The Torture Report

[Hoofbite]

Shits insane.

Absolutely embarrassing. Forced enemas? 180 hours of sleep deprivation. One dude was waterboarfed 183 times?

 

[Midswat]

Good. Glad we did it all.

It's war. American lives are at stake.

 

[Doomsday]

Nothing compared to what we're having the Israelis and the French do today, to prisoners we send them. Rendition. Plausible deniability. Exact opposite of transparency.

 

[cockstrong]

Good. Glad we did it all.

It's war. American lives are at stake.

I absolutely agree

By all means necessary to assist in saving lives of American people or the prevention or terrorist attacks

The only thing that would have been better is to have some sort of people overseeing these interrogations that had half of brain

 

[cockstrong]

Nothing compared to what we're having the Israelis and the French do today, to prisoners we send them. Rendition. Plausible deniability. Exact opposite of transparency.

CIA cited Israeli Supreme Court rulings to justify torture, Senate report says - Diplomacy and DefenseIsrael News - Haaretz Israeli News source

 

[Doomsday]

Right CS, so it just comes down to definitions. "moderate physical pressure" = "torture" in many circles.

Doesn't in any way change the fact that Obama uses rendition merely so he can plausibly say he doesn't "torture." And what the Israelis and French do to prisoners is far worse than anything we ourselves, did in a open and transparent - and Congressional approved - way.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I was listening to the radio this morning and the host offered a perfect analogy: Democrats are like renters that have just been kicked out of the apartment so they are kicking in the doors and walls, fucking the place up.

The release of this report served no purpose but to make us look like bleeding heart idiots.

 

[Doomsday]

The release of this report served no purpose but to make us look like bleeding heart idiots.

It was one last wail of, "But.....BOOOOOOSSSHH!"

They still haven't and never will get over the 2000 Presidential Election they lost because their candidate couldn't carry his home state.

 

[Hoofbite]

I absolutely agree

By all means necessary to assist in saving lives of American people or the prevention or terrorist attacks

The only thing that would have been better is to have some sort of people overseeing these interrogations that had half of brain

doesn't the report also say that nothing credible came from any of it? So it didn't even achieve anything in terms of protecting Americans and likely will have a negative effect.

 

[Doomsday]

doesn't the report also say that nothing credible came from any of it? So it didn't even achieve anything in terms of protecting Americans and likely will have a negative effect.

And at the same time it says we caught Bin Laden through these methods, but says we could have caught him without being such meanies.

 

[cmd34(work)]

We should be nicer.

I sure hope terrorists are nicer next time they try to kill mass amounts of Americans. Maybe they can throw really thorny roses at us.

 

[Doomsday]

We should make the sumbitches undergo the fucking torture Jerruh has put US through the last 20 years with this team.

 

[SixisBetter]

doesn't the report also say that nothing credible came from any of it? So it didn't even achieve anything in terms of protecting Americans and likely will have a negative effect.

The CIA is now saying "We did some good".
Pretty much the same as Mel Brooks in Blazing Saddles saying "We've got to protect our phony baloney jobs,gentlemen".

 

[Doomsday]

Yeah, not quite.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/10/us-usa-cia-torture-directors-idUSKBN0JO1FP20141210

(Reuters) - A group of former top-ranking CIA officials disputed a U.S. Senate committee's finding that the agency's interrogation techniques produced no valuable intelligence, saying such work had saved thousands of lives.

Former CIA directors George Tenet, Porter Goss and Michael Hayden, along with three ex-deputy directors, wrote in an op-ed article published on Wednesday in the Wall Street Journal that the Senate Intelligence Committee report also was wrong in saying the agency had been deceptive about its work following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

"The committee has given us ... a one-sided study marred by errors of fact and interpretation - essentially a poorly done and partisan attack on the agency that has done the most to protect America after the 9/11 attacks," they said.

The report concluded the CIA failed to disrupt any subsequent plots despite torturing captives during the presidency of George W. Bush.

But the former CIA officials said the United States never would have tracked down and killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in 2011 without information acquired in the interrogation program. Their methods also led to the capture of ranking al Qaeda operatives, provided valuable information about the organization and saved thousands of lives by disrupting al Qaeda plots, including one for an attack on the U.S. West Coast that could have been similar to the Sept. 11 attacks.

The former CIA officials defended the interrogation program by saying agents were in an unprecedented daily "'ticking time bomb' scenario" that required quick action.

They said the committee report was "flat-out wrong" in saying the CIA misled the White House, Justice Department, Congress and the public about its methods. The CIA sought and received confirmation from the White House and Justice Department for its programs and also kept Congress informed, they said.

"In no way would we claim that we did everything perfectly, especially in the emergency and often-chaotic circumstances we confronted in the immediate aftermath of 9/11," the former officials wrote. "As in all wars, there were undoubtedly things in our program that should not have happened. When we learned of them, we reported such instances to the CIA inspector general or the Justice Department and sought to take corrective action."

The intelligence officials criticized the committee staff for not interviewing any of them and said the staff had already concluded the interrogation methods gave no useful intelligence before conducting their investigation.

 

[cockstrong]

doesn't the report also say that nothing credible came from any of it? So it didn't even achieve anything in terms of protecting Americans and likely will have a negative effect.

The movie with the red head where they killed Bin Lade specifically showed them torturing people to get info on Bin Laden

 

[VTA]

Failure on all levels. In war you kill your enemy, you don’t hang on to them, live out your worst fantasies on his person then release him. The current head of ISIS is a former prisoner, and he’s head of something far more fierce than al Qaeda. Losers pretending they can prosecute enemy combatants shows just how dangerously out of touch with reality this country truly has been for the last 13 years. What a bunch of traitorous fucking losers.

 

[Hoofbite]

The movie with the red head where they killed Bin Lade specifically showed them torturing people to get info on Bin Laden

Well then it must be true.

CNN has an article that says the info supplied by that guy was obtained before he was tortured, and mentions other possible sources for that info that never underwent torturing.

 

[SixisBetter]

Let's be clear,I'm all for anything that can stop another terrorist attack.Those fuckers want to play hardball then OK,beanballs and spikes up.
But I'm not going to trust Obama or the CIA period.

 

[dbair1967]

doesn't the report also say that nothing credible came from any of it? So it didn't even achieve anything in terms of protecting Americans and likely will have a negative effect.

Never mind the fact that they didn't interview anyone that actually mattered regarding this right?

It was a hack job by a bunch of fucking losers. Diane Commystein is happy though.

 

[dbair1967]

Failure on all levels. In war you kill your enemy, you don’t hang on to them, live out your worst fantasies on his person then release him. The current head of ISIS is a former prisoner, and he’s head of something far more fierce than al Qaeda. Losers pretending they can prosecute enemy combatants shows just how dangerously out of touch with reality this country truly has been for the last 13 years. What a bunch of traitorous fucking losers.

There were only two problems. 1) Using tax payer funds to give these guys the good life while in captivity and 2) Releasing them

Otherwise fuck em. They deserved whatever crap we did to them.