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Hoping Jack doesn't impress too much today.. Really hoping he makes it to 4. Gonna be a star in this league.

One article I read said if he blows up today he could enter discussion to be the 1st pick overall.
 

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And so it begins:

walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php



Teams Have Hard-Party Drug Concerns with Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott

Updated March 15, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Eastern Kentucky edge rusher Noah Spence was a standout pass-rusher at Ohio State before positive tests for the party drug ecstasy led to him being kicked out of the program. At the Senior Bowl, teams interviewed Spence about his issues at Ohio State, and while he wouldn't name names, he said that he wasn't the only Buckeye player who was using ecstasy while partying. In speaking with sources at multiple teams, two of the players that teams suspect for that type of partying are defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott.

To be clear, neither player had a positive drug test for ecstasy or molly (MDMA). However, Bosa was suspended for the opening game of the 2016 NFL season. Ohio State didn't clarify the exact offense for the suspension, but Bosa told teams during the NFL Combine interviews that he was suspended because he refused to take a drug test. That counted as a positive and thus he was automatically slapped with the suspension.

Bosa told teams that he wouldn't take the test because he was going to test positive for adderall. He is said to have ADHD or ADD, so teams wouldn't have held that positive test for adderall against him and they feel he should have just gotten a prescription for the medication. Teams believe that Bosa knew he was going to test positive for worse drugs and that is why he refused to take the test. Bosa wouldn't admit to using ecstasy or molly, but he did admit that he likes to attend raves. He claimed that he likes going to raves for the "music," which teams found to be very questionable. Molly and ecstasy are common drugs used at raves.

At Ohio State, Bosa was a roommate with Ezekiel Elliott. Apparently, their shared place was a party destination, and Bosa told teams that he had to move out and get his own place to get away from all the parties that Elliott had going on. Sources say they suspect that Elliott was also using molly and ecstasy while parting. A number of Elliott's teammates in the Combine interviews told teams that Elliott was a partier, and a unique individual. They said they hung out with him some, but he rubbed some the wrong way. Sources from multiple teams said that Elliott didn't interview well at the Combine, while Bosa had mixed feedback. The skepticism of why he goes to raves and the refusal of the drug test bothered some evaluators.

Lastly, teams said they don't expect these concerns to have an impact on the draft stock of either player. They firmly expect Bosa to go in the top 10 and Elliott to be selected in the top 20. Sources don't believe either is a candidate to slide. Teams in the 20s expect Elliott to be long gone, while sources with the Titans have said that Bosa is still in the running for the No. 1 overall pick to Tennessee, but Florida State defensive back Jalen Ramsey is the current leader with the Titans (see below). While teams suspect Bosa and Elliott of using those drugs, they don't have view them as risks like Randy Gregory last year. Teams don't think that Bosa and Elliott are serious candidates to be landing suspensions and testing positive in the NFL. Thus, both should be high draft picks in the 2016 NFL Draft.
 

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I still wouldn't hate Bosa at 4 but I've pretty much narrowed it down to Goff or Ramsey at 4.
 

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I still wouldn't hate Bosa at 4 but I've pretty much narrowed it down to Goff or Ramsey at 4.

Wentz, Goff, Elliott, Bosa, Jack, Ramsey

In that order for me. If they cant get Wentz or Goff, trading down wont hurt my feelings either for a player like Shaq Lawson
 

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Carson Wentz clips up from Gruden's QB school on espn.com

Get him Cowboys. Get him.

What's the name of that show they do this time of year where Mariuchi works with the top QB picks and Irvin works with the top receiver picks? I forgot what it's called. It usually comes on the NFL network

Anyone remember what it's called and when it's on?
 

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Wentz, Goff, Elliott, Bosa, Jack, Ramsey

In that order for me. If they cant get Wentz or Goff, trading down wont hurt my feelings either for a player like Shaq Lawson

That's pretty much how my list would go although replace Bosa with Buckner.

Wentz, Goff, Elliott, Buckner, Jack, Ramsey
 

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I know many on here don't like him, but I still think he could be a quality starter in the right situation.

Will be very curious to hear how he throws tomorrow after reports from the combine said his velocity numbers were low compared to many others, which is strange because he is regarded as having a pretty good arm. His shoulder could still be an issue.


Connor Cook's NFL outlook? Polarizing QB has wide draft range

By Bucky Brooks
NFL Media analyst
Published: March 15, 2016 at 01:22 p.m.
Updated: March 15, 2016 at 06:55 p.m.


The pre-draft process is an intel-gathering mission on prospective employees. And although certain prospects tend to attract groupthink in the scouting community, others generate the varied opinions that come from 32 different franchises with 32 unique approaches to talent evaluation. Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks is taking a closer at some of the most notable -- and polarizing -- prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft, to determine draft range and team fits.

