Pressure breaks pipes

[NoShame]

Lets try the complete team approach instead of relying on one guy to take us to the SB.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Good point. Romo is not able to carry a team like the elite QBs. Fans would hate to see Romo leave, but they should remember what Kitna did while filling in for Romo. Kitna won games.

This is dumb. Where's Kitna at now? I rest my case. Yeah let's dump on Romo, the guy who nearly threw for 5,000 yards and for 28 TDs. It's his fault.

And when has either Brady, both Mannings, and Rodgers carried a team BY THEMSELVES to a Super Bowl win?

Romo is not the answer to carry this team to the Super Bowl. He folds under pressure.

No Oline, no running game, no defense, and an HC/playcaller is clueless... I think any QB would "fold" under that pressure.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Lets try the complete team approach instead of relying on one guy to take us to the SB.

One better. A team approach, along with a better playcaller.

 

[jnday]

This is dumb. Where's Kitna at now? I rest my case. Yeah let's dump on Romo, the guy who nearly threw for 5,000 yards and for 28 TDs. It's his fault.

And when has either Brady, both Mannings, and Rodgers carried a team BY THEMSELVES to a Super Bowl win?




No Oline, no running game, no defense, and an HC/playcaller is clueless... I think any QB would "fold" under that pressure.

Dumb huh? Romo is 1-6 in these big games IIRC. You don't see a trend? Do you really believe in Romo 100%? If you don't see a problem, you are blind and your fandom is clouding your reasoning.

 

[dbair1967]

One better. A team approach, along with a better playcaller.

Playcaller wont make any difference in eliminating Romo's stupid decisions/poor throws.

 

[junk]

Playcaller wont make any difference in eliminating Romo's stupid decisions/poor throws.

I agree, but I think good coaching can limit the amount of bone headed plays from Romo. Don't pile the entire offense on Tony. Basically, that is the Cowboys offense now.....whatever Romo can create. No running game, idiot WRs like KO and an offensive playcaller that is inconsistent at best.

The best coaches will tweak their game plan to fit the talent on their roster. I'm not sure I see that from Garrett. I think he just says "This is my offense, now go run it". In both Redskins games, I have watched a play and said "Wow, that was a pretty creative play design". I'm not sure I've ever said that regarding a Garrett play. Also, look at how the Redskins isolated Ware in space time and time again. Neutralizing one of the opposing team's best players by attacking him and continuing to attack something that you've identified as a weakness. Has Garrett ever done that?

 

[Dodger12]

The best coaches will tweak their game plan to fit the talent on their roster. I'm not sure I see that from Garrett. I think he just says "This is my offense, now go run it". In both Redskins games, I have watched a play and said "Wow, that was a pretty creative play design". I'm not sure I've ever said that regarding a Garrett play. Also, look at how the Redskins isolated Ware in space time and time again. Neutralizing one of the opposing team's best players by attacking him and continuing to attack something that you've identified as a weakness. Has Garrett ever done that?

Good observation Junk. is there anything about our offense or game plan that screams "innovative"? You just knew that Haslett was going to school Garrett. Our offense revolves around Romo's ability to overcome Garrett's putrid play calling, game management and what the defense throws at him.

One thing I wonder is where the screen went. When Payton/Sparano were here, we seemed to use it quite a bit, especially with Julius Jones and later with Felix. Hell, isn't that why JG wanted Felix as his change of pace back?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Playcaller wont make any difference in eliminating Romo's stupid decisions/poor throws.

Sure it would. If Romo wouldn't have to fucking play from behind so much and try to take the game over, thiose mistakes would cut down. But how about we get a competant playcaller FIRST and then make that assessment. We have an idiot on 2nd and 1 or 3rd 1, opts to call a 20+ yard pass play, instead of either running the ball or rollout or something simple to just get the 1 YARD NEEDED for the first down and continue drives.

Romo has thrown for nearly 5,000 yards and 28 TDs.
We nearly had 3 receivers with 1,000 yards each and they combined for 21 TDs.

