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Quite the 180 with that 3rd round pick. Almost like they were so content with how the 1st 2 rounds played out for them that they let Tom Cicowski close out the night. I can imagine him stumbling in with his prepared notes as I type this.
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The Chaz Green pick was hardly the worst anyone did tonight, there were guys picked earlier who we're at least as much of a reach, if not more so than Green if you go off draft publications and i'net rankings.
In fact it seemed to me that this yr more than most there were more of these types of picks than normal. I think it also shows that internet or newsstand draft rankings are nothing like teams' real life boards. There are a lot of guys still available that all us internet forum draft experts thought would be long gone by now.
In fact it seemed to me that this yr more than most there were more of these types of picks than normal. I think it also shows that internet or newsstand draft rankings are nothing like teams' real life boards. There are a lot of guys still available that all us internet forum draft experts thought would be long gone by now.
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Dallas Cowboys
Draft pick: CB Byron Jones(No. 27 overall), DE Randy Gregory (No. 60 overall), OLChaz Green (No. 91 overall)
Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: A+
Overall grade: A
The skinny: The star of the NFLScouting Combine jumped from under-the-radar prospect to first-round pick after testing well and showing scouts he could cover better than everyone thought. Jones fills a huge need on the Cowboys' defense, and his versatility will allow him to play a number of spots in the secondary. On Day 2, the Cowboys got a top-10 talent at pick No. 60 in Gregory -- obviously, a tremendous value at a big area of need. If the team can get a good support system in place, Gregory could be the steal of the draft a few years from now. Green fills a void along the line and can play multiple spots, but whether he can stay healthy is a question.
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Draft pick: CB Byron Jones(No. 27 overall), DE Randy Gregory (No. 60 overall), OLChaz Green (No. 91 overall)
Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: A+
Overall grade: A
The skinny: The star of the NFLScouting Combine jumped from under-the-radar prospect to first-round pick after testing well and showing scouts he could cover better than everyone thought. Jones fills a huge need on the Cowboys' defense, and his versatility will allow him to play a number of spots in the secondary. On Day 2, the Cowboys got a top-10 talent at pick No. 60 in Gregory -- obviously, a tremendous value at a big area of need. If the team can get a good support system in place, Gregory could be the steal of the draft a few years from now. Green fills a void along the line and can play multiple spots, but whether he can stay healthy is a question.
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Must be grooming him to take over for Free eventually. You don't draft a swing tackle in the 3rd. Free was taken in the 4th himself.
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Great. The Cowboys are going to draft Rudy.
Two non-Cowboys thoughts.....
1. Said it earlier, but I'm so happy the Giants passed on Gurley. To think we could've had to face an AP like back twice a year for the next 7-10 years would've sucked. Kind of odd that they did to, considering their recent efforts to shore their run game, taking David Wilson in the first a few years ago and cycling through a number of backs the past few years.
2. Imagine if the Redskins looked at our OL and decided to fight fire with fire, and build their DL. Hindsight, sure, but they literally could've walked away from this draft with Leonard Williams and Randy Gregory. Wow.
1. Said it earlier, but I'm so happy the Giants passed on Gurley. To think we could've had to face an AP like back twice a year for the next 7-10 years would've sucked. Kind of odd that they did to, considering their recent efforts to shore their run game, taking David Wilson in the first a few years ago and cycling through a number of backs the past few years.
2. Imagine if the Redskins looked at our OL and decided to fight fire with fire, and build their DL. Hindsight, sure, but they literally could've walked away from this draft with Leonard Williams and Randy Gregory. Wow.
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Sigh.
Rob Rangs things to watch for day three:
Here is what to watch for:
5. DTs Jarrett, Bennett will be among first 10 players selected Saturday
Given the value of interior pass rushers, I'm surprised that Clemson's Grady Jarrett and Ohio State's Michael Bennett remain on the board. Though neither possesses ideal size, each offers quickness, balance and closing speed to split gaps, as well as enough power to hold up at the point of attack.
4. Cowboys will draft Tony Romo's heir apparent
Last year, the Patriots selected Jimmy Garopollo in the second round. This year, the New Orleans Saints selected Garrett Grayson to back up Drew Brees. With Dallas filling their primary needs at cornerback, pass rusher and depth along the offensive line in the first couple of rounds and the running back depth extending throughout Day Three, don't put it past Jerry Jones to gamble on the upside of UCLA's Brett Hundley or Baylor's Bryce Petty as a developmental prospect behind 35 year-old Tony Romo.
