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if the offense remains predictable and thus inept by going 3 and out with such regularity, we will still have the same problems.
That's the other side of the "get sacks and turnovers, play fewer snaps" pancake - if the D doesn't score themselves with the turnovers, the O will be punting the ball right back to the opponent 3 plays later, typically. Same with sacks - they don't really help all that much when we're punting the ball right back to them three plays later.

2014 was the exception to this for the most part. With near league-leading 3rd down conversion rate due to successful and persistent running attack, the defense enjoyed the fruits of its turnover and sack successes - played a lot fewer snaps.

The good teams score points off turnovers. The mediocre ones typically don't, as much.
 
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BS. I(f the boys consider this a poor draft then they just might think that trading back is the best thing rather than overspend on a player by cap money. That is something way too many forget; if you think this is a poor draft at the top then spending cap money there is not a good idea.
So if everyone subscribes to your opinion of how bad this draft is, then no one is going to pay extra picks to move up to 4 right? Then if we can't move down, we have to draft someone at 4 right? You're acting like taking anyone there will be a wasted pick, but we may not have any choice.
 

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So if everyone subscribes to your opinion of how bad this draft is, then no one is going to pay extra picks to move up to 4 right? Then if we can't move down, we have to draft someone at 4 right? You're acting like taking anyone there will be a wasted pick, but we may not have any choice.

We might have to swallow it. Sometimes happens. Every time I hear someone say 'oh we can just trade down' I want to bitch slap them. It takes TWO to make a trade.
 

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Yep. He's not worth the #4 pick, anymore Greg Ellis was worth the #8 pick. He's not a difference maker. Fact is... we can draft blue chip defensive players, but if the offense remains predictable and thus inept by going 3 and out with such regularity, we will still have the same problems.

You need to back and review that 98 draft, especially the top couple rounds
 

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So Quincy Carter scored higher than Peyton And Aikman? And Ryan Leaf scored higher than Farve? Even scarier is that Eli out scored everyone!

I'm not sure how much stock I put in this test any longer

But it was interesting to learn that it was Landry that brought it to the NFL. Thanks for posting this Dooms
 
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I'm not sure how much stock I put in this test any longer
It's not a genius detector, it is a dumb detector. The three times I had to take it the score was always in the 40s. It doesn't measure what you know or really intelligence per se, it measures more about your approach to problem solving, will you waste time on BS, and how you respond to the same actual problem presented in wildly different ways. It also measures effort, which lack thereof is one way you get the single digit scores. (The other way is, the test subject is just, dumb.) It's not the be all end all of personality testing, it's just a pair of pliers in the toolbox.
 

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well you are too lazy and too scared to do any actual searching since it most likely will prove you wrong in many areas

LOL

OK- I think its better that I just follow your lead, make up outlandish shit and throw it out there.
 

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Sturm on Dak Prescott:

I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State - 6'2, 230 - RS Senior - #15

With each passing week, word gets louder and louder to all that follow the Cowboys that we better get familiar with all of the 2nd tier QB talent in this draft.  The price at the very top is very high (also the product is very impressive), and given what we know about this front office, there is a very high chance that they will scratch that "win now" itch at #4 overall, and therefore dive into the murky waters of trying to find a future starting QB outside of their top 2 picks. 

This seems to agree with what the fans want - just go pick up that future #1 in Round 3 or 4 - and load up on guys who will be instant starters in the top 2 rounds.  Unfortunately, reality bites.  And Reality tells us that teams that try to find their QBs after Round 2 (or even the top few picks of Round 2) have a snowball's chance in Hades of actually finding that guy.  Oh, sure, there is the occasional Russell Wilson and the even more occasional Tom Brady, but the odds of finding your 5-year starting QB after pick #40 drops quickly to about a 1-in-25 shot.  After Round 3, it drops to about 1-in-50.  And to find a Brady or even a Tony Romo where they were found is pretty much the same odds as Leicester City winning it all.  It may happen, but it surely should not be expected.

Regardless, let's examine those QBs who might be the fall-back plan after the shiny models are off the board in Round 1.  Dak Prescott is one of the most appealing of Tier 2 for a number of reasons - He has massive amounts of big-time experience where he won a lot of games, played in a lot of big games, and noticeably improved along the way.  He is a true dual-threat QB who appears to have some very appealing mental-processing traits in his approach to QB.  He looks like he might be the coveted "maestro" who can go to his 3rd option on a play with smooth transitions.  On top of this, he possesses passing and running capabilities that serve him well in addition to toughness and leadership traits that are coveted.  In other words, while he has some negatives, there are enough positives that this player might not even get to Round 3.