Click here for all of the prospects in this Ceiling/Floor series.

* * * * *

Today's subject: Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook

CEILING: Borderline first/second round -- Denver Broncos (No. 31 overall), Cleveland Browns (No. 32), Dallas Cowboys (No. 34), San Diego Chargers (No. 35), New York Giants (No. 40), Chicago Bears (No. 41).

FLOOR: Bottom of the third round -- Pittsburgh Steelers (No. 89), Arizona Cardinals (No. 92), Denver Broncos (No. 94).

COOK'S PRO DAY: March 16.

What I like

Cook is a classic dropback passer with intriguing physical tools and a winning pedigree. He leaves Michigan State as the winningest quarterback in school history, which is significant, considering the number of current NFL quarterbacks (Kirk Cousins, Brian Hoyer and Drew Stanton) who have played for the Spartans. Cook is a rhythm passer capable of delivering strikes to every area of the field. He not only throws a tight-rope fastball with zip and velocity, but he also shows the ability to throw with touch, timing and anticipation. Cook's capacity to change ball speed and trajectory makes him an ideal fit for a quick-rhythm system that features a number of throws down the seams or between the hashes at intermediate range. In addition, he makes NFL throws to the boundary on "Okies" and comebacks. With Cook adept at making throws outside the numbers, opponents must defend the entire field, from sideline to sideline.

As a game manager, Cook scores high marks for his judgment and ball security. He finished his collegiate career with a 71:22 touchdown-to-interception ratio as a three-year starter for the Spartans. Although numbers can be deceiving, based on the style of play, the fact that Cook directed a pro-style offense that featured "big-boy throws" instead of lay-ups (bubble screens and quicks) speaks volumes about his ability to play winning football from the pocket. In the clutch, Cook has shown exceptional poise, having led the Spartans to six fourth-quarter comeback victories as a starter.

Overall, Cook's strong résumé will make him a hot commodity for teams looking for a "bus driver" with the requisite traits needed to lead them to the winner's circle.

Why the range?

For all of the positive traits Cook displays on the field, scouts question his accuracy and ball-placement skills. He never completed 60 percent of his passes in a season at MSU -- well below the standard for elite QB prospects. On tape, Cook routinely misfires intermediate and vertical throws that should be easy completions for a talented passer. He must make those throws at the next level to help his team sustain drives under his direction.

Questions also persist about Cook's personality and leadership skills, since he wasn't appointed a permanent team captain by his teammates at any point during his tenure. While Sparty cohorts have given Cook positive reviews as a leader since the end of last season, the lack of recognition as the team captain raises red flags in the scouting community. With additional reports regarding Cook's prickly personality and suspect people skills, scouts are delving deep into his character to see if he can handle the responsibility of being a franchise quarterback.

Where would he excel?


Cook is ideally suited to play for a team that already has a strong supporting cast in place. He has learned how to play winning football during his time at Michigan State -- and that experience would help him guide an NFL team to the winner's circle as a game manager early in his career (not necessarily as a rookie).

Teams like the Broncos, Cowboys and Bears would rank as ideal fits, based on their commitment to playing complementary football (strong running game and stingy defense). Cook understands how to play within those guidelines following a three-year run as the Spartans' starter under Mark Dantonio -- in East Lansing, he was expected to take care of the ball and act as a selective playmaker.

If placed in the right situation, Cook will not only win, but he could develop into an upper-echelon quarterback who steadies a franchise for years to come.
 

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I know many on here don't like him, but I still think he could be a quality starter in the right situation.

Will be very curious to hear how he throws tomorrow after reports from the combine said his velocity numbers were low compared to many others, which is strange because he is regarded as having a pretty good arm. His shoulder could still be an issue.


Connor Cook's NFL outlook? Polarizing QB has wide draft range

By Bucky Brooks
NFL Media analyst
Published: March 15, 2016 at 01:22 p.m.
Updated: March 15, 2016 at 06:55 p.m.


The pre-draft process is an intel-gathering mission on prospective employees. And although certain prospects tend to attract groupthink in the scouting community, others generate the varied opinions that come from 32 different franchises with 32 unique approaches to talent evaluation. Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks is taking a closer at some of the most notable -- and polarizing -- prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft, to determine draft range and team fits.

Click here for all of the prospects in this Ceiling/Floor series.

* * * * *

Today's subject: Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook

CEILING: Borderline first/second round -- Denver Broncos (No. 31 overall), Cleveland Browns (No. 32), Dallas Cowboys (No. 34), San Diego Chargers (No. 35), New York Giants (No. 40), Chicago Bears (No. 41).

FLOOR: Bottom of the third round -- Pittsburgh Steelers (No. 89), Arizona Cardinals (No. 92), Denver Broncos (No. 94).