3. Browns will actually select a wide receiver
While virtually every other team in the NFL realizes that to win in today's game, one needs to actually throw the football, the Cleveland Browns appear determined to ignore the wide receiver position entirely. Other than the pick of since-suspended wideout Josh Gordon in the 2012 supplemental draft, the Browns have now made 22 consecutive selections without drafting a single wide receiver. That wouldn't be quite so odd if we weren't in the midst of two of the more talented receiver classes in recent league history and that Cleveland has, frankly, been terrible in the passing game. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the players that general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine selected both this year (and last, for that matter) but veteran additions Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline aren't scaring opposing defenses. If the Browns refuse to draft a receiver, perhaps the club will instead look to draft a punter, as the club could be facing more than its share of three runs and a change of position yet again in 2015.
2. Five more Seminoles will be drafted, setting record
Six former Florida State players -- including, of course, quarterback Jameis Winston -- have been selected over the first 99 picks of the 2015 draft but don't think the run on Seminoles is close to being finished. In fact, if the five remaining Florida State prospects that NFLDraftScout.com gave draftable grades to are indeed selected on Day Three, the Seminoles will overtake Miami (2002-2004) and Southern Cal (2008-2010) as producing more draft picks over a three-year span (28) than any college team in modern history. Offensive linemen Tre' Jackson, Josue Matias and Bobby Hart, as well as running back Karlos Williams, wideout Rashad Greene and tight end Nick O'Leary are among FSU's remaining draftable prospects.
1. Your time is coming Jay Ajayi, T.J. Clemmings and La'el Collins
As NFLDraftScout.com reported weeks ago, teams were scared of medical concerns that popped up during combine evaluations of the Boise State running back and Pittsburgh offensive tackle but don't expect Ajayi or Clemmings to drop indefinitely. The fifth round is when players with medical concerns have often been selected in the past and that is likely to occur again this year with these top-50 talents. By now, you've heard about the tragic story with Collins. While teams are understandably hesitant to invest a draft pick in a player with so much uncertainty surrounding him, Collins' talent is too significant for him to fall out of the draft entirely. If nothing else, expect a club with one of the final picks of the seventh round to pick Collins if only to hold his rights in the hope that his legal issues are resolved.
Here is what to watch for:
5. DTs Jarrett, Bennett will be among first 10 players selected Saturday
Given the value of interior pass rushers, I'm surprised that Clemson's Grady Jarrett and Ohio State's Michael Bennett remain on the board. Though neither possesses ideal size, each offers quickness, balance and closing speed to split gaps, as well as enough power to hold up at the point of attack.
4. Cowboys will draft Tony Romo's heir apparent
Last year, the Patriots selected Jimmy Garopollo in the second round. This year, the New Orleans Saints selected Garrett Grayson to back up Drew Brees. With Dallas filling their primary needs at cornerback, pass rusher and depth along the offensive line in the first couple of rounds and the running back depth extending throughout Day Three, don't put it past Jerry Jones to gamble on the upside of UCLA's Brett Hundley or Baylor's Bryce Petty as a developmental prospect behind 35 year-old Tony Romo.
3. Browns will actually select a wide receiver
While virtually every other team in the NFL realizes that to win in today's game, one needs to actually throw the football, the Cleveland Browns appear determined to ignore the wide receiver position entirely. Other than the pick of since-suspended wideout Josh Gordon in the 2012 supplemental draft, the Browns have now made 22 consecutive selections without drafting a single wide receiver. That wouldn't be quite so odd if we weren't in the midst of two of the more talented receiver classes in recent league history and that Cleveland has, frankly, been terrible in the passing game. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the players that general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine selected both this year (and last, for that matter) but veteran additions Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline aren't scaring opposing defenses. If the Browns refuse to draft a receiver, perhaps the club will instead look to draft a punter, as the club could be facing more than its share of three runs and a change of position yet again in 2015.
