Sturm- I like this team, but still cautious

[Doomsday]

Wallow, wallow!

Cheerlead! Cheerlead!

 

[dbair1967]

That's right. They went from what they really are, a mediocre team, with a few breaks and a run-heavy philosophy based on Romo's back, to winning just four more games.

Every perennial 8-8 type team can go 12-4. Hell, the 9-7 Giants can win a Super Bowl, beating the 13-3 Cowboys in the playoffs on their way to beating the undefeated Patriots for the Lombardi.

You don't understand that mediocrity is the norm in this league. And pretty much any of these mediocre teams can have a charmed year. Ours was last year.

Just fyi, the 9-7 Giants didn't beat the 13-3 Cowboys

This years roster doesn't look very mediocre, its by far the best its been in a LONG time. Barring major injury, the results this yr wont be much different than last yr.

But hey, you can always crow about how "its just two fluke years homers!!!!" after the season.

 

[Midswat]

Breaks I think we caught was basicaly zero injuries all year, except for losing Claiborne which made us better. Lost Lee first day of TC giving team all preseason to adjust.

That and a ridiculous one in a million catch on third and 20 after a super human spin/throw by Romo vs Seattle that, had we not converted, we lose. A ridiculous catch by Dez on third and long in overtime vs Texans. And a Rams TE dropping a sure TD in the end zone that likely would've put the game out of reach. Finally, refs saving our ass vs Detroit on an obvious PI. We were very lucky last year. Don't get me wrong, we were a good team, but very lucky.

 

[Midswat]

We did get lucky that Jerry unplugged Garrett's headphone mic, though.

No doubt.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, very lucky

Good grief

 

[Omegasupreme]

Uh huh

Dude, this we got lucky crap is fucking lame.

I know its amazing because most of us didn't see it coming, but they were 12-4 and won a playoff game last yr because they had a good team. Not because they were lucky or caught every break imaginable.

Hey Cowboys were the better team against the Lions and any other coach from Pop Warner to a decaying Tom Landry would have not allowed that game to be that close, but the Hitchens call was waaaaaaay lucky and the game was not moving in Dallas's favor without it.

 

[Iamtdg]

Breaks I think we caught was basicaly zero injuries all year, except for losing Claiborne which made us better. Lost Lee first day of TC giving team all preseason to adjust.

That and a ridiculous one in a million catch on third and 20 after a super human spin/throw by Romo vs Seattle that, had we not converted, we lose. A ridiculous catch by Dez on third and long in overtime vs Texans. And a Rams TE dropping a sure TD in the end zone that likely would've put the game out of reach. Finally, refs saving our ass vs Detroit on an obvious PI. We were very lucky last year. Don't get me wrong, we were a good team, but very lucky.

Can't use the catches and non-catches, IMO. The talent on teams cause those things, either positive or negative. That's not luck.

 

[dbair1967]

Hey Cowboys were the better team against the Lions and any other coach from Pop Warner to a decaying Tom Landry would have not allowed that game to be that close, but the Hitchens call was waaaaaaay lucky and the game was not moving in Dallas's favor without it.

First off, Detroit did next to nothing offensively after the first qtr in that game. And one of their TDS they got from the refs avoiding an OBVIOUS holding call downfield. Was that lucky?

Dez Bryant vs GB

Which was "luckier"?

 

[Midswat]

Detroit game.

Also, even if they count the Dez catch, we still need to score. And there was plenty of time for Rodgers and Adams to run through our defense like a hot knife through butter.

 

[Doomsday]

Just fyi, the 9-7 Giants didn't beat the 13-3 Cowboys

Oh yeah, they were 10-6 that year. The 10-6 Giants beat the 13-3 Cowboys.

Wow, apologist much?

 

[Doomsday]

Yeah, very lucky

Good grief

See, unlike you I am that guy at Shawshank prison in solitary for 20 fucking years since SB 30, who when that door would open early on and the light would stab in, thought something good was happening. It took 20 years for me to learn that when that door opens wide and the light stabs in with a 13-3 or a 12-4 finish, it fucking still slams fucking shut.

You haven't learned that yet. You will.

 

[Doomsday]

But hey, you can always crow about how "its just two fluke years homers!!!!" after the season.

No, fuckhead. I have always said that if they can put together two better years, I would start to re-evaluate. Problem is they haven't done that in what, 20 years?

I don't go by how sexy you think the roster is, I go by fucking results.

 

[Doomsday]

Also, even if they count the Dez catch, we still need to score. And there was plenty of time for Rodgers and Adams to run through our defense like a hot knife through butter.

