Jerry Jones picks Rob Ryan as Cowboys’ scapegoat

[superpunk]

What do any of them know?

 

[dbair1967]

What do any of them know?

I bet they know how to knock you upside the head

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't get the peete firing yet.

but I have no idea why people are all worked up over ryan.

He is and always has been a lousy coordinator. I don't think he is well respected around the league and I think unless garrett does something really dumb here, we will have a better defensive staff next year.

and yes I have been saying it all along. Ryan stinks.

The Pete firing is bullshit. As is the Ryan firing. Neither guy represents the larger problem at hand so moving no coordinators in or new position coaches in will do nothing.

Broaddus was on talking cowboys yesterday and said that Pete was fired because of a personal issue with Garrett. Same with Ray Sherman.

So here's my question, why can't Garrett work with guys who have been coaching at one level or another since before Garrett even set foot on a field as a player?

Maybe the problem ISN'T everyone else.

 

[dbair1967]

The Pete firing is bullshit. As is the Ryan firing. Neither guy represents the larger problem at hand so moving no coordinators in or new position coaches in will do nothing.

Broaddus was on talking cowboys yesterday and said that Pete was fired because of a personal issue with Garrett. Same with Ray Sherman.

So here's my question, why can't Garrett work with guys who have been coaching at one level or another since before Garrett even set foot on a field as a player?

Maybe the problem ISN'T everyone else.

Ray Sherman didnt do a good job here. Niether did Skip Peete.

Yeah they were longtime coaches, but so what.

Also pretty sure you can find examples everywhere of coaches who for whatever reason/s, dont see eye to eye with all other coaches. Its why most head coaches want to pick their own staffs.

 

[Hoofbite]

Seems to be a foregone conclusion among the media folks doesnt it?

Mike Fisher says Garrett personally told him "change there is defintiely on th table", referring to his job as playcaller.

You're being too optimistic about it. Garrett is doing everything he can to get those around him fired so he can point to all the change that is made and.....

1. Claim that the changes they have made are so good by themselves that they should get the job done.

2. Claim that too much change (as in his OC duties) would be too much and could derail the whole plan. Might as well keep something consistent.

But here's the real reason why Garrett will be the play caller next year.

So long as Jerry has two direct subordinates who are the play callers, regardless of their other job titles, it makes Jerry feel like the head coach.

Jerry
Wade: HC/DC
Jason: OC

Jerry
Jason: HC/OC
Ryan: DC

Jerry
Jason: HC
Random: OC
Random: DC

If Jerry allows an OC to come in, it puts a hierarchical disconnect between him and the OC, and for that matter him and the DC because Wade/Jason/Rob have pretty much all been viewed as equals in that each was given a side of ball that other knew nothing about so each man had his own autonomy to a certain extent. The way he's been running it, he's basically got two head coaches but only one has the title.

So in his fucked up world, so long as two guys are immediately subordinate and they call plays, he's fucking coach. That's why Jason keeps his OC duties. Because it would make Jerry feel as though he is no longer the coach of the team because the person immediately superior to the coordinators would be Jason the HC only and not Jerry.

 

[Hoofbite]

Ray Sherman didnt do a good job here. Niether did Skip Peete.

Yeah they were longtime coaches, but so what.

Also pretty sure you can find examples everywhere of coaches who for whatever reason/s, dont see eye to eye with all other coaches. Its why most head coaches want to pick their own staffs.

Jason picked Peete when they gave him a new contract not too long ago, didn't he? Picked Ryan too didn't he? Oh wait, now everyone is saying that Jason didn't want Ryan and he wanted Horton. Sweet, so Jason doesn't pick his own staff and is just another puppet.

Oh, and Ray Sherman helped develop Miles Austin from undrafted player to Pro Bowler for whatever that might be worth.

You can sit here and conveniently claim that all those going out the door were just shit but that's just a mischaracterization and you know it.

Ray Sherman and Peete have worked for more teams and with more coaches than Jason Garrett has. How can Jason seemingly not work with all these guys with years of experience, some of whom he has picked himself or at the very least approved retaining. It doesn't take 6 fucking years to figure out if Skip Peete or 4 years to figure out if Sherman can work with Jason. It should take a season at most. Why did these guys get multiple years and all of sudden as soon as they are gone it's some big philosophical disagreement?

 

[dbair1967]

I'm still not convinced Garrett keeps his HC job, let alone keeps his play calling duties. All the evidence and reports make it seem like a certainty he is losing at least the play calling duties.

I will say this, if Jones is making Garrett do this its probably as wrong as it is right. He's right in wanting stuff changed up, because Ryan sucked as a DC and Garrett isnt getting it done on the offensive side. With that said, I'd rather just see him hire a more accomplished HC and let him rebuild the entire staff.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm still not convinced Garrett keeps his HC job, let alone keeps his play calling duties. All the evidence and reports make it seem like a certainty he is losing at least the play calling duties.

I will say this, if Jones is making Garrett do this its probably as wrong as it is right. He's right in wanting stuff changed up, because Ryan sucked as a DC and Garrett isnt getting it done on the offensive side. With that said, I'd rather just see him hire a more accomplished HC and let him rebuild the entire staff.

I agree.

This whole charade is fucking joke. They're shuffling pieces in and out but not fixing the real problem.