2025 Week Eight: Dallas Cowboys vs Denver Broncos

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I would like to see a physical team on offense with successful runs creating play action opportunities
We're among the teams who really doesn't run play-action, we don't fake handoffs or try to be sneaky at all, we just show the ball to the RB as he passes by not even close really, to the QB. Never made sense to me.
 

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We're among the teams who really doesn't run play-action, we don't fake handoffs or try to be sneaky at all, we just show the ball to the RB as he passes by not even close really, to the QB. Never made sense to me.
Yep, I hear ya man. Football 101 type stuff.

If Jevonte has some early success, you would think play action(the faking of a handoff while still passing) would cause that little delay in the defense's reaction time enough to create success in some downfield throws.

Haven't seen a lot of true play action taken advantage of thus far.
 

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Yep, I hear ya man. Football 101 type stuff.

If Jevonte has some early success, you would think play action(the faking of a handoff while still passing) would cause that little delay in the defense's reaction time enough to create success in some downfield throws.

Haven't seen a lot of true play action taken advantage of thus far.
I'd assume your coaching doesn't understand this? But Schott is an offensive coach. I have to believe they simply think real play-action execution is just a myth? That defensive players don't fall for it, not even a twitch? Not even something as small as messing with their eye discipline?

If so why even bother showing the back, the ball? At all?

I see teams that actually do real play-action and I see linebackers hesitate just that little split second. It actually does work when it's executed and looks identical to the running play it emulates.
 

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I'd assume your coaching doesn't understand this? But Schott is an offensive coach. I have to believe they simply think real play-action execution is just a myth? That defensive players don't fall for it, not even a twitch? Not even something as small as messing with their eye discipline?

If so why even bother showing the back, the ball? At all?

I see teams that actually do real play-action and I see linebackers hesitate just that little split second. It actually does work when it's executed and looks identical to the running play it emulates.


Yeah, a little confusing to me as well.
 

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Yeah, a little confusing to me as well.
It sure as hell worked great when we had Emmitt. Remember Romanowski getting flagged for defensive holding when he tackled Emmitt on play-action? His defense of that still today is "we thought he had the ball!" No shit Sherlock! That's the point!
 

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We're among the teams who really doesn't run play-action, we don't fake handoffs or try to be sneaky at all, we just show the ball to the RB as he passes by not even close really, to the QB. Never made sense to me.
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That's a PA pass Dooms. The mere motion of putting the ball into the RB's area is what forces LB or safeties to hold their spots.

It's working to near perfection, you can see examples of it every week.
 

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Yep, I hear ya man. Football 101 type stuff.

If Jevonte has some early success, you would think play action(the faking of a handoff while still passing) would cause that little delay in the defense's reaction time enough to create success in some downfield throws.

Haven't seen a lot of true play action taken advantage of thus far.
Everybody in the league calls this a "play-action pass"

 

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Play action pass data:

The Dallas Cowboys have run 447 total plays this season, with 264 passing attempts. Data from 2025 indicates Dak Prescott has completed 16 of 18 play-action passes for 168 yards.
 

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You're missing the point. We KNOW what they call it. Not disputing the terminology. But you seriously think showing the back the ball not actually doing the run fake is affecting the linebackers at all?
 

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You're missing the point. We KNOW what they call it. Not disputing the terminology. But you seriously think showing the back the ball not actually doing the run fake is affecting the linebackers at all?
you can see them hold their ground on every single one of these examples...it works...they have to respect it

and here's another one

 

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It's like you guys believe it requires some sort of houdini ball fake action or something for the play to be effective.

You only need the LB, DE, safety etc etc to hesitate or lean the other way for a second to get the advantage you want...it's in every single one of those examples where they do just that.
 

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It's like you guys believe it requires some sort of houdini ball fake action or something for the play to be effective.

You only need the LB, DE, safety etc etc to hesitate or lean the other way for a second to get the advantage you want...it's in every single one of those examples where they do just that.
Allowed perception to cloud results. I'm hereby corrected, Mr. Mason!

Brad Sham has to be the source - never fails, on play-action he invariably says, "shows him the ball and looks downfield.."
 
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