2025 Week Eleven: Dallas Cowboys vs. Las Vegas Raiders

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When did Kneeland kill himself? I'm not sure it would have been appropriate even if they wanted to. I get it. T
Yeah good point, although it was Thursday before he did it I think and they were obviously off prior. But had they been "working" I'm sure they would have taken that into account and either closed shop completely or spent the time doing the necessary grief counseling etc etc
 

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I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the Tush-Push. Every team can do the same. Defenders like Parsons don't like it because it makes them useless.

Plus, someone ought to remind Spears that technically there is a hold on just about every NFL play and the refs don't call it. If they put a high-speed camera on the line of scrimmage, I'd bet they'd find there is early movement on just about every play, too. It's not just when the Tush-Push happens but the Tush-Push is being singled out.

To me, it's not much different than when, just as an example, the Niners really popularized the West Coast short passing game (I know it actually started in Cincy).

Most teams in the NFL still had big bruising, stop-the-run, LBs. The LBs couldn't keep up. The Niners had an advantage. I didn't see anyone cry about it. Instead, the West Coast was adopted and modified by many teams.

These are supposedly smart defensive coaches. Find a way to stop it. IDK, use an OL like Tyler Smith to stack the DL with bigger bodies. Figure it out.

I think it is nonsense. I'd rather focus on bullshit like how every ticky-tacky sack seems to be a roughing the passer penalty. Or safeties can no longer enforce the middle, or the pass interference calls are too damn tick-tacky now.

Give the defense a fair playing field in those other areas. Stop allowing a Patrick Mahomes to tease the defense. Take it right to the very last second, and they pop out of bounds (that cost Cincy), but it's a penalty on the defender. Oh, and then Mahomes doesn't take it out of bounds and the defender looks silly.

Go back to the old rules that Fran Tarkenton and Roger Staubach played under. You run, you're fair game. No sliding. You slide, the defender is within a yard, he still gets to pop you. You'll slide no more, but instead lower your shoulder like everyone else.

Those are the things that irritate me far more than the Tush-Push. If they fix those areas then maybe Philly won't be in a position to do the Tush-Push as often.

I think Troy once said, out of frustration, knowing he probably could have played 20 years with these rules. "They might as well put skirts on the QBs" or something to that effect.
I'm not for banning the play (although it really isnt a "football play" anyway). But they do not officiate this properly and many times the false starts or lining up across the LOS are blatantly obvious and it gives them a tremendous advantage. If it were called properly I suspect the Eagles would stop running the play altogether because they wouldn't want to keep losing 5 yds in those situations.
 

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I'm not for banning the play (although it really isnt a "football play" anyway). But they do not officiate this properly and many times the false starts or lining up across the LOS are blatantly obvious and it gives them a tremendous advantage. If it were called properly I suspect the Eagles would stop running the play altogether because they wouldn't want to keep losing 5 yds in those situations.
Just flag it every damn time.
 

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I'm not for banning the play (although it really isnt a "football play" anyway). But they do not officiate this properly and many times the false starts or lining up across the LOS are blatantly obvious and it gives them a tremendous advantage. If it were called properly I suspect the Eagles would stop running the play altogether because they wouldn't want to keep losing 5 yds in those situations.
Well, IDK, I've seen Philly. I don't see where it happens so often. I think people are singling it out. Just like there is a missed PI here and there, or a missed offsides here and there.

How is it not a football play? It's the most basic of football plays. Football historically evolved from rugby. Look it up. It's basically, more or less, a rugby scrum.

Walter Camp is considered the father of American football. He created the game out of Rugby at Yale, I believe.

The forward pass was not originally part of football. "Oh my gosh, they threw it forward. It's not a football play." Instead, they legalized the forward pass and that is really what is credited with saving football from extinction.

In the book The Anatomy of a Game: Football, the Rules, and the Men Who Made the Game
by David M. Nelson, Nelson writes about how "traditionalists" thought the forward pass was not a "football play." It was seen as a gimmick. They saw it as dangerous and leading to incomplete passes and, get this, turnovers!

I really despise this shit of punishing a team for being creative. Learn to stop it. It's not a football play, my ass.

Just because dipshits on TV say it's not a football play doesn't mean that it is not.
 

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Well, IDK, I've seen Philly. I don't see where it happens so often. I think people are singling it out. Just like there is a missed PI here and there, or a missed offsides here and there.

How is it not a football play? It's the most basic of football plays. Football historically evolved from rugby. Look it up. It's basically, more or less, a rugby scrum.

Walter Camp is considered the father of American football. He created the game out of Rugby at Yale, I believe.

The forward pass was not originally part of football. "Oh my gosh, they threw it forward. It's not a football play." Instead, they legalized the forward pass and that is really what is credited with saving football from extinction.

In the book The Anatomy of a Game: Football, the Rules, and the Men Who Made the Game
by David M. Nelson, Nelson writes about how "traditionalists" thought the forward pass was not a "football play." It was seen as a gimmick. They saw it as dangerous and leading to incomplete passes and, get this, turnovers!

I really despise this shit of punishing a team for being creative. Learn to stop it. It's not a football play, my ass.

Just because dipshits on TV say it's not a football play doesn't mean that it is not.
You said it yourself, it's a rugby play. That's not a "football" play.

A bunch of guys scrounged together with other guys pushing from behind (which always used to be a flag by the way, you could not help ball carriers forward advance that way)

They've been running it for a few season now and virtually every game it's run you see an example of this. On a down where they need so little gain anyway, starting early or lining up across the LOS gives them a HUGE advantage to getting what they need.

It's a total bullshit play. Again, I don't really want to see it "banned" but it should be called properly, and it's very clearly not. Hell not only do they miss the false starts and lining up in the neutral zones, but against the Giants a few weeks ago they missed that AND incorrectly ruled Hurts was down instead of an obvious fumble. He was never down nor was a whistle ever blown until well after Hurts fumbled.
 

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Who should play RT instead of Steele?
Probably Thomas, although he admittedly says he is more comfortable on the left side as opposed to the right. But with a week+ of practice there now at RT he probably would perform better than he did v Arizona. He did play pretty well v the Jets at LT.

Rookie Ajani Cornelius is definitely interesting. Might be too soon for him, on the other hand physically he might be so much better than Steele you could live with a mistake or two here or there while he gets his feet wet.
 

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Pickens is definitely one of the better trades Jones has been part of post-Jimmy.

Hope we can keep him long term.

 

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If any team can help Geno Smith look like the greatest QB on the planet it is our Dallas Cowboys. I predict Geno will so off on us like Russell Wilson. Hell he may earn a new contract after the game. I have ZERO confidence in Matt Eberflus run defense.
200 for Jeanty 350 passing for Smith they have an absolutely deadly TE.
 

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After that last game and even with all the new defensive faces the best I can come up with is a low 30s nail biter that "maybe" we can win.
Kind of a coin toss for me honestly.
 

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After that last game and even with all the new defensive faces the best I can come up with is a low 30s nail biter that "maybe" we can win.
Kind of a coin toss for me honestly.
Yep, this team is totally unpredictable.

We know the defense is no good but what should worry us all is how fucking awful the offense was the last two games, especially against a lousy Arizona team who got completely destroyed one week later in Seattle.
 
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