COOK'S PRO DAY: March 16.

What I like

Cook is a classic dropback passer with intriguing physical tools and a winning pedigree. He leaves Michigan State as the winningest quarterback in school history, which is significant, considering the number of current NFL quarterbacks (Kirk Cousins, Brian Hoyer and Drew Stanton) who have played for the Spartans. Cook is a rhythm passer capable of delivering strikes to every area of the field. He not only throws a tight-rope fastball with zip and velocity, but he also shows the ability to throw with touch, timing and anticipation. Cook's capacity to change ball speed and trajectory makes him an ideal fit for a quick-rhythm system that features a number of throws down the seams or between the hashes at intermediate range. In addition, he makes NFL throws to the boundary on "Okies" and comebacks. With Cook adept at making throws outside the numbers, opponents must defend the entire field, from sideline to sideline.

As a game manager, Cook scores high marks for his judgment and ball security. He finished his collegiate career with a 71:22 touchdown-to-interception ratio as a three-year starter for the Spartans. Although numbers can be deceiving, based on the style of play, the fact that Cook directed a pro-style offense that featured "big-boy throws" instead of lay-ups (bubble screens and quicks) speaks volumes about his ability to play winning football from the pocket. In the clutch, Cook has shown exceptional poise, having led the Spartans to six fourth-quarter comeback victories as a starter.

Overall, Cook's strong résumé will make him a hot commodity for teams looking for a "bus driver" with the requisite traits needed to lead them to the winner's circle.

Why the range?

For all of the positive traits Cook displays on the field, scouts question his accuracy and ball-placement skills. He never completed 60 percent of his passes in a season at MSU -- well below the standard for elite QB prospects. On tape, Cook routinely misfires intermediate and vertical throws that should be easy completions for a talented passer. He must make those throws at the next level to help his team sustain drives under his direction.

Questions also persist about Cook's personality and leadership skills, since he wasn't appointed a permanent team captain by his teammates at any point during his tenure. While Sparty cohorts have given Cook positive reviews as a leader since the end of last season, the lack of recognition as the team captain raises red flags in the scouting community. With additional reports regarding Cook's prickly personality and suspect people skills, scouts are delving deep into his character to see if he can handle the responsibility of being a franchise quarterback.

Where would he excel?


Cook is ideally suited to play for a team that already has a strong supporting cast in place. He has learned how to play winning football during his time at Michigan State -- and that experience would help him guide an NFL team to the winner's circle as a game manager early in his career (not necessarily as a rookie).

Teams like the Broncos, Cowboys and Bears would rank as ideal fits, based on their commitment to playing complementary football (strong running game and stingy defense). Cook understands how to play within those guidelines following a three-year run as the Spartans' starter under Mark Dantonio -- in East Lansing, he was expected to take care of the ball and act as a selective playmaker.

If placed in the right situation, Cook will not only win, but he could develop into an upper-echelon quarterback who steadies a franchise for years to come.

cutler part deux in every way. Just take a good hard look at cutler and cook is his clone
 