2. Five more Seminoles will be drafted, setting record
Six former Florida State players -- including, of course, quarterback Jameis Winston -- have been selected over the first 99 picks of the 2015 draft but don't think the run on Seminoles is close to being finished. In fact, if the five remaining Florida State prospects that NFLDraftScout.com gave draftable grades to are indeed selected on Day Three, the Seminoles will overtake Miami (2002-2004) and Southern Cal (2008-2010) as producing more draft picks over a three-year span (28) than any college team in modern history. Offensive linemen Tre' Jackson, Josue Matias and Bobby Hart, as well as running back Karlos Williams, wideout Rashad Greene and tight end Nick O'Leary are among FSU's remaining draftable prospects.
1. Your time is coming Jay Ajayi, T.J. Clemmings and La'el Collins
As NFLDraftScout.com reported weeks ago, teams were scared of medical concerns that popped up during combine evaluations of the Boise State running back and Pittsburgh offensive tackle but don't expect Ajayi or Clemmings to drop indefinitely. The fifth round is when players with medical concerns have often been selected in the past and that is likely to occur again this year with these top-50 talents. By now, you've heard about the tragic story with Collins. While teams are understandably hesitant to invest a draft pick in a player with so much uncertainty surrounding him, Collins' talent is too significant for him to fall out of the draft entirely. If nothing else, expect a club with one of the final picks of the seventh round to pick Collins if only to hold his rights in the hope that his legal issues are resolved.
1. Michael Bennett, DE, Ohio State
He understands proper technique and excels at timing the ball off the snap. Bennett was extremely productive for the Buckeyes and showcases savvy in beating offensive linemen. He uses his hands well, but sometimes relies on them too much. Though Bennett appeared to take some plays off, he could blossom into a productive pass rusher if he works in the weight room, and if he can refine his pass rushing repertoire.
2. Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor
He has the size and arm coaches want in a quarterback. What Petty doesn't have is experience in a traditional NFL offense. Consider this: the first time Petty stepped into a huddle and called a play was in the Senior Bowl. He's a project, but if he can take to NFL coaching, Petty has the competitiveness needed to be a quarterback in the NFL.
3. Grady Jarrett, NT, Clemson
If he were a few inches taller and maybe a little heavier, Jarrett (6-1, 304) might have been a consideration for a late first-round grade. But his lack of size is something that his coaches will have to live with. What Jarrett does have is an explosive first step and an understanding of what he needs to do to beat offensive linemen with leverage and effort.
4. Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State
You can argue that the value of running backs is decreasing in the NFL. But one thing that's certain is that the ones that are the most sought after are the ones with versatile skill sets. Ajayi is a player who can be effective running the ball, or catching it out of the backfield. He also performs well in pass protection, but needs to correct a fumble issue at the next level.
5. T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
He has ideal size for the position and possesses the athleticism that had some projecting Clemmings as a possible first-round selection. A foot injury created concern and could be the primary reason to explain his slide. He displays above average explosion and competitiveness, but the former D-lineman is relatively inexperienced at the position and needs to be coached up at the next level.
6. Kwon Alexander, LB, LSU
He's extremely athletic, understands his role and is known for being good in the locker room. One thing that might scare teams off is his lack of weight (227 pounds), but he was very productive in college. Alexander, at the very least, should be an instant contributor on special teams.
7. Tre' Jackson, G, Florida State
With plenty of experience in a pro-style offense, he could eventually earn consistent playing time. To do that, he'll have to spend some time in the weight room to increase his strength. But Jackson is an aggressive player who fits naturally as a guard at the next level and has potential to eventually become an NFL starter.
8. Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA
He has the physical tools you want in a quarterback. But the big question is whether he can become a consistent passer in the pocket. Another thing he'll have to do better is executing his progressions, especially when facing pressure. Still, with a very strong arm and plenty of athleticism, Hundley is a project worth exploring.
9. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon
If not for a serious knee injury suffered before the Rose Bowl, Ekpre-Olomu definitely would have been off the board by now. Chances are, he starts his rookie season on the PUP list. But Ekpre-Olomu is a natural athlete with above-average instincts at the position. He's physical and — once healthy — could earn playing time by starting on special teams.
10. Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State
One thing coaches will love is his versatility given Greene's ability to play in the slot or outside. He doesn't have optimal size (5-11, 182), but Greene is athletic enough to contribute right away with crisp routes and moves needed to beat cornerbacks. He's competitive and has played big college games. Another thing coaches will love: He typically shines when the pressure is on.
