Archer: Cowboys face steep price to keep OL together

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Cowboys will face steep price to keep line together in the future

10:55 PM ET
Todd Archer
ESPN Staff Writer

IRVING, Texas -- The Dallas Cowboys are expected to be spectators when free-agent signings begin but they will be interested spectators because of the ramifications.

The Cowboys possess one of the best offensive lines in football with Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zack Martin having made the Pro Bowl in each of the past two seasons. They also added a first-round talent in La'el Collins as an undrafted free agent. They have a dependable veteran at right tackle in Doug Free.

The Cowboys hope the line will be able to grow together over the years but what is expected to happen starting today could greatly affect those plans.

The Oakland Raiders are expected to sign Baltimore Ravens guard Kelechi Osemele to a reported five-year, $60 million deal, although it is possible he could play tackle. Center Alex Mack voided his deal with the Cleveland Browns and could earn $10 million a year, perhaps from the Atlanta Falcons.

The Cowboys were able to sign Smith, their first-rounder in 2011, to an eight-year extension worth nearly $100 million, which many consider to be team friendly.

Frederick, their first-round pick in 2013, will have his fifth-year option for 2017 picked up this spring. Per rules of the collective bargaining agreement, the Cowboys can seek a long-term deal with Frederick starting now but there will be no rush to get a deal done.

The Cowboys hold Martin's rights through 2018 but cannot talk about a long-term deal with him until after the 2016 season.

The Cowboys would have to be awfully fortunate to keep all three offensive lineman under contract past 2017, especially with Tony Romo counting $24.7 million and $25.2 million under the cap in 2017 and '18.

Smith's contract made him the highest paid left tackle at the time. Given the inflation that could be set on the prices for guards and centers in the coming days, it is difficult to see the Cowboys being able to set the market for a center and guard in successive years even with a rising salary cap.

The Cowboys have been rightfully proud of how they built the line through the draft. They have scored big hits on Smith, Frederick and Martin.

Smith is the best young tackle in the game and he is about to enter his sixth season. Frederick has proved those who doubted him as being worthy of the 31st pick in 2013 wrong and solidified the Cowboys up the middle. Martin has the makings of the best guard in football for years to come.

One of the NFL's adages is that you can't pay everybody.

As the Cowboys watch the cash that will be flung around now, they will be thinking of how that will affect them in the future.

It's just another reason why the Cowboys have to think about winning now instead of worrying later.
 

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hey guys, we cant sign people because the O Line is good and will need new contracts down the road.


sorry about the whole not winning thing. just know that when Quinthy Hutchinson is sick of being a Triple A shortstop and wants to give football a try, we'll have a really good o line to protect him.
 

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This is one of the reasons why it is very possible that we take a QB at 4 this year. If we do then he can sit behind Romo for two years and learn. Then let Tony go after the 2017 season and we have three years to figure out if that guy is worth the big money. And that way we could afford to keep the O line together.

That would be the smart thing to do.

Which is why we will not do it.
 

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That would be the smart thing to do.

Which is why we will not do it.

lol, I feel ya, we're all so beaten down as Cowboy fans, only made worse by the fact there is not a damn thing we can do about it
 

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If we do then he can sit behind Romo for two years and learn.
Then leave, like Osweiler.
That would be the smart thing to do.
Defense is the problem. Far and above any other consideration. We cannot rush the QB, can't get sacks, can't tackle, can't cover. You have Romo at his very best and healthiest, you're still a 8-8 team because you can't stop anyone. Taking a QB at #4 in this draft would be a mistake.
 

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Then leave, like Osweiler.
Defense is the problem. Far and above any other consideration. We cannot rush the QB, can't get sacks, can't tackle, can't cover. You have Romo at his very best and healthiest, you're still a 8-8 team because you can't stop anyone. Taking a QB at #4 in this draft would be a mistake.
Sign Hardy. Get a nasty DT in the draft and a good CB and this D would be a lot better. You can do all that and still draft a QB at #4.
Hardy, Crawford, New DT, Lawrence and you got a very good to maybe really good DL. With Scandrick back and Jones and just one more Quality CB then the D will be good enough.
 

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With Scandrick back and Jones and just one more Quality CB then the D will be good enough.
With a effective pass rush, almost any secondary improves.

Get rid of Claiborne and Scandrick and I might stop calling our secondary the "Legion of Boobs."

If you draft a QB at #4 he is your guy NOW not 3-4 years down the road.
Get a nasty DT in the draft
Right, at #4.
 

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Then leave, like Osweiler.
Defense is the problem. Far and above any other consideration. We cannot rush the QB, can't get sacks, can't tackle, can't cover. You have Romo at his very best and healthiest, you're still a 8-8 team because you can't stop anyone. Taking a QB at #4 in this draft would be a mistake.

This defense needs a star in the worst way. Sign me up for Jack or Ramsey over any QB in this draft any day of the week.
 

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I know I'm in the minority here because it's not sexy and most noob fans geek out expecting to sign every big name free agent every fuckin year.. But I'm glad we're being mindful of the big contracts we'll have to shell out to them in a couole years. I'd be pissed if we gotta let Martin walk because we made some average to good player that another team is letting hit FA the richest at his position.