AND YET... we can only get 8 wins. Do you know how many points we fucking averaged in the first half of each game? 8 FUCKING POINTS FOR ONE HALF. We should be averaging that per quarter, but it takes us AN ENTIRE HALF just to get 8 points. Only one time this year did we score more than 10 points in the first half.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Good observation Junk. is there anything about our offense or game plan that screams "innovative"? You just knew that Haslett was going to school Garrett. Our offense revolves around Romo's ability to overcome Garrett's putrid play calling, game management and what the defense throws at him.

It's 2nd and 1, but Garrett will call a pass play that has ROmo throwing the ball 20+ yards down the field.

It's 3rd and 1 FOOT (half a yard), instead of having Romo fall forward, and getting the easy and automatic first down... Garrett wants to call some stupid trick play OR hand off to the RB that is nearly 4 yards back, so instead of it being 3rd and a FOOT, it becomes 3rd and 4 yards, and the RB is forced to run into a bunched LOS. Seriously, how many times have you seen Garrett call a QB sneak? I can only recall one.

One thing I wonder is where the screen went. When Payton/Sparano were here, we seemed to use it quite a bit, especially with Julius Jones and later with Felix. Hell, isn't that why JG wanted Felix as his change of pace back?

What happened to a fucking hot read to Miles coming from the slot on a slant pattern? That's where Miles is most dangerous at. That's where he breaks most of his tackles.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Playcaller wont make any difference in eliminating Romo's stupid decisions/poor throws.

More proof that you're a complete moron.

You have hated on the way Parcells coached that Seattle game for years now. Washington has a shitty/depleted defense too, and Romo kinda fucked it all up. Parcells knew EXACTLY what he could get out of Romo (on the road in a hostile environment), and he didn't ask for any more. That's the difference between great coaching, and the shit that we have now.

Parcells left a huge and very accurate list of things for Romo to work on, and I doubt that anyone has helped to improve Tony's game since that day back in 2006. I sure as fuck know that Wade Wilson is not doing a damn thing. I doubt ginger learned much sage advice and wisdom from coaching Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon either. This is why I'd like to see a professional-caliber coaching staff brought in before any major personnel decisions are made here.

 

[Hoofbite]

The Vikings ran that exact same play against Green Bay. I guess scoring that TD to Peterson was retarded.

Please tell me you aren't talking about the goal line play where a QB running the ball is an actual threat.

 

[dbair1967]

Please tell me you aren't talking about the goal line play where a QB running the ball is an actual threat.

I'm talking about the playaction fake to Peterson, he follows Peterson left and then throws the ball to him, wide open in the endzone

Its the exact same call we ran, except the other way.

 

[dbair1967]

More proof that you're a complete moron.

You have hated on the way Parcells coached that Seattle game for years now. Washington has a shitty/depleted defense too, and Romo kinda fucked it all up. Parcells knew EXACTLY what he could get out of Romo (on the road in a hostile environment), and he didn't ask for any more. That's the difference between great coaching, and the shit that we have now.

Parcells left a huge and very accurate list of things for Romo to work on, and I doubt that anyone has helped to improve Tony's game since that day back in 2006. I sure as fuck know that Wade Wilson is not doing a damn thing. I doubt ginger learned much sage advice and wisdom from coaching Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon either. This is why I'd like to see a professional-caliber coaching staff brought in before any major personnel decisions are made here.

There's nothing anyone can do to correct Romo's major flaw Wahoo, sorry to burst your bubble.

And yeah, that game plan vs Seattle in 2006 was one of the worst ever concocted. It should have been the final straw for anyone viewing that Parcells was 100% washed up as a HC.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm talking about the playaction fake to Peterson, he follows Peterson left and then throws the ball to him, wide open in the endzone

Its the exact same call we ran, except the other way.

Yes it was a goal line play.

Would you advocate for goal line formations from midfield on first down?

 

[bbgun]

lol

The resident Romo lovers have Garrett (and only Garrett) in the crosshairs. Whodathunkit?

 

[superpunk]

lol

The resident Romo lovers have Garrett (and only Garrett) in the crosshairs. Whodathunkit?

That's not accurate but you have to look at almost the entire rest of the team before you look at Romo.

Look at the teams surrounding us in the statistical categories that most correlate to winning in the NFL.

Passer rating allowed - we are bottom five. The others? NO, OAK, PHI, KC. One team with a losing record (and only halfway decent because their QB, who also threw a shitton of picks, carried them to it). The rest is the top 3 picks in the draft this upcoming season.

