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Somebody else posted that he started the game, but I definitely don't remember seeing him.

Nobody has said how many snaps he played.

Seems odd he would start the game and then not be in the on 3rd and goal from the 2 yd line on that same drive.
Sounds to me like the coaching staff got fed up and pulled him ASAP.

Apparently, Booker didn't play at all. I think the rookie needs snaps. To expect him to be better or even as good as one-legged Zack Martin on day 1 with no preseason snaps....IDK.
 

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That's why I'm saying do NOT trade for another QB. if someone comes available through the waiver wire, fine. But we never know who might fall. I mean I have my issues with Dak, but we hit big with a 4th round pick!

The difference between Shedeur and Milton right now is that we would have had Shedeur for at least 4 years and we have Milton for 3 years. If I were a GM, I think that would help me plan things out a bit better cap wise.

We can't keep throwing away picks on players other teams give up on.. Picks sometimes shit big time.
At some point you have to invest a high draft pick in a QB to have the best chance to find a franchise QB

Count all the Super Bowl winning QB's, I think the solid majority are 1st rd picks.

We haven't drafted a QB in the 1st rd since 1989 (when we technically drafted two). That's too long.
 

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I dont want Sanders for ten yrs, even if it was for free.

He's a turd. And a Turd that is not overly gifted physically.

Go plug in Nebraska and BYU games and get back to me.
I'll get back to you after his next preseason start (if he gets one). College is college... lots of things happen. A lot of college ball is played with and against players who have no shot at the NFL, and QBs need help.

Let's see how he does in the pros. First game wasn't bad. I think they are hyping his performance, but he wasn't bad, especially if you add the handicap that he got few reps (unlike Milton).

So as of right now, Sanders is better than Milton.
 

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At some point you have to invest a high draft pick in a QB to have the best chance to find a franchise QB

Count all the Super Bowl winning QB's, I think the solid majority are 1st rd picks.

We haven't drafted a QB in the 1st rd since 1989 (when we technically drafted two). That's too long.
I don't disagree with that, but the inverse is also true. If a solid majority (let's say 60 percent) were first-round picks, that means 40 percent were not.
 

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I just watched the first half and one drive of the pre season game vs the Rams.

Joe Milton is pure shit!

Mafah and Aubrey are the only redeeming players so far in this game.

The rest of the team is shit. I don’t care that this is the first pre season game of the year. We are undisciplined, making stupid pre snap penalties like we always do. So much for Shotty being the disciplinarian and wanting to be a physical team.

This team, as always, is a complete joke!
 

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I just watched the first half and one drive of the pre season game vs the Rams.

Joe Milton is pure shit!

Mafah and Aubrey are the only redeeming players so far in this game.
Liufau was good and rookie Shemar James flashed some, you can see why Eberflus liked him. Winfrey was by far the best of the DT's.

Flournoy could have had a "career" type game had Milton not been so bad and Jalen Brooks was pretty good.

Aubrey split the middle with his FG's and PAT.

Otherwise, yeah the whole game was awful. Run defense was horrible in the 2nd half and was just average at best in first half. No pass rush at all. Pass coverage was non-existent for most part. OL was not good and WAY too may stipid penalties on them.

As bad as it was, I never once saw Schottenheimer appear to get mad (could be because we had the Rams broadcast and they only panned over there a few times at most) but the game was a disaster in every way possible.
 

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Sanders is a flub dude. You say you dont want to trade a pick for a backup but Sanders would have cost a pick to draft, and he is a waste of time.

He played against the worst defense in the league last night and they sat almost all of their starters. The best play he had was a one handed catch by one of his receivers

He is everything that's wrong with sports athletes today...never had to compete for a job in college (something daddy even announced, that he would be the starter no matter what) and then teams were completely turned off by his terrible attitude during the interview processes.

Frankly he is such a turd and gets so much media slobbering that I cannot believe Jones DIDNT draft him.

I don't disagree with you but I would have rather taken a flier on Sanders than gone with Milton. Churn the QB position every year. We've seen the strategy dating back to Roger/Landry and up until BP with Testaverde/Bledsoe/Romo, but the minute a real HC leaves the building we just go back to the circus. This isn't a football team a real GM but a circus lead by a clown.
 

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Liufau was good and rookie Shemar James flashed some, you can see why Eberflus liked him. Winfrey was by far the best of the DT's.

Flournoy could have had a "career" type game had Milton not been so bad and Jalen Brooks was pretty good.

