Day After Thoughts: Trade edition

Dodger12 · Sunday at 7:54 AM

The Jags have a better record than us and have a shot at the playoffs. They could have used Williams far more than us. But they passed.

dbair1967 · Sunday at 8:08 AM

Dodger12 said:
The Jags have a better record than us and have a shot at the playoffs. They could have used Williams far more than us. But they passed.

They didnt pass, the Jets passed on them.

Dodger12 · Sunday at 9:55 AM

dbair1967 said:
They didnt pass, the Jets passed on them.

Right....because they didn't offer the trade capital we did. It's not hard brother.....

dbair1967 · Sunday at 9:56 AM

Dodger12 said:
Right....because they didn't offer the trade capital we did. It's not hard brother.....

The Jags maybe didnt, am not sure. The Bills probably did, and that's why they chose our deal.

dbair1967 · Sunday at 9:57 AM

Dodger12 said:
Because we were the only fools to give up that type of trade capital. It was a bad trade.

We shall see. He's one of the best players in the league at his position.

We gave up the equiv of two 2nd rd picks.

Dodger12 · Sunday at 10:00 AM

dbair1967 said:
The Jags maybe didnt, am not sure. The Bills probably did, and that's why they chose our deal.

You made a point in response to another post of mine that I was "speculating." Yet, your responses to me are all speculation. Take off the glasses......

Dodger12 · Sunday at 10:01 AM

dbair1967 said:
We gave up the equiv of two 2nd rd picks.

Speculating...............

dbair1967 · Sunday at 10:01 AM

Dodger12 said:
Speculating...............

That's not speculating Amigo, it's called "trade value chart" info.

bbgun · Sunday at 10:14 AM

When we trade for players, we overpay (Williams, Mingo, Lance). When we trade players away, we don't get nearly enough (Parsons).

dbair1967 · Sunday at 10:21 AM

bbgun said:
When we trade for players, we overpay (Williams, Mingo, Lance). When we trade players away, we don't get nearly enough (Parsons).

Did they overpay for George Pickens?

With Lance, A 4th rd pick for a guy who had started games at QB and been a top 5 pick himself doesn't seem like an "overpay" to me. It's a trade that didn't work out, but it was hardly an "overpay"

You guys are off your rocker thinking Q Williams was an overpay (especially right now before we see what we even actually give up)

Mingo trade was dumb. Roy Williams trade was dumb. (we overpaid on picks and then massively overpaif on new contract)

I'm sure there's plenty of other examples of Jones bad deals, but I don't see Lance or Q Williams as examples of those.

bbgun · Sunday at 10:32 AM

dbair1967 said:
Did they overpay for George Pickens?

With Lance, A 4th rd pick for a guy who had started games at QB and been a top 5 pick himself doesn't seem like an "overpay" to me. It's a trade that didn't work out, but it was hardly an "overpay"

You guys are off your rocker thinking Q Williams was an overpay (especially right now before we see what we even actually give up)

Pickens? Depends. You expect a third rounder to play for you for many years. If he leaves after one year, then yes, an overpay. If we get a third round comp pick, then I'll change my mind. And can he ever catch a pass without grandstanding or taunting? He's quickly becoming the Sam Williams of the offense.

Nobody was offering more than a fifth for Lance, so yes, overpay.

Throwing in a 2nd for Williams was galling. I saw him wreck the Packers in GB ... two years ago. Sacks are way down and he doesn't rush to get back on the field after injuries. Go to the Jets' message boards. They're not exactly bemoaning his departure. You'll see the word "overrated" more than once. BTW, can he cover WRs or tight ends?

dbair1967 · Sunday at 10:46 AM

bbgun said:
Pickens? Depends. You expect a third rounder to play for you for many years. If he leaves after one year, then yes, an overpay. If we get a third round comp pick, then I'll change my mind.

Nobody was offering more than a fifth for Lance, so yes, overpay.