This was a piss poor free agency class no need to jump in on all the day 1 craziness at risk of the future of this oline.
 

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Then leave, like Osweiler.

Highly doubtful. If we take a QB at 4, he's signed for 5 yrs. He'll be on the field regularly way before then and if he's decent at all, there's no way we don't keep him.

Defense is the problem. Far and above any other consideration. We cannot rush the QB, can't get sacks, can't tackle, can't cover. You have Romo at his very best and healthiest, you're still a 8-8 team because you can't stop anyone. Taking a QB at #4 in this draft would be a mistake.

Its a problem, but the fragile 36 yr old starting QB is the biggest problem and one that potentially can be solved for a decade by taking a QB. Taking one guy on defense at 4 isn't going to fix the entire defense.

There's is nothing more important than the QB position.
 

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This defense needs a star in the worst way. Sign me up for Jack or Ramsey over any QB in this draft any day of the week.

I just think this kind of thinking is exactly what's gotten us in trouble for two decades. This isn't a shot at you personally, but this is exactly how Jerry's mind is probably working and why we are potentially doomed to an after-Troy like demise again unless we do something proactive.
 

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I know I'm in the minority here because it's not sexy and most noob fans geek out expecting to sign every big name free agent every fuckin year.. But I'm glad we're being mindful of the big contracts we'll have to shell out to them in a couole years. I'd be pissed if we gotta let Martin walk because we made some average to good player that another team is letting hit FA the richest at his position.

This was a piss poor free agency class no need to jump in on all the day 1 craziness at risk of the future of this oline.

Yeah the contracts given out yesterday were just ridiculous.
 

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That Vernon contract is the worst I can remember. Guy has NEVER been to a Pro Bowl and we know how easy that is to get into anymore; had 7.5 sacks last year with Suh to take up so much attention; and gets THIS kind of money?
 
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hey guys, we cant sign people because the O Line is good and will need new contracts down the road.


sorry about the whole not winning thing. just know that when Quinthy Hutchinson is sick of being a Triple A shortstop and wants to give football a try, we'll have a really good o line to protect him.

Every year we have people at the zone telling us we can do whatever we want in free agency. I guess we don't want to do anything this year. I thought the Cowboys would at least make one signing of significance yesterday. Jerry is determined to feed us another shit burger in 2016. I put the upper limit at 6-10 for next season.
 

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hey guys, we cant sign people because the O Line is good and will need new contracts down the road.
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I get what you are saying, but it is a fact that new deals for Frederick, Martin and Collins have to be priorities. We cant let these guys leave. We invested 1st rd picks into Martin and Fred and got damn lucky to get Collins for basically nothing (draft pick and pay). letting them leave because they cant afford them is not only losing a great player, but the pick we invested to originally get them. Its an absolute must to get a 2nd contract with those guys, barring catastrophic injury.

Look at some of the contracts a couple of those jag OL's got yesterday. Some nobody from the Texans got something like 8 mils a yr to sign with Philly, guy probably isn't half the play Martin or Collins are. What do you think it will take to keep these guys?
 

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2015 - Frederick $2,185,918 cap hit - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin $2,445,763 cap hit - Collins $533,750 cap hit - Free $5,500,000 cap hit
2016 - Frederick FA - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin $2,853,390 cap hit - Collins $623,750 cap hit - Free $6,500,000 cap hit
2017 - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin *Cowboys hold 5th year option - Collins * Restricted free agent - Free FA
2018 - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin FA - Collins FA
2019 - Smith $12,000,000 cap hit
2020 - Smith $10,000,000 cap hit
2021 - Smith $10,500,000 cap hit
2022 - Smith $13,500,000 cap hit
2023 - Smith $13,600,000 cap hit

I think we'll be fine. Free's contract ends before we have to give Martin a raise. 2018 we will pay Martin and Collins. Smith's contract was designed to restructure (see how the cap hits go down after 2018? leaving room for additional bonuses).
 

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2015 - Frederick $2,185,918 cap hit - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin $2,445,763 cap hit - Collins $533,750 cap hit - Free $5,500,000 cap hit
2016 - Frederick FA - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin $2,853,390 cap hit - Collins $623,750 cap hit - Free $6,500,000 cap hit
2017 - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin *Cowboys hold 5th year option - Collins * Restricted free agent - Free FA
2018 - Smith $14,000,000 cap hit (will restructure) - Martin FA - Collins FA
2019 - Smith $12,000,000 cap hit
2020 - Smith $10,000,000 cap hit
2021 - Smith $10,500,000 cap hit
2022 - Smith $13,500,000 cap hit
2023 - Smith $13,600,000 cap hit

I think we'll be fine. Free's contract ends before we have to give Martin a raise. 2018 we will pay Martin and Collins. Smith's contract was designed to restructure (see how the cap hits go down after 2018? leaving room for additional bonuses).

His cap hit goes down because you're limited to 5 seasons when prorating bonus money. Of course it would go down in year 6 of a contract, there's no signing bonus money left and the restructure they did last year ends in 2019. Not design, but just how it pretty much has to be.
 

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We will keep this OL together, minus Free of course.

Hey Hoofbite my old mate, you probably don't remember me from the old DCFU days
 
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