He understands proper technique and excels at timing the ball off the snap. Bennett was extremely productive for the Buckeyes and showcases savvy in beating offensive linemen. He uses his hands well, but sometimes relies on them too much. Though Bennett appeared to take some plays off, he could blossom into a productive pass rusher if he works in the weight room, and if he can refine his pass rushing repertoire.
2. Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor
He has the size and arm coaches want in a quarterback. What Petty doesn't have is experience in a traditional NFL offense. Consider this: the first time Petty stepped into a huddle and called a play was in the Senior Bowl. He's a project, but if he can take to NFL coaching, Petty has the competitiveness needed to be a quarterback in the NFL.
3. Grady Jarrett, NT, Clemson
If he were a few inches taller and maybe a little heavier, Jarrett (6-1, 304) might have been a consideration for a late first-round grade. But his lack of size is something that his coaches will have to live with. What Jarrett does have is an explosive first step and an understanding of what he needs to do to beat offensive linemen with leverage and effort.
4. Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State
You can argue that the value of running backs is decreasing in the NFL. But one thing that's certain is that the ones that are the most sought after are the ones with versatile skill sets. Ajayi is a player who can be effective running the ball, or catching it out of the backfield. He also performs well in pass protection, but needs to correct a fumble issue at the next level.
5. T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
He has ideal size for the position and possesses the athleticism that had some projecting Clemmings as a possible first-round selection. A foot injury created concern and could be the primary reason to explain his slide. He displays above average explosion and competitiveness, but the former D-lineman is relatively inexperienced at the position and needs to be coached up at the next level.
6. Kwon Alexander, LB, LSU
He's extremely athletic, understands his role and is known for being good in the locker room. One thing that might scare teams off is his lack of weight (227 pounds), but he was very productive in college. Alexander, at the very least, should be an instant contributor on special teams.
7. Tre' Jackson, G, Florida State
With plenty of experience in a pro-style offense, he could eventually earn consistent playing time. To do that, he'll have to spend some time in the weight room to increase his strength. But Jackson is an aggressive player who fits naturally as a guard at the next level and has potential to eventually become an NFL starter.
8. Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA
He has the physical tools you want in a quarterback. But the big question is whether he can become a consistent passer in the pocket. Another thing he'll have to do better is executing his progressions, especially when facing pressure. Still, with a very strong arm and plenty of athleticism, Hundley is a project worth exploring.
9. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon
If not for a serious knee injury suffered before the Rose Bowl, Ekpre-Olomu definitely would have been off the board by now. Chances are, he starts his rookie season on the PUP list. But Ekpre-Olomu is a natural athlete with above-average instincts at the position. He's physical and — once healthy — could earn playing time by starting on special teams.
10. Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State
One thing coaches will love is his versatility given Greene's ability to play in the slot or outside. He doesn't have optimal size (5-11, 182), but Greene is athletic enough to contribute right away with crisp routes and moves needed to beat cornerbacks. He's competitive and has played big college games. Another thing coaches will love: He typically shines when the pressure is on.
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I think Gregory was a pure Jerry or Stephen over-rule. Jason's insistence that players be versatile: good at two or more things but not great at one, allows him to convince Jerry that any pick made in versatility is justified. Chaz Green would have been available later as an OT, but saying that they are getting a player who can play anywhere in the O-line makes him like 3 players in one. Suddenly Jerry cannot resist. Pollack would technically be happier than Linehan if this were about the team running the ball. It's not. This guy is a tall, long armed tackle who is going to reduce the pass blocking weakness of Free that may have taken away from passing play calls.
Guessing the next pick is as simple as this: find the next available player at DB, ILB, FB or WR whose is known for several characteristics and/or positions rather than just being known for one great one.
That's why Gregory was pure Old Jerry...thankfully.
Guessing the next pick is as simple as this: find the next available player at DB, ILB, FB or WR whose is known for several characteristics and/or positions rather than just being known for one great one.
That's why Gregory was pure Old Jerry...thankfully.
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How much better are we all feeling about yesterday if the Chaz Green pick was Paul Dawson, Michael Bennett, or T.J. Clemmings?
I would be giving us the highest A+ I could have imagined.
I would be giving us the highest A+ I could have imagined.