Creeper

Practice Squad
Here is one man's thinking on the COVID vaccines. I agree with some, disagree with some, but it is an overall good piece on why the vaccines should be personal choice and the government should stop the vaccine shaming.

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

After reading this article two things became very apparent to me. 1. There is no trust in the media anymore. 2. There is diminishing trust in the scientific community as well. Whether this lack of trust is right or wrong is not the issue, the fact that so much distrust exists is a big problem. If Dr. Anthony Fauci have accomplished anything in the last year, it is to help sow the seeds of doubt among many Americans who see him as political and an opportunist. He has been wrong, and at times ridiculous.

Remember when Fauci claimed the hydroxychoroquine should not be used to tread COVID because all we had was "anecdotal" evidence that it worked? Remember how Democrat governors moved to make it illegal for doctors to prescribe HCQ for COVID patients because some claimed HCQ was dangerous? No one in the media stopped for a second to look at the facts, like HCQ has been prescribed to hundreds of millions of patients worldwide for other ailments and the safety of the drug was not in question. They let Fauci and others get way with this lie just because Trump said HCQ might be promising. Yet here we are with Fauci pushing the vaccines with the same kind of anecdotal evidence. The fact is, we have no idea what the longer term effects will be from getting these vaccines. When politics in injected into science, science dies and politics takes over.

I will add one other point. There seems to be this rush to get to the point where the government can say that the vaccines have been made available to every person in the country. Of course this is a trick. What they mean is they will open it up to all people regardless of age, medical conditions or occupation. This does not mean we will have enough doses for every person, or the ability to administer those doses. It is another lie for political purposes. In my state, many people over 65 have still be unable to get vaccinated because it is almost a full time job attempting to find an appointment slot and getting the vaccine scheduled. Yet the governor expanded eligibility to those 55 and over, and also included additional occupations. IN a couple of weeks he will open the vaccine up to everyone else, well before the new groups made eligible will have a chance to be vaccinated. He will do it only to help Biden meet his promise. But it is total BS. The rollout in my state has been a farce.
 

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Defense Wins Championships
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Dodger12

Super Moderator
Here is one man's thinking on the COVID vaccines. I agree with some, disagree with some, but it is an overall good piece on why the vaccines should be personal choice and the government should stop the vaccine shaming.

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

After reading this article two things became very apparent to me. 1. There is no trust in the media anymore. 2. There is diminishing trust in the scientific community as well. Whether this lack of trust is right or wrong is not the issue, the fact that so much distrust exists is a big problem. If Dr. Anthony Fauci have accomplished anything in the last year, it is to help sow the seeds of doubt among many Americans who see him as political and an opportunist. He has been wrong, and at times ridiculous.

Remember when Fauci claimed the hydroxychoroquine should not be used to tread COVID because all we had was "anecdotal" evidence that it worked? Remember how Democrat governors moved to make it illegal for doctors to prescribe HCQ for COVID patients because some claimed HCQ was dangerous? No one in the media stopped for a second to look at the facts, like HCQ has been prescribed to hundreds of millions of patients worldwide for other ailments and the safety of the drug was not in question. They let Fauci and others get way with this lie just because Trump said HCQ might be promising. Yet here we are with Fauci pushing the vaccines with the same kind of anecdotal evidence. The fact is, we have no idea what the longer term effects will be from getting these vaccines. When politics in injected into science, science dies and politics takes over.

I will add one other point. There seems to be this rush to get to the point where the government can say that the vaccines have been made available to every person in the country. Of course this is a trick. What they mean is they will open it up to all people regardless of age, medical conditions or occupation. This does not mean we will have enough doses for every person, or the ability to administer those doses. It is another lie for political purposes. In my state, many people over 65 have still be unable to get vaccinated because it is almost a full time job attempting to find an appointment slot and getting the vaccine scheduled. Yet the governor expanded eligibility to those 55 and over, and also included additional occupations. IN a couple of weeks he will open the vaccine up to everyone else, well before the new groups made eligible will have a chance to be vaccinated. He will do it only to help Biden meet his promise. But it is total BS. The rollout in my state has been a farce.

I'm on the fence about the vaccine. I've been scheduled to take it in a couple of weeks but not sure I will until I walk in and physically have it administered. They have politicized this thing so much that I don't know what's real, I don't know what's safe and I don't know what's effective. As more people got tested, we saw that the survival rate of Covid was pretty high. This whole damn thing has been politicized and even if we take the vaccine, they still want us to wear masks. The whole things just smells to high heaven.