Aubrey split the middle with his FG's and PAT.

Otherwise, yeah the whole game was awful. Run defense was horrible in the 2nd half and was just average at best in first half. No pass rush at all. Pass coverage was non-existent for most part. OL was not good and WAY too may stipid penalties on them.

As bad as it was, I never once saw Schottenheimer appear to get mad (could be because we had the Rams broadcast and they only panned over there a few times at most) but the game was a disaster in every way possible.

Luifau was good last night. I am looking forward to seeing him and Overshown on the field together this season.

But other than that it’s rinse and repeat. We still can’t run the ball. We still can’t stop the run. We still commit stupid pre snap penalties. We are still struggling with everything that we have been for years.

An entire change in coaching staff and we still have the same exact problems we have always had

The more things change the more they stay the same
 

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I have seen absolutely nothing so far this off season to make me believe that this season will be any different than the last 29 seasons of failure
 

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I don't disagree with you but I would have rather taken a flier on Sanders than gone with Milton. Churn the QB position every year. We've seen the strategy dating back to Roger/Landry and up until BP with Testaverde/Bledsoe/Romo, but the minute a real HC leaves the building we just go back to the circus. This isn't a football team a real GM but a circus lead by a clown.
The extra year under contract matters! Even if Sanders is no better than Cooper Rush, we would have had him locked up for 4 years instead of 3. I think it matters if you're a GM trying to plan things out.

So it's not just "cost us a pick anyway". You want as much value as possible.
 

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I'm rewatching the game from start to finish.

Mazi Smith absolutely played--not much, but he played.

Because I think our D needs to be protected, I would like to see Schotty use Mafah and Luepke (Byner-Mack) in the backfield at the same time and go old-school. See if we can control the clock. Use two TEs too. Lots of Ds nowadays are a bit on the smallish side. "matriculate it down the field".
 

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I'm rewatching the game from start to finish.

Mazi Smith absolutely played--not much, but he played.
Yep apologies Amigo, I watched some of the All-22 and it was obvious then he did play (you can easily see the numbers in it and some of the views are really cool)

The other thing I noticed about him (now that I could see it was him) is he looks SMALL. The smallest he has ever been IMO.

He did nothing of note (run or pass) other than absorb a couple of double teams.

Unless he quickly turns it around, I don't think he is making the team unless tere's a bunch of injuries and he makes it by default.
 

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I don't disagree with you but I would have rather taken a flier on Sanders than gone with Milton. Churn the QB position every year. We've seen the strategy dating back to Roger/Landry and up until BP with Testaverde/Bledsoe/Romo, but the minute a real HC leaves the building we just go back to the circus. This isn't a football team a real GM but a circus lead by a clown.
Well they did "churn" the position, they traded for Milton and let Cooper Rush walk, and that's part of the reason they didn't spend another pick on a QB in the draft.

That said, they need to quit using "hope" and "get lucky" as a strategy when it comes to QB and invest a premium pick/s into the position. They got lucky beyond belief with Romo and Prescott, but those guys had flaws and were never true "franchise" QB's in my opinion. They made themselves into quality players but neither could elevate the team to a championship contender.
 

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I don't disagree with that, but the inverse is also true. If a solid majority (let's say 60 percent) were first-round picks, that means 40 percent were not.
So I went ahead and did the look-see. Here's the tab:

59 total super bowls

1st rd pick winners: Joe Namath, Len Dawson, Earl Morrall (2), Bob Griese (2), Terry Bradshaw (4) Jim Plunkett (2), Jim McMahon, Phil Simms, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman (3), John Elway (2), Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Payton Manning (2), Joe Flacco Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning (2), Patrick Mahomes (3) and Matthew Stafford. So thats 32 of 59. If you include Steve Young (1st overall in USFL, then was a 1st rd supp pick by Tampa from USFL drfatees) it's 33. Then there's Roger Staubach, who would have almost assuredly been a high 1st rd pick the yr he came out had he not had a 5 yr commitment to the Navy. That would be 35.

If you then include 2nd and 3rd rd pick winners you'd add the following: Ken Stabler, Joe Montana (4) Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson and Jelen Hurts. So 44 of the 59 winning QB's would be 1st, 2nd or 3rd rd picks.

The data clearly shows that depending on 3rd day draft picks or UDFA's players is far less likely to generate championships.

Dallas has drafted 1 QB in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds since 1989. I guess it's two if you count the Drew Henson trade (3rd rd pick)
 
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