Passer rating - we are in the 5-10 range (9 overall) - Of those top 10 squads, only two missed the playoffs. Can we guess who they were? Again - New Orleans and Dallas. Is there anyone saying Drew Brees is New Orleans biggest problem? Would they be idiots if they were? Absofuckinlutely.

Rushing correlates less to winning but we were next to last in the league in rushing offense. The bottom 5 - oh look, it's oakland, jax and arizona with Atlanta thrown in.

It's not that Romo is perfect, he's just about last on the list of things that need fixed with this team. If you get a performance from your QB of the caliber we got from Romo this season and that NO got from Brees, you should stand a very good chance of making the playoffs. After all 80% of those teams did this season. Why didn't we? Because the rest of our team was absolutely dreadful. And if we HADN'T had Romo, with the company we are keeping statistically, chances are that we would have had a top 5 pick in the draft.

 

[UVAwahoos]

lol

The resident Romo lovers have Garrett (and only Garrett) in the crosshairs. Whodathunkit?

That's just where the topic of the thread turned. If you can't see that this team has more gaping issues across multiple units, then you need new bifocals, old man.

That being said, it's telling that NO dropped from 13 wins to less than 8 without their coach. That kinda stuff (sane head coaching) tends to help in the NFL.

 

[bbgun]

That's not accurate but you have to look at almost the entire rest of the team before you look at Romo.

Look at the teams surrounding us in the statistical categories that most correlate to winning in the NFL.

Passer rating allowed - we are bottom five. The others? NO, OAK, PHI, KC. One team with a losing record (and only halfway decent because their QB, who also threw a shitton of picks, carried them to it). The rest is the top 3 picks in the draft this upcoming season.

Passer rating - we are in the 5-10 range (9 overall) - Of those top 10 squads, only two missed the playoffs. Can we guess who they were? Again - New Orleans and Dallas. Is there anyone saying Drew Brees is New Orleans biggest problem? Would they be idiots if they were? Absofuckinlutely.

Rushing correlates less to winning but we were next to last in the league in rushing offense. The bottom 5 - oh look, it's oakland, jax and arizona with Atlanta thrown in.

It's not that Romo is perfect, he's just about last on the list of things that need fixed with this team. If you get a performance from your QB of the caliber we got from Romo this season and that NO got from Brees, you should stand a very good chance of making the playoffs. After all 80% of those teams did this season. Why didn't we? Because the rest of our team was absolutely dreadful. And if we HADN'T had Romo, with the company we are keeping statistically, chances are that we would have had a top 5 pick in the draft.

Stop with the Brees comparisons. He has many more post-season wins than Tony plus a ring. And he didn't get that ring by handing off to a dominant RB or playing super-conservative like a latter day Dilfer.

Tony is a regular season rotisserie guy who fills seats. That's it. Dave Winfield's disparaging nickname was Mr. May, because the closer he got to the playoffs, the worse he performed. In that sense, Tony is Mr. November. Or, if you will, the Barry Sanders of QB's -- all flash and stats but few team accomplishments. Every year, tons of teams without Tony on their roster somehow manage to survive, win playoff games and a championship, yet to us he's indispensable? Ridiculous. Unlike these other teams, we just don't have the balls or the scouting expertise to move on. I don't give a shit what our record would have been without him because any team would sorely miss their veteran starting QB. The fact that Romo could win more reg season games than Orton does not make Tony championship material, however. With him it's psychological, not physical, which is why "improving the team around him" is a futile strategy. Romo is not a serious-minded person. He's an aw shucks goofball whose lackadaisical personality will be his undoing ... and ours.

 

[superpunk]

The Brees comparison was extremely appropriate for this season because he and Romo were the only two QBs to perform at such a high level and still miss the playoffs.

The reason why is obvious, even though you want to ignore it and talk about Dave Winfield.

In addition, Brees is one of the few QBs who has had to deal with similarly poor performing defenses in terms of QB ratings - his haven't been as low as Romo's but they've been middling. The one outlier is that in 2009 Brees' defense produced the third best DQBR in the league. What happened then? Oh, they won the super bowl.

This isn't hard to understand.

 

[UVAwahoos]

31 other teams, bro.


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