And I said at the start of this that Fauci was a government bureaucrat and a fraud. He should have been fired from day 1 and replaced. He's the type of fraud that has sat in DC most of his adult life and got paid by the government tit without any idea of what the world was like outside the beltway. This man has almost singlehandedly been used to destroy the country and the economy. I absolutely despise him and people like him.
 

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Defense Wins Championships
I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now, and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out, and rip your mask off, and yell “I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!”

 

Creeper

Practice Squad
I'm on the fence about the vaccine. I've been scheduled to take it in a couple of weeks but not sure I will until I walk in and physically have it administered. They have politicized this thing so much that I don't know what's real, I don't know what's safe and I don't know what's effective. As more people got tested, we saw that the survival rate of Covid was pretty high. This whole damn thing has been politicized and even if we take the vaccine, they still want us to wear masks. The whole things just smells to high heaven.

And I said at the start of this that Fauci was a government bureaucrat and a fraud. He should have been fired from day 1 and replaced. He's the type of fraud that has sat in DC most of his adult life and got paid by the government tit without any idea of what the world was like outside the beltway. This man has almost singlehandedly been used to destroy the country and the economy. I absolutely despise him and people like him.

I am like you, brother. I could have scheduled a few times but when it comes to clicking the "Schedule" button I always stop. It is not the needle. As a diabetic, I get blood drawn with bigger needles all the time. But something inside me tells me to wait a little longer. I do not take drugs, drink, smoke or otherwise put toxic stuff in my body. I get how the mRNA is supposed to work, but I am a little concerned about long term effects. I think a lot of the short term side effects are not necessarily the vaccine itself. People passing out, and convulsing, etc. that stuff happens when people get needles. A lot of it is psychological. The next day side effects are a little alarming but tolerable - if the vaccine actually works. Of course, the J&J vaccine has been halted in my state so we'll see what happens with that one.

The problem is the inconsistencies in the stories. The vaccine works, but you have to still wear a mask. The vaccine works but you can test positive for CV anyway. The other day Jim Jordan grilled Fauci about what is the number he is looking for before we can go back to normal and Fauci refused to provide even a range. It sounded like he was hesitant to open the country ever or drop the mask mandates. So is he uncertain about the vaccines? The other day the CEO of Pfizer said it may required a 3rd booster shot and an annual shot of the Pfizer vaccine to maintain immunity. So now we are talking about long term effects of multiple vaccinations. And none of these vaccines have been given approval by the FDA other than on an emergency basis.

The media is useless these days. They censor news all the time now and are basically driving their own agenda. The more I read about the vaccines the more clear it becomes everyone has their own motives and the science seems to be taking a back seat. At some point I will probably get the vaccine. My doctor literally scolded me when I saw him last for not having gotten the vaccine already. I am of the nature that when someone is pushing a sale too hard, walk away. And that is how I feel about the vaccine now.
 

Dodger12

Super Moderator
Fuck Bill Maher. He's just another shill. He just can't say Republican governors were right without insulting them. He just can't say the left has been wrong and lying to the people without insulting the right. And no matter how wrong the left is or how much they destroy the country, shills like him will never vote conservative or Republican. Party and ideology is always first, country comes somewhere else down the list of priorities. That's why they're radicals.
 

Creeper

Practice Squad
Some facts about COVID 19. Since Joe Biden took office in January, 160,465 Americans have died of COVID-19. That is 27% of all COVID deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. 22% of all new cases have been reported in the same time period. Keep in mind, vaccinations started before Biden took office and the treatments for COVID have improved dramatically since last summer when COVID ravaged the country. In other words, the Biden administration has done no better than the Trump administration at controlling the virus, even with a vaccine. Yet, you don't hear the media say much about it. The take-away? The virus is going to do what it does which is spread. Even in India where the managed to escape the massive outbreaks one would expect in a country of over 1 billion people, the virus is catching up now and overwhelming the health care system in that country.

The point is, and it is a point we all need to face, is lockdowns only delay the inevitable. As soon as countries open up and return to normal, the virus takes off again. With vaccine manufacturers announcing annual vaccination shots may be required, we can look forward to annual outbreaks of the virus. With each wave of vaccinations the percentage of the population turning out for the vaccines will decrease. We may as well get on with it.
 

Creeper

Practice Squad
Bill Maher gives his take on Medical Spin...


Maher makes a point of talking about politicizing the facts when it comes to COVID by politicizing the COVID facts.

He makes the statement that thousands of Americans died because of Trump's incompetence but provides no facts to back up his false statement. Now, we know that Cuomo and other Democrat governors ordered COVID positive patients into nursing homes and we know that thousands of elderly died because of this decision. The Trump administration guidance on this decision was not followed by any of these states. Here is a fact the media, or Bill Maher, will not report. The top 3 states in per capita deaths from COVID are New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts, all 3 sent COVID positive patients into nursing homes. Coincidence?