What I liked:  He is a very confident player in his system at Miss State where he would use multi-layered reads to find the open man for many productive years.  He was generally using a series of shorter throws (less than 10 yards) to free up the occasional downhill toss when coverage takes a wrong step.  He has no problem with velocity as his fastball zips to all spots with force, and in the pocket he has the ability to keep plays alive.  On 3rd down or in short yardage, he moves the chains on his own and certainly affects the numbers a defense deploys which frees up opportunities to the edges.  He makes quick decisions and goes through his progressions with ease and when he gets in a groove it becomes quite frustrating to defend him.  On the move, especially to his left, he looks really comfortable and is able to make the defense make a decision which he then adjusts to declare it incorrect.  I like his sandlot skills when the play breaks down.  He excels in this 2nd portion of a play.  His willingness to take a hit to deliver a throw is yet another attribute coaches admire.

What I did not like:  Whenever a QB plays in a zone-read that has a series of either/or decisions, a defense can jam him up by playing disciplined and staying at home to "do their job".  It is worth noting that against the better opponents on his 2015 slate, this seemed to really slow down Prescott's arsenal and he ended up looking pretty ordinary.  He also has bouts with mechanics and accuracy that causes him to miss badly on occasion - sometimes down the field where there is a rare opportunity.  He also is not ultra-elusive in the backfield.  He can be a threat with his legs moving forward, but in terms of being difficult to sack, he would not cause anyone to confuse him with Newton or Roethlisberger.  He can be caught and sacked.  And again, it would be difficult to say his offense asked him to make a lot of "NFL throws" in terms of Digs, deep outs, skinny posts, or anything where he must challenge safeties.  Most of his deep passes were man opportunities to the safe sidelines.

Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys:  There are many reasons to see links between the Cowboys and Dak Prescott.  They certainly have not hid their desire to cross paths with him multiple times in this draft season and while they will not be alone in their interest, of the Tier 2 prospects, he is the name that pops up the most.  The parallels with Tim Tebow are certainly worth investigating in that their college statistics are very similar and they shared a coach.  That said, his throwing mechanics are far beyond Tebow, while maintaining the component of running and improv skills when the play breaks down.

As we said above, the odds of QBs in this range of a draft developing into something special are much longer than most pundits (or teams) are willing to admit.  That said, at the right price (Top of Round 3?), you can see why Prescott might be a prospect that a coach like Scott Linehan might believe he can develop to agree with the Romo retirement timeline.  There are certainly traits and flashes where you can see a high ceiling - if you want to fall in love, watch his bowl game vs NC State.  Now, in a QB-starved league, might he go well beyond pick #67?  Reports suggest Denver is salivating at the end of Round 2.
 

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Yeah it clearly says sample test.
They had "quick quiz" and "full quiz." And in reality, neither is really representative of what I have seen on actual Wonderlic tests I've taken. It's a interesting little parlor game though.
 

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They had "quick quiz" and "full quiz." And in reality, neither is really representative of what I have seen on actual Wonderlic tests I've taken. It's a interesting little parlor game though.

you look at the QBs over the years and their wonderlic scores and frankly there seems to be little correlation with success.
 

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Jack is strictly a WOLB. I saw a writeup on him and he barely had to fight off blocks; and when he did, the results weren't pretty.

That's why the rumors that Dallas likes both Jack and Ramsey. But Ramsey more. Are true

I disagree. I watched all of his games on draftbreakdown multiple times because he's that fun to watch. If he were to play MLB he'll be a better version of Urlacher. Blockers got to him plenty and he attacks them with a jolt from his hands, catching a lot of them off guard and freeing himself from the block. Sometimes I felt he got too caught up in attacking the lineman that he missed an opportunity to be in on the tackle. He's very aggressive which is great but it will bite him in the ass on occasion. His cover skills are incredible, I've never seen a pure LBer at 245lbs be able to do what he's capable of. He's a new age LBer, today's NFL is more pass heavy than ever, and Jack is exactly the type of LBer you need. To me, he's the best player in this draft if his knee clears.
 
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