A inconvenient truth the homers love to forget.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

The whole “luck” argument is an exercise in futility. It’s like someone claiming god made the Cowboys win 13 games. It’s like some mystical thing nobody sees or understands and doesn’t live inside any rules.

 

[Dodger12]

"Luck" certainly plays a part in any season and sometimes games are won or lost by a bad call/non-call, incredible catch, etc. Maybe we even confuse luck with "good fortune" but in any event, we can go through the season and point to plays and events that played a part. The incredible Williams catch against Seattle. The Hitchens non-call against Detroit. The Dez catch being overturned. Murray's untimely fumble against GB. Romo, Murray and Dez staying healthy throughout the season. Heck, we were fairly healthy all year as a team.

Things went right for us last year. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. Even good teams need things to right for them on any SB run (tuck rule, Eli's pass that was caught off the TE's helmet, last year's goal line INT in the SB, Ben's endzone pass and incredible catch in the SB), overturning Witten's 1st down against Seattle in the playoffs, Terry Glen fumbling out of the endzone in that same game, Irvin and Harper switching positions prior to "the slant" against SF........I mean, we can go on and on.

 

[Dodger12]

This years roster doesn't look very mediocre, its by far the best its been in a LONG time. Barring major injury, the results this yr wont be much different than last yr.

I agree on the injury front but no one can definitively say we're a more talented team this year. We need a lot of "if's" to happen. Losing Murray and Scandrick is big. RoMac and Hardy are suspended. The RBBC is a huge question mark. Can Gregory pressure the QB and get sacks. Can Jones adequately man the CB slot as a rookie? We are thin at safety (again). I thought we were deeper at LB to start the season last year although Lee coming back is huge. Not sure how we lose the Offensive Player of the Year, as well as one of our best defenders and still be better. Too many unknowns and unproven players.....

 

[Dodger12]

Breaks I think we caught was basicaly zero injuries all year, except for losing Claiborne which made us better. Lost Lee first day of TC giving team all preseason to adjust.

That and a ridiculous one in a million catch on third and 20 after a super human spin/throw by Romo vs Seattle that, had we not converted, we lose. A ridiculous catch by Dez on third and long in overtime vs Texans. And a Rams TE dropping a sure TD in the end zone that likely would've put the game out of reach. Finally, refs saving our ass vs Detroit on an obvious PI. We were very lucky last year. Don't get me wrong, we were a good team, but very lucky.

Beat me to it Middy. Exactly my point earlier.....

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

"Luck" certainly plays a part in any season and sometimes games are won or lost by a bad call/non-call, incredible catch, etc. Maybe we even confuse luck with "good fortune" but in any event, we can go through the season and point to plays and events that played a part. The incredible Williams catch against Seattle. The Hitchens non-call against Detroit. The Dez catch being overturned. Murray's untimely fumble against GB. Romo, Murray and Dez staying healthy throughout the season. Heck, we were fairly healthy all year as a team.

Things went right for us last year. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. Even good teams need things to right for them on any SB run (tuck rule, Eli's pass that was caught off the TE's helmet, last year's goal line INT in the SB, Ben's endzone pass and incredible catch in the SB), overturning Witten's 1st down against Seattle in the playoffs, Terry Glen fumbling out of the endzone in that same game, Irvin and Harper switching positions prior to "the slant" against SF........I mean, we can go on and on.

Exactly. It's insane to suggest that luck doesn't exist. In the long term, yes, theoretically it all evens out. But in the short term, it plays a huge factor when you're talking about a league of parity like this one where one bounce of the ball can make the difference in winning or losing a game.

 

[Dodger12]

Exactly. It's insane to suggest that luck doesn't exist. In the long term, yes, theoretically it all evens out. But in the short term, it plays a huge factor when you're talking about a league of parity like this one where one bounce of the ball can make the difference in winning or losing a game.

Yes Sir TE. That's why one of the few things can give a team a supreme edge in a league of parity is having a QB along with a solid front office. Last season, we were able to overcome some of our gaffes that we couldn't overcome in previous years; they were back breakers. In that sense, I think that points to us being a better team and something I noticed as the season wore on. Not all of our mistakes were fatal. I hope we can continue on with that same style this season.

Not to beat a dead horse, but there are dark days ahead with Romo being in the latter part of his career. I just don't yet trust this front office and coaching staff to find and develop the next franchise QB.

 

[dbair1967]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there are dark days ahead with Romo being in the latter part of his career. I just don't yet trust this front office and coaching staff to find and develop the next franchise QB.

Some degree of luck involved with that too (ie, us with Romo) but they seem to make far better draft decisions than in the laugher years of Jerry GM from 94-2002.

I strongly suspect next years first or second rd pick will be a QB and if someone they really like is out there, it wouldn't surprise me if they move up to get him.