The top 3 states account for 10.6% of the population but 16% of the deaths. Normalize the numbers and those 3 states appear responsible for an extra 33,000 deaths, "from incompetence".

The US is not the worst country in the world for COVID deaths. Among major western countries we are about average. But we also approached the pandemic state by state rather than federal mandates. It is the nature of our country and our people. I believe the US also overreported COVID deaths and cases compared to other countries. I have no proof of this but statistically, the US appears worse than countries that took fewer measures to stop the spread of the virus. Luck? or are some countries reporting differently?

In any case, Maher is right that the pandemic was politicized from the beginning. The bans on HydroxyChloroquine, for example, were completely political, unscientific, and possibly resulted in many unnecessary deaths.

Oh, and not that it has to be said, but Trump never suggested anyone ingest Clorox or Chlorine. And for Maher and his lemming followers, chlorine is naturally a gas - it boils at -29 degrees F. When you apply Clorox to a surface the Chlorine evaporates very quickly. Spraying fruit may seem stupid, but it is also harmless if you wipe off the excess chemicals in the disinfectant spray. Someone should tell Maher, most water supplies in the U.S. are treated with Chlorine to purify the water of harmful bacteria, like e coli. I bet Maher uses Chlorine compounds in his swimming pool too. And btw, humans are treated with far deadlier chemicals when they undergo treatments for cancers. Of course the quantities of these chemicals are measured to ensure they do not cause death or destruction of normal tissues. Bladder cancer patients are often treated with a form of tuberculosis bacteria which is injected into the bladder to incite the patients immune system to attack the bacteria and also the cancer cells. Yeah, sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.

So if he wants us to tell the truth and stick to science, maybe he should drop the politics too.
 

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Defense Wins Championships
Merriam Webster is having to play catch-up...

Here is the old definition of vaccine:

noun
vac·cine | \ vak-ˈsēn , ˈvak-ˌsēn \
Collegiate Definition
: a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease


And here is the new one:

Definition of vaccine
: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious disease:
a: an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see ATTENUATED sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)
b: a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)
 

cml750

Facepalm
I refuse to volunteer to be a long term test subject for these brand new technology vaccines that were developed very quickly skipping the normal approval process. Even if I catch the virus I have VERY close to a 100% of survival. The way they are pushing these untested vaccines makes me wonder if there is not a bigger agenda behind them.

I was asked this morning if I could go to Connecticut in December to help audit one of our sites. I told them I would be glad to as long as they let me fly without the vaccine. If they make the stupid vaccine passport mandatory my flying days are over.
 

Doomsday

High Plains Drifter
quickly skipping the normal approval process.
So... Not enough big government involvement. Not enough bloat and red tape. Damn that Trump using his bully pulpit to bypass the egghead bureaucrats in the swamp! Can't trust the government because there was not enough government. The vaccines and their quick development and authorization for emergency use were Gawd's Gift and Trump was amazing for his ability to prod the fat bloated swamp to life to finally get something done. Until Biden won.

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Creeper

Practice Squad
I refuse to volunteer to be a long term test subject for these brand new technology vaccines that were developed very quickly skipping the normal approval process. Even if I catch the virus I have VERY close to a 100% of survival. The way they are pushing these untested vaccines makes me wonder if there is not a bigger agenda behind them.

I was asked this morning if I could go to Connecticut in December to help audit one of our sites. I told them I would be glad to as long as they let me fly without the vaccine. If they make the stupid vaccine passport mandatory my flying days are over.

I completely understand although I am really struggling with the decision to get vaccinated. My circumstances are different though. I am retired and I don't have to go anywhere I can't get to in my car. But I also have diabetes, Afib, moderate kidney disease, and I had a bout with cancer a little under 3 years ago. My doctor scolds me for not having gotten vaccinated already, although I refuse to spend days trying to find an appointment get get the shot. It is worse than getting a weekend tee time at one of our county golf courses!

But here is my struggle, am I resistant because they are pushing so hard? There is as much false information about the dangers of the vaccines as there is coming from the opposite side. The messages are confusing. "The vaccine works" but "if you are vaccinated you still need to wear a mask because you can transmit the virus to others". Plus, the government refuses to say how many people must be vaccinated before they will remove the mask mandates. There is good reason not to trust Fauci and others in the government when it comes to the vaccines. There is good reason not to trust the vaccine makers as well, billions of doses annually paid for by insurance companies and the government. It is a waterfall of income that will be there for many years.

