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It's alot like Obama - if you disagree with him you're a hater. BBgun isn't a Romo hater. I'm not a Romo hater. We just happen to not be wearing rose colored glasses concerning him, and don't bend over and suck his balls defending him at every turn, blaming everything under the sun for his foibles.

We are talking about RoH credentials here and Bates is IN the top ten for Dallas Cowboys safeties.

Hey Man, it's been quoted everywhere. He said it.

Where? What I said was, they would probably put Romobama in the RoH before Bates, and that would be criminal.

Top 10: Ranking Best Cowboys Safeties In Franchise History - Dallas Cowboys.com

No, he is listed as a top ten Dallas SAFETY. Nothing at all to do with his special teams play.

There wasn't any. A treat just for you: Thanks! One of many game changing plays Bates made. Bate's best years were in the 90s. You never saw him play on Jimmy's teams?

He said it about Bates too, can't fault Tom for being nearly senile by that time. Doesn't make him wrong.

Right. A couple less at crucial times, and a couple less fumbles - and maybe just maybe some more points off the turnovers this worst defense ever kept giving the offense, and yeah. This team is 11-5. It's not a fucking stretch to say that.

He is in the top ten of all-time Dallas safeties. He didn't just play special teams.

He is listed in the top ten all time for Dallas safeties, Dallas UDFAs and tied with Tuey and Too Tall for most years played in Dallas. Read the OP - the NFL CREATED A SPOT JUST FOR HIM in the Pro Bowl for fuck's sakes! How many other players have that distinction?

You forgot about his back injury? The broken wrist? The hammy? The thigh?

They sure could have. Not lucky bounces, just less picks and fumbles at crucial moments. The team isn't all as bad as is generally believed.

Ware himself was hurt all season, that's why he wasn't effective.

Bates wasn't good? C'mon now. The Ring of Honor's actual definition goes like this: "The Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor honors former players, coaches and club officials who made outstanding contributions to the Dallas Cowboys football organization." Bates didn't make outstanding contributions?

What the fuck is the ring of honor even about, if Billy Bates doesn't qualify? This is nuts!

A few less turnovers here and there and this team was 11-5, as I have already pointed out. You guys are arguing that Dallas - for no real reason - played 20 DLs, four LBs and four DBs who weren't on the roster on week one? It wasn't injuries driving that?

I can't freaking believe there are people in existence who don't think Bill Bates should be in the Cowboys Ring of Honor. A undrafted free agent, Bates was too small and too slow and was a long shot to make the team but his heart and hustle earned him a roster spot on the team and a place in...

If he doesn't I don't know who the hell does!

He's not THE embodiment of the Cowboys? Highly honorable man off the field, huge overachiever on the field. Teams used to scout for him on special teams, drilling specifically to stop him on kick coverage. Double teaming, everything else. They created a special teams specialist position in the...