Throwing in a 2nd for Williams was galling. I saw him wreck the Packers in GB ... two years ago. Sacks are way down and he doesn't rush to get back on the field after injuries. Go to the Jets' message boards. They're not exactly bemoaning his departure. You'll see the word "overrated" more than once. BTW, can he cover WRs or tight ends?

John Owning had a post dedicated to why his sack production was down this yr, they showed how the new DL coach and HC Glenn were lining him up differently. Expect Whitecotton to move him back into the alignments and stance he was in before. From a pass rush metrics standpoint he is one of the top DT's in the league and has been for several years. That info was also posted.

Don't agree with you on Lance, it was worth the risk and giving away a pick that might have been a half round or less better than other teams offered is not an "overpay"

Doomsday · Sunday at 10:48 AM

bbgun said:
Pickens? Depends

He doesn't wear Depends, he's sticking to the generic store brand until he gets an endorsement deal.

bbgun · Sunday at 10:50 AM

dbair1967 said:
Don't agree with you on Lance, it was worth the risk and giving away a pick that might have been a half round or less better than other teams offered is not an "overpay"

The fact that the Niners, an organization way way smarter and more successful than us, couldn't salvage Lance should've told Jerry to stay away.

dbair1967 · Sunday at 10:57 AM

bbgun said:
The fact that the Niners, an organization way way smarter and more successful than us, couldn't salvage Lance should've told Jerry to stay away.

They moved him because of his contract and they had decided they got lucky with a 7th rd pick QB.

The 7th rd pick never actually "beat out" Lance, Lance got hurt two separate times after earning the job.

If Lance had never gotten hurt, Shanahan might have made something out of him.

It was a 4th rd pick. It isnt like we gave up multiple 1st rd picks to get the guy in the hopes he would replace Prescott. He was brought in here to get a look-see as a potential fututre starter and more likely, a long term answer at backup QB.

dbair1967 · Sunday at 11:01 AM

Quinnen Williams stats from 2021-2024 under Aaron Whitecotton and Robert Saleh:

6 sacks, 12 QB knockdowns, 7 TFL
12 sacks, 28 QB knockdowns, 12 TFL
5 1/2 sacks, 20 QB knockdowns, 11 TFL
6 sacks 18 QB knockdowns, 8 TFL

This yr under new coaching and different scheme:

1 sack, 3 QB knockdowns, 7 TFL

bbgun · Sunday at 11:10 AM

Tyron Smith (first round) and DLaw (second) gave us many years of high-quality play. Conversely, we gave up those same high picks for a guy pushing 30 with a lot of miles on him. If Williams plays at a high level here for more than three years, I'll be shocked.

bbgun · Sunday at 11:11 AM

dbair1967 said:
Quinnen Williams stats from 2021-2024 under Aaron Whitecotton and Robert Saleh:

6 sacks, 12 QB knockdowns, 7 TFL
12 sacks, 28 QB knockdowns, 12 TFL
5 1/2 sacks, 20 QB knockdowns, 11 TFL
6 sacks 18 QB knockdowns, 8 TFL

This yr under new coaching and different scheme:

1 sack, 3 QB knockdowns, 7 TFL

What stats would he have to put up in Dallas to justify the trade in your mind?

dbair1967 · Sunday at 11:14 AM

bbgun said:
Tyron Smith (first round) and DLaw (second) gave us many years of high-quality play. Conversely, we gave up those same high picks for a guy pushing 30 with a lot of miles on him. If Williams plays at a high level here for more than three years, I'll be shocked.

He's 27 by the way.

As for your comment, those were two outstanding picks (we traded up to get DLaw by the way). But you could have chose to note players like Taco, Mazi, Schoonmaker, Sam Williams, Kelvin Joseph, Trysten Hill, Haylon Smith & Randy Gregory too, and those guys were all more recent.

dbair1967 · Sunday at 11:16 AM

bbgun said:
What stats would he have to put up in Dallas to justify the trade in your mind?

I think if he averages 5-7 sacks and stuffs the run similarly to what he has done his career he is worth it.

He should make the other guys on the front around him better.

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