I believe the vaccines are safe in the short term. All vaccines have short terms side effects for some people. So far, over 134 million Americans have received at least 1 does of the vaccine. 79 million are fully vaccinated. Unless someone is hiding deadly effects of the vaccine, which would be very hard to do, we have to assume it is safe, at least for the first 4 months. But, we do not know the long term effects. Any opinions on this are speculation. But we are destined to find out. The CEO of Pfizer is saying we may need a 3rd shot and then annual boosters. What are the long term effects of being dosed annually? My philosophy is not to take any medications longer than I have to or where the consequences of the drug are worse than the disease. My kidney disease may very well be the result of taking a blood pressure medication I was given to preserve my kidneys because I have diabetes! Think about that for a minute.

In any case, despite all this issues I have with the vaccines, and I am not anti-vax, I have to consider my pre-existing conditions and the consequences of contracting COVID. It is a tough decision for me. I don't want to but I have to consider what is best for myself given my conditions. The one thing I do have going for me is I am not obese and I workout regularly. I am stalling for as long as I can just in case some new information about the vaccines turns up.

One other note, I did get the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976. After I got my shot, the government halted the vaccine program because 1, that's ONE, person died and 5 others developed Guillain-Barre syndrome. Add that to the factors in making the decision.
 

cml750

Facepalm
So... Not enough big government involvement. Not enough bloat and red tape. Damn that Trump using his bully pulpit to bypass the egghead bureaucrats in the swamp! Can't trust the government because there was not enough government. The vaccines and their quick development and authorization for emergency use were Gawd's Gift and Trump was amazing for his ability to prod the fat bloated swamp to life to finally get something done. Until Biden won.

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I have never been for an untested rushed vaccine. I have a bad feeling Trump is going to regret his part in it.
 

Creeper

Practice Squad
COVID immunity is long lasting, says the NIH.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

So now comes the million dollar question(s). If patients who have recovered from COVID have long lasting immunity, at least 8 months according to this study, then why are they being asked to get vaccinated when the vaccines are thought to only provide immunity for about the same time period? Why are recovered COVID patients asked to wear masks?

The facts are these, it is clear from all the data we have including over 125 million cases of COVID infection and recovery, that people are immune to the disease once they have had it and that immunity lasts at least a year. We know this because the percentage of reinfections is only .27% and well within the rage of error for even the most accurate COVID tests. If this was not the case we would be seeing a wave of reinfections all over the world. We are not seeing this at all.

Why is the government pushing the vaccine on people who do not need it? The answer is, the government is claiming "we don't know how long immunity from COVID lasts". But they do know it lasts as long as the vaccine is effective, maybe even longer. The CEO of Pfizer stated just over a week ago that after the 1st two shots, people might need a booster 8 months later, then an annual booster after that. In other words, they suspect immunity from the vaccine, may not last as long as natural immunity!

What people should know is the vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, use messenger RNA to "teach" cells to produce an anti-body that attacks the spike protein that coronavirus uses to gain entry into the cells where it can reproduce. The J7J vaccine uses a different technique, but the goal is the same, to develop antibodies that attack the spike protein. If you get infected by coronavirus, your body responds by developing anti-bodies that also attack the coronavirus spike protein. The long shot of all this is the vaccine immunity lasts longer or is stronger than the immunity developed by the natural response of the human immune system to an infection.

I am not trying to get all sciency here, I am trying to understand why the government is saying what they are saying and doing what they are doing. If the vaccines work, then the vaccinate should be able to take off their masks, so should people who are fully recovered. In fact, an incentive to get people to get vaccinated would be that after they are vaccinated they can take off the masks. Instead, the government is offering no such deal. They are saying continue to wear the masks even after you are fully immune. They make no sense, are causing confusion, and also they are creating distrust and resistance to the vaccines.
 

dbair1967

Administrator
So there's a pic I saw today on FB that shows President Assclown in a Zoom meeting with other world leaders about global warming b/s. He's the only idiot wearing a fucking mask (yes, in the Zoom meeting) and he's the only one who doesn't have his country's flag in the background.

Then there's a pic where one of the networks is having a 1 on 1 interview in a room with the fucktard VP, and the two of them are sitting what looks like at least 20 yards from each other.
 

Creeper

Practice Squad
So there's a pic I saw today on FB that shows President Assclown in a Zoom meeting with other world leaders about global warming b/s. He's the only idiot wearing a fucking mask (yes, in the Zoom meeting) and he's the only one who doesn't have his country's flag in the background.

Then there's a pic where one of the networks is having a 1 on 1 interview in a room with the fucktard VP, and the two of them are sitting what looks like at least 20 yards from each other.

Between Biden and AOC, you have to wonder what the hell is wrong with this country? These two together couldn't muster enough brain cells to tie a shoe lace. It is embarrassing.
 
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