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Your Picks:
Round 3 Pick 8 (NYG): Trevon Pendleton, FB, Michigan State (F)
Round 4 Pick 6 (BALT): Will Monday, P, Duke (F)
Round 4 Pick 22 (WASH): Ty Darlington, C, Oklahoma (F)
Round 4 Pick 26 (SEA): Trayion Durham, FB, Kent State (F)
Round 4 Pick 30 (ARI): Soma Vainuku, FB, Southern California (D-)
Round 5 Pick 4 (OAK): Sione Houma, FB, Michigan (F)
Round 5 Pick 5 (DEN): Steven Walker, FB, Colorado State (F)
Round 5 Pick 16 (IND): Quayvon Hicks, FB, Georgia (D-)
Round 5 Pick 18 (NYJ): Patrick Skov, FB, Georgia Tech (D-)
Round 5 Pick 20 (HOU): Nick Butier, FB, Northern Arizona (F)
Round 5 Pick 21 (MINN): Joe Kerridge, FB, Michigan (F)
Round 5 Pick 22 (CINN): Jahleel Pinner, FB, Southern California (F)
Round 5 Pick 23 (PHI): Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 25 (G.B.): Tom Hackett, P, Utah (A+)
Round 5 Pick 27 (HOU): Riley Dixon, P, Syracuse (D)
Round 5 Pick 28 (ARI): Peter Mortell, P, Minnesota (F)
Round 5 Pick 29 (CAR): Nick O'Toole, P, West Virginia (F)
Round 5 Pick 30 (DET): Tim Brown, FB, West Chester (F)
Round 6 Pick 1 (CLE): Jeremy Seaton, FB, Oklahoma State (F)
Round 6 Pick 2 (TENN): Landon Foster, P, Kentucky (F)
Round 6 Pick 6 (JAX): Lachlan Edwards, P, Sam Houston State (F)
Round 6 Pick 7 (BALT): Kody Walker, FB, Arkansas (F)
Round 6 Pick 8 (T.B.): Seth Fisher, FB, Richmond (F)
Round 6 Pick 9 (NYG): Jamie Keehn, P, LSU (F)
Round 6 Pick 11 (MIA): Eric Enderson, P, Delaware (F)
Round 6 Pick 13 (PHI): Drew Kaser, P, Texas A&M (D)
Round 6 Pick 14: Cory Carter, P, Texas Southern (F)
Round 6 Pick 17 (BUF): Cason Beatty, P, Florida State (F)
Round 6 Pick 18 (TENN): Ben LeCompte, P, North Dakota State (F)
Round 6 Pick 19 (OAK): Anthony Melchiori, P, Kent State (F)
Round 6 Pick 20 (HOU): Alex Kinal, P, Wake Forest (F)
Round 6 Pick 21 (N.E.): Sam Bergen, FB, Rutgers (F)
Round 6 Pick 22 (T.B.): Garrison Gist, FB, South Carolina (F)
Round 6 Pick 23 (S.D.): Derek Watt, FB, Wisconsin (C)
Round 6 Pick 24 (CINN): Miles Thomas, FB, Minnesota (F)
Round 6 Pick 25 (JAX): Dan Vitale, FB, Northwestern (B)
Round 6 Pick 26 (DET): Dakota Gordon, FB, San Diego State (D-)
Round 6 Pick 30 (ARI): Connor Kacsor, FB, Dayton (F)
Round 6 Pick 31 (CHI): Cody Clay, FB, West Virginia (F)
Round 7 Pick 1 (TENN): Chris Swain, FB, Navy (C-)
Round 7 Pick 2 (CLE): Andy Janovich, FB, Nebraska (F)
Round 7 Pick 3 (S.D.): Andrew Bonnet, FB, North Dakota State (F)
Round 7 Pick 4 (SEA): Alex De La Torre, FB, Texas (F)
Round 7 Pick 5 (JAX): Alan Cross, FB, Memphis (F)
Round 7 Pick 6 (MIA): Ross Martin, K, Duke (D-)
Round 7 Pick 7 (DEN): Marshall Morgan, K, Georgia (D)
Round 7 Pick 8 (PITT): Marshall Koehn, K, Iowa (F)
Round 7 Pick 9 (CHI): Ka'imi Fairbairn, K, UCLA (B-)
Round 7 Pick 10 (MIA): John Wallace, K, Louisville (F)
Round 7 Pick 11 (WASH): John Lunsford, K, Liberty (F)
Round 7 Pick 12 (PHI): Jaden Oberkrom, K, TCU (F)
Round 7 Pick 13 (OAK): Jack Cantele, K, Kansas State (F)
Round 7 Pick 14 (DEN): Ian Frye, K, Virginia (F)
Round 7 Pick 15 (DET): Garrett Schwettman, K, Western Kentucky (F)
Round 7 Pick 16 (N.O.): Brent Wahle, K, Ohio Dominican (F)
Round 7 Pick 18 (IND): Brad Craddock, K, Maryland (F)
Round 7 Pick 19 (MINN): Andrew Baggett, K, Missouri (F)
Round 7 Pick 20 (NYJ): Trae Elston, SS, Ole Miss (C+)
Round 7 Pick 21 (WASH): Tevin Carter, SS, Utah (D-)
Round 7 Pick 22 (N.E.): Tyler Hunter, SS, Florida State (F)
Round 7 Pick 23 (MINN): Wallace Scott, SS, McNeese State (F)
Round 7 Pick 25 (PITT): Rolan Milligan, SS, Toledo (F)
Round 7 Pick 26 (SEA): Stefan McClure, SS, California (F)
Round 7 Pick 29 (N.E.): RJ Williamson, SS, Michigan State (F)
Round 7 Pick 30 (PHI): Qujuan Floyd, SS, Iowa State (F)

Your Future Picks:
2017 Round 1 Pick
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Chargers are taking a serious look at Myles Jack. They had him doing some drills for them according to NFL network

So it looks like there's a good chance they take him

We know the Browns will take a QB unless they pick up Kap or RGIII, so that leaves the Titans probably taking Tunsil or Ramsey

At least we have a good idea of who will probably be left at 4

There was a report on the cowboy app stating that others at VR are trying to talk ole JJ into taking a QB

so at least it's not a done deal yet
 

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Tony would definitely be put out to pasture in 1-2 seasons if that happened instead of 4-5 like JJ keeps saying
 

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And with that OL already in place. They would dominate on offense.
 
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