Quick Question about all these restructures....

[Midswat]

What does what we do in free agency have to do with the premise of this thread?

 

[peplaw06]

It's not about free agency or our cap issues. It's about the players' mindsets.

 

[dbair1967]

It's not about free agency or our cap issues. It's about the players' mindsets.

Certainly over the history of this game (and other sports) there are players who mail it in so to say after getting a contract.

The idea that getting a restructured deal somehow makes it more likely someone would is laughable IMO though. They've had experience already with these guys and have seen how they work/practice etc etc. A restructured deal with some guaranteed money doesnt make it any more or less likely that a player will "skate" than a guy signing their rookie deal and getting a big signing bonus, or the same thing with an unrestricted free agent getting a substancial deal from a new or existing team.

 

[peplaw06]

You shittin me?

You telling me that tomorrow your boss comes in and says, "dbair we're doing some financial restructuring. We're going to guarantee your salary for the next 10 years (to make it comparable given the average life span of a football player)."

You can now do whatever you want and it doesn't matter, you still get paid. You saying that's not going to affect your mindset in the slightest?

Come on. That's like saying if you won the lottery, you'd keep working your ass off like you do now.

 

[Midswat]

Dbair dismissive "WERE DOOMED" response in 3....2.....1.....

 

[Midswat]

What we have is a roster comprised of primarily underachieving guys.

Perrenial 8-8'ers. 1 playoff win to their collective asses.

They SHOULD all be uncomfortable.

They should all fear for their jobs. Even as unlikely as it might be for them to be replaced... the threat should be there.

As it is... we've got a bunch of guys with guaranteed money.

And guess what... that guaranteed money weighs heavily on who gets drafted, who makes the roster & who gets playing time.

 

[peplaw06]

who gets playing time.

Biggest indictment of the restructuring IMO.

You're basically telling the player that there will be no competition for their roster spot at training camp.

 

[Midswat]

Funny that dbair mentioned Austin as well. A lot of people basically think he's mailed it in himself after signing that huge deal.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who advocated dumping the entire team and starting over?

I'm simply asking how a GM can promise to make things uncomfortable and then go and guarantee that players who should feel some heat will be here for the next year plus, at least?

I have? We're only going to continually spin our wheels if we try to keep the makeup of this roster largely intact.

Some of our core guys would be getting released if we were a team like ATL.

 

[bkeavs]

I think the problem is there are a certain number of people here who when they see the word "restructure" they automatically assume its some astronomical amount being guaranteed, when in fact some may be minor adjustments. Without knowing the details of what they did exactly its pretty lame to continuously complain about and assume the worst.

Also, some of the adjustments are converting all or a portion of base salary to signing bonus/guaranteed money, which isnt an issue if you know that player is going to be here anyway.

The word restructure to me in this situation means you are GUARANTEEING the player at least another season on this team. For a team thats been 500 for a long time, thats alot of restructured contracts

 

[dbair1967]

You shittin me?

You telling me that tomorrow your boss comes in and says, "dbair we're doing some financial restructuring. We're going to guarantee your salary for the next 10 years (to make it comparable given the average life span of a football player)."

You can now do whatever you want and it doesn't matter, you still get paid. You saying that's not going to affect your mindset in the slightest?

Come on. That's like saying if you won the lottery, you'd keep working your ass off like you do now.

So basically you think this is the first time anyone's ever gotten guaranteed money?

JFC people. Guaranteed money has been going on for a long time.

 

[dbair1967]

I have? We're only going to continually spin our wheels if we try to keep the makeup of this roster largely intact.

Some of our core guys would be getting released if we were a team like ATL.

Sorry, I cant see ANY team "releasing" Tony Romo, Jason Witten or Demarcus Ware

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sorry, I cant see ANY team "releasing" Tony Romo, Jason Witten or Demarcus Ware

They weren't who I was referring to.

Guys like Ratliff, Scandrick, Austin. Those are the guys.

 

[Hoofbite]

Its beating a dead horse.

Until its actually a REAL issue, you are crying over spilt milk that MIGHT happen sometime in the future.

Uh oh. dbair used to call bullshit on it. Now it's a "might'.

As for crying.....this team is pushing money to keep a collection of players together who couldn't cut it. Sounds like a great plan.

 

[dbair1967]

They weren't who I was referring to.

Guys like Ratliff, Scandrick, Austin. Those are the guys.

Those arnt core players anymore either nitwit

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Those arnt core players anymore either nitwit

Yeah, they are.

 

[dbair1967]

Uh oh. dbair used to call bullshit on it. Now it's a "might'.

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"might" in that the only way it'd happen is if they'd suddenly release all these high dollar guaranteed salary guys in the same year...which we know isnt going to happen

and again, unless you have the details of the adjustments made to each of those guys, it is crying and whining over basically nothing...several of you are acting like all these guys are getting bookoos of more money, when in fact most of them are not

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, they are.

those guys are supporting players at this stage of their careers Bob...certainly a teams backup CB isnt a "core" player. Ratliff and Austin could be really solid, if either could stay healthy 9which is a big if)

None of them are at the level of player as guys like Romo, Ware, Dez, Sean lee etc etc

 

[peplaw06]

So basically you think this is the first time anyone's ever gotten guaranteed money?

JFC people. Guaranteed money has been going on for a long time.

um, no...?

If that's what you got out of this thread, there's something wrong.

What we're doing is shifting some of the non-guaranteed portions of these players contracts into guaranteed money and spreading out the cap hit over a longer period of time. We are increasing these players cap hits for 2014, 2015 and so on while trying to decrease the 2013 cap hit. So instead of cutting these players when they've outlived their usefulness in 2014 and moving on, we're faced with the decision of cutting the player when they're done and spending part of our cap towards their still-guaranteed money (dead money) or retaining a declining player on the roster.

 

[bkeavs]

um, no...?

If that's what you got out of this thread, there's something wrong.

What we're doing is shifting some of the non-guaranteed portions of these players contracts into guaranteed money and spreading out the cap hit over a longer period of time. We are increasing these players cap hits for 2014, 2015 and so on while trying to decrease the 2013 cap hit. So instead of cutting these players when they've outlived their usefulness in 2014 and moving on, we're faced with the decision of cutting the player when they're done and spending part of our cap towards their still-guaranteed money (dead money) or retaining a declining player on the roster.

Nailed It