Cowboys 2023 Offseason Thread

[Aggiepride]

With Ronald Jones, Pollard, Dowdle, and Davis I still wouldn't be mad if Bijan fell to 26. He can make plays and Pollard is essentially on a one-year deal.

 

[dbair1967]

With Ronald Jones, Pollard, Dowdle, and Davis I still wouldn't be mad if Bijan fell to 26. He can make plays and Pollard is essentially on a one-year deal.

I'm still very skeptical Pollard is ready to start the season, or effective once he is "ready". And as you say he is basically on a 1yr franchise tag (which to my knowledge, he has not signed yet). He may yet try to force the Cowboys into a long term contract (major mistake IMO if they do) so even if he does get medically cleared, he might be holding out.

If Bijan Robinson is there at 26 (and I don't think he will be) I think they almost have to take him. The odds of anyone else being higher rated there at 26 are very, very slim. It's also a fairly safe pick. He's very talented and is productive in all phases (running, receiving and in a few examples pass protection). He'd be a far less compensated solution at RB than Zeke or Pollard and is likely to be very productive from day one through the end of his 5 (or 6 yrs if franchised) here. At that point you let him leave and move on, but in between you've likely landed a probowl calibar offensive player that will help you control the ball and score TDs.

The other thing it brings into play is the potential of trading Pollard. If Robinson were to come in and look like the answer from day or or early in the season, they could look to move Pollard before the trade deadline and get something back before he leaves as a free agent next yr.

 

[Dodger12]

As I wrote, I was focusing strictly on the blocking. Kelce takes over as a receiver. Kelