Cowboys lose 10 million in cap space UPDATE x4: NFL's statement post #226

[VA Cowboy]

What do uncapped season mean?

@DCStarJEllis
If I may summon the words of Darren Hambrick ... What do uncapped mean? Having trouble wrapping my head around this deal.

Josh?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Goodell is the worst commissioner, and the Giants are the worst super bowl winner ever.

Only some blind fools would even try to argue otherwise, especially on the Giants thing.

Only a blind fool would argue on the Jerry thing either.

 

[dbair1967]

Only a blind fool would argue on the Jerry thing either.

I've never argued one way or another on him...I dont think he's as bad as some of you make him out to be, nor do I think he's "good"

My opinion has been he has very little to do with anything since he hired Parcells...he'll nod his head and make some broken sentences about stuff in front of the camera, but somewhere in the offices there other people are telling him what they want done

He's not a real GM

 

[Midswat]

Cowboys' statement: "The Dallas Cowboys were in compliance with all league salary cap rules during the uncapped year. We look forward to the start of free agency period...our commitment to improving our team remains unchanged."

 

[CowboysRMX]

They can split over two seasons. Take out most in 2013 when dallas would have a shitload of cap duh. Not the end of the world.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I've never argued one way or another on him...I dont think he's as bad as some of you make him out to be, nor do I think he's "good"

My opinion has been he has very little to do with anything since he hired Parcells...he'll nod his head and make some broken sentences about stuff in front of the camera, but somewhere in the offices there other people are telling him what they want done

He's not a real GM

Hos alt?

 

[Cr122]

According to NFL Network's Michael Lombardi even with the split the Cowboys will have a hard time signing Nicks.

Look for them to add a corner and or safety in free agency.

 

[CowboysRMX]

Why is everybody so strung on a nicks? Hes a guard hell even big nate thoight dallas paying high for a guard was stupid

 

[Everlastingxxx]

In an official team statement, defiant Cowboys say they complied by league rules in 2010

Here is a statement from the Cowboys spokesman Rich Dalrymple on the $10 million cap hit imposed by the league for taking advantage of the uncapped year:

"The Dallas Cowboys were in compliance with all league salary cap rules during the uncapped year. We look forward to the start of the free agency period where our commitment to improving our team remains unchanged."

The Cowboys clearly have no regrets and believe they did nothing wrong.

Clarence Hill

Read more here: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.co...ed-by-league-rules-in-2010.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Hoofbite]

Good post, Hoofbite. Now I am just more pissed off.

The more I look it over the more pissed I am getting at both sides. Jerry and the league.

The league for basically throwing out cap hits to whoever they think deserves them and Jerry for basically explicitly writing a contract that pissed in the face of the collective decision.

I'm trying to think of what the league is seeing between contracts.

With Schaub, I guess the contract was written enough years prior to 2010 that they can't realistically punish them for a contract going on it's 4th year. Maybe the Texans played it smart and figured Matt would either be worth the money at that point and they wouldn't feel bad paying it if a new CBA was ratified prior to that year. I dunno.

No doubt the Chiefs used the uncapped year to their advantage. They paid 18M up front in year one and 17M up front in year two likely planning on converting that money to it's guaranteed form and spreading that 2nd year 17M across the rest of the contract in the event that a new CBA was ratified before 2010. The guy didn't get a signing bonus it looks like so they probably told him that he'd get guaranteed 17M under a new CBA and basically guaranteed 17M (unless he was severely injured I guess) under an expired CBA. Maybe the league thought they took a big enough cap fucking in 2009 so they didn't mind the 17M in free space in 2010 which seems like bullshit. I guess if you take that 36M and spread it over the course of his 1st three seasons, his total cap hit comes out to 24M in a equal allocation setup, so maybe the Chiefs skated by with 7M less million in their minds. I dunno.

Peppers contract is fucking ridiculous. The only way I could see them not being concerned is because Peppers still accounts for like top 10 (2011) and top 20 (2012) NFL player. Maybe they think if you count for as much against the cap as the rest of the guys on your level that you haven't really gamed the system because your salary cap allocation is on par with other players. That can be my only reasoning. Of course, that in itself is bullshit because without that 34M in free cap space money they spent to get him, who the hell knows where he signs so the end result is getting an elite player by having magic numbers.

Crabtree, Jennings and Peters all signed in 2009 and while I think they had their contracts written to be both friend in a CBA situation, they were definitely written to be especially nice without a CBA. Also, from what I have pieced together from what Adam has posted, I think contracts that fall within a 50% reduction in cap hit comply somehow. Don't quote me on it but I saw something like that floating around out there.

That would also make Vanden Bosch's contract "okay". As well as Evans as their cap numbers didn't decline by more than 50% from one season to the next.

Guess that leaves Picket which an argument can be made that they structured it in a way that they might have structured it without an expired CBA.

Whatever the reasons, it's fucking obvious it happened across the league. I guess it comes down to the college kids and weed smoking argument. Everyone know's you are doing it and it's only a problem if you are stupid enough to get caught red handed.

Jerry got caught because he wrote that contract with full intent of fucking the cap.

Austin got like 57M and not a single drop was signing bonus. Think about that. When's the last time Jerry signed a guy to a contract like that without handing out a single dime in signing bonus money?

Ware got 20M
Romo 12M
Newman 12M
Witten 6M
Ratliff 8M
Free 10M

Barber 12M
Roy 11M

So, his cap hit was essentially his base salaries.

2010: 17M
2011: 8.5M
2012: 1.15M

So in 2010 Dallas was given a free 17M dollar pass on Austin which may have been cool. He might have been safe in doing that, maybe.

But, in 2011 he took Austin's 8.5M base salary and converted it to bonus money that was spread out across the rest of the contract.

That put Austin's base salary at the vet min (I'm guessing) of 685K for 2012. You subtract the vet minimum from the rest of his scheduled base salary and Austin's "new signing bonus" comes out to 1.57M per season that you tack on to his base salary.

On top of that, Austin's 2012 base salary is slated at 1.15M

That puts his overall cap cap for the first 3 years of the contract at.

2010: 17M (Didn't Count)

2011: 685K Base + 1.57M Bonus = 2.255M

2012: 1.15M Base + 1.57M Bonus = 2.72M

What's the going rate for a guy coming off a season like 2009 season?

In 2011, the top 10 WR cap hits averaged 8.8M

In 2012, the top 10 WR cap hits will average over 10M. And I excluded Megatron from that because his 21M number is fucking insanely high compared to all others.

So, over the course of 2011 and 2012 when Dallas was only getting hit for a total of 4.95M in cap space to have the services of Austin, the total cap space taken by the average of the top 10 WRs was almost 19.1M.

Jerry wrote that contract fully intending to slime out a shit ton of cap space. The uncapped season started on March 5th I believe and Jerry didn't sign Austin until September. 6 months after the uncapped year began.

The situation is stupid because other teams did it as well, they just disguised it better. Jerry flat out waved a flag saying, "go fuck yourself".

He might have gotten away with it had he not opted for that 2012 cap status. Just got too fucking greedy.

 

[cmd34]

The Cowboys clearly have no regrets and believe they did nothing wrong.

nor should they. The League approved the contracts.

 

[Hoofbite]

The Cowboys clearly have no regrets and believe they did nothing wrong.

nor should they. The League approved the contracts.

I'm not sure the league approving them is all that crucial.

Austin's cap hit would have been 8.5M in 2011 if they hand't converted it to a bonus and spread it across the remainder of the contract.

I really think Dallas would have been okay if they hadn't double-dipped by writing the contract heavily up front and then reducing the cap number the following year to provide them with 2 cap-pass years for a guy of Austin's caliber.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here's another aspect on the league approval.

If the league doesn't approve of the contracts during a labor dispute, the fuck themselves.

Good luck fighting an antitrust lawsuit while publicly refusing to sign off on a contract.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I've never argued one way or another on him...I dont think he's as bad as some of you make him out to be, nor do I think he's "good"

My opinion has been he has very little to do with anything since he hired Parcells...he'll nod his head and make some broken sentences about stuff in front of the camera, but somewhere in the offices there other people are telling him what they want done

He's not a real GM

lol

Thanks for the input, Hos.

 

[UVAwahoos]

They didn't do a damn thing wrong. The owners having an agreement to limit spending in an uncapped year is actually collusion.

Dallas should appeal and sue immediately and go forward with signing anyone and everyone planned.

Show me a written law or rule that a lawyer would be able to use as support. All they have are some owners whining behind the scenes about our spending. If this goes to court, those owners will more than likely not want to be exposed and this whole thing will just be settled.

I would bury Oakland, NO, Green Bay, Houston and anyone else who front-loaded their contracts.

These guys are just going after Jerrah and Snyder cuz they're the most embarrassing owners in the league. Leave us the hell alone, asshole.

 

[UVAwahoos]

For example, I go by the name "dbair1967" on that racist, homophobe dude's website.

 

[dbair1967]

lol

Thanks for the input, Hos.

Your welcome, dick

 

[UVAwahoos]

He might have gotten away with it had it not been for...

 

[VA Cowboy]

Your welcome, dick

penis envy?

 

[VA Cowboy]

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For example, I go by the name "dbair1967" on that racist, homophobe dude's website.

lol