NFL Preseason Week 3: Minnesota @ Dallas

Doomsday

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Why do you have to be so dramatic and over the top? I don’t know Mo personally. I don’t know if he is dumb or not. Some people aren’t book smart. I have seen his interviews, he is somewhat well spoken. He is a good kid and he has fought his ass off to get back onto the field. I don’t think he has been healthy or played enough to evaluate him completely.
Not sure what you think was dramatic or over the top about it, he's demonstrably DUMB and gets torched on a regular basis because of it.
I think a lot of you guys are devaluing Scandrick.
Again, I saw posted here recently a stat showing Scandrick and Claiborne giving up QB ratings exceeding 100 when thrown at. Of course to be fair this was all happening completely minus anything resembling a pass rush. But still. EDIT - My mistake. Scandrick isn't mentioned in the post I am talking about, which is here:
@adamlevitan: With Scandrick done, DAL to start Brandon Carr & Mo Claiborne at CB. Opposing QBs had 116.6 rating when targeting BC & 121.5 at MC in 2014.

I like Scandrick and as I have said here too, it's a big loss for Dallas having him gone for the season.
 

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Secondary depth is different then CB depth. Our safeties be dragging us down.
Yeah I understand that but I'm not talking about the depth, I am saying our secondary is suspect and it's a fact. No matter the reason.
 

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He was playing Will last night, and some might remember I proposed that over the summer, saying Lee might make a good Will instead of Mike, and maybe stay healthy that way. Of course, I was lambasted and called nuts as usual but here we are. Lee is your Will.

What?? GTFOH, we were all well aware of the position switch at the beginning of the offseason.

We gave you shit because you suggested moving Sean Lee to strong safety. *** 2015 Cowboys Training Camp Thread *** - Page 11
 

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So you mean we don't count our last 3 DL drafted in the last 3 years? What kinda bullshit is that?

By all means count them and then tell me where our drafting has been so good lately that we have all this depth. You're in luck though, at least on the DL. Even if you've lost 2 fingers in an industrial accident, you still have enough fingers left to tally up our DL depth that we drafted.
 

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Why don't you just enlighten me with all this drafting prowess and deep roster. I'll wait.

We'd probably be just as well served by having you tell us who you think the good/quality football players on this team are.

Hint- they weren't all first round picks
 

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We'd probably be just as well served by having you tell us who you think the good/quality football players on this team are.

Hint- they weren't all first round picks

Why are moving the goal posts? Of course we have some quality football players. So does every other team in the NFL. But that wasn't the issue or the topic of discussion. So lets get back to your initial post which was in response to my comment about the "myth" of our improved drafting relative to the supposed depth on this team.

Its not atrocious everywhere. We appear to be quite deep on the DL and pretty good at LB. I think the CB situation is good even w/o Scandrick. We are deep at G on the OL and have a good situation at TE and RB. Our top 3 at WR are as good as any team's in football.

Where we are in trouble is backup QB, backup T and safety, unless they decide to move Byron Jones permanently to safety.

I'll ask again, how are we deep at DL? Since 2000, we've drafted Sean Lissimore (2010, 7th round), no DL in 2011, Crawford (2012, 3rd round), no DL in 2013, DLaw (2014, 2nd round), Gardener (2014, 7th round), Bishop (2014, 7th round), Gregory (2015, 2nd round), Ryan Russell (2015, 5th round).

We have Crawford, DLaw and Gregory in terms of draft picks that good give us solid reps. The guy that we're pinning some of our hopes on, Greg Hardy, was drafted in the 6th round of the 2010 draft, the same year we took Lissimore one round later and he's no longer here. Hayden, Bishop, Gardener, Terrell McClain, Ryan Russell and Jack Crawford round out the line. Can you honestly tell me that you see quality depth there? Other than Hardy, there's not an established guy in the mix unless you want to argue for Crawford and McClain.

Pretty good at LBer? We've got Lee from 2010, along with Bruce Carter (2011, 2nd round), Kyle Wilbur (2012, 4th round), Caleb McSurdy (2012, 7th round), DeVonte Holloman (2013, 6th round), Hitchens (2014, 4th round), Will Smith (2014, 7th round), Damien Wilson (2015, 4th round) and Mark Nzeocha (who???? 2015, 7th round). Besides Lee, the guy that brought some nasty to the LB core was a guy that lost his passion for the game. In other words, the one guy besides Lee that stood out at LB was a cast off. Hitchens is a decent back-up simply because of his versatility but he's far from a "wow" type player. The guy was one non-call away from being last season's goat. Jasper Brinkly has been passed arouond more than a call girl in Vegas and Andrew Gashkar was given a 2 year 5 million dollar contract to play special teams. I mean, where's the depth? Out of all the Lber's we've drafted, we needed to sign other team's late round cast-offs like Brinkly and Gashkar and a question mark in Ro McClain. The hell with depth....we don't even know who the starters are besides Lee.

As for tight ends and having a good situation there, can you honestly tell me that Escobar has been worth a 2nd round pick? And we decide to trade a 6th rounder next year to draft Swain something like 10 spots from the last pick in the draft? I mean, WTF?
 

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And we decide to trade a 6th rounder next year to draft Swain something like 10 spots from the last pick in the draft? I mean, WTF?

this way we have exclusive negotiating rights! we're super smart!!! :facepalm
 

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Yeah, I'm more with Dodger. This defense was bad last year, and we're counting on Hardy and rookie Gregory to fix it all. We gain Sean Lee -- for now -- but McClain was a big part of last year's defense being decent, and who knows if he'll even play this year.

Point is, Hardy and Gregory didn't take any scouting prowess to evaluate them. Everyone knew they were talented. We got them because they had big time off-field issues and we were willing to take a chance on them where others weren't. About the only "finds" we've had in a while are Crawford and I guess to some extent Hitchens, though I'm not sold on how good he is.

Also semi-related side note, I think it's funny that on certain boards with the initials of C and Z, the argument was to draft offense over and over and over because you were so much better off being elite on one side of the ball and average on the other. But now they claim we couldn't possibly have been expected to be any good overall during the 8-8 years no matter how much Pro Bowl talent we had on offense was because our D was so bad.
 
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How common is it in today's NFL for a team to have quality depth across all or almost all positions?
 

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I think both of you (Dodger and TE) are wrong, certainly entitled to your opinions (just like me)

Will elaborate later when I get off work.
 

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What?? GTFOH, we were all well aware of the position switch at the beginning of the offseason.

We gave you shit because you suggested moving Sean Lee to strong safety. *** 2015 Cowboys Training Camp Thread *** - Page 11
No Man, wrong thread. That was way after I'd suggested moving Lee to Will, to possibly save his health. I was told he is too slow for Will, and etc. And no one at that time said anything at all about being aware of some announced position switch. In fact this thread is the first I've heard of it too.

Nobody really gave me any "shit" over moving Lee to SS, in fact the reaction was quite tame. And even at that, no valid reason was given why it wouldn't be a good idea. He could be a thumper back there.
 

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I don't know how you could have missed it. It was all over the place that we would be at Will this year.
No telling. First I've heard of it and sure don't remember seeing anything about it here.
 

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No Man, wrong thread. That was way after I'd suggested moving Lee to Will, to possibly save his health. I was told he is too slow for Will, and etc. And no one at that time said anything at all about being aware of some announced position switch. In fact this thread is the first I've heard of it too.

Nobody really gave me any "shit" over moving Lee to SS, in fact the reaction was quite tame. And even at that, no valid reason was given why it wouldn't be a good idea. He could be a thumper back there.

Ok Doomsday, moving Lee to Will was totally your idea.
 

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Ok Doomsday, moving Lee to Will was totally your idea.
Evidently not, and sure my memory has been known to be fallible. I googled it, and it looks like this was announced right around the middle of April, and I suggested it to much lambasting somewhere around mid February, if memory serves.

Which, maybe it doesn't.

But for sure, I never saw anything about it being official, here on the DCU or anywhere else. It's a good move IMO and might help Lee keep off IR. We just need him on the field, even if it is Sam, Will or SS.
 
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There were posts on this forum speculating about Lee moving to Will before we were done in the playoffs. I know Mr. Po and CMD suggested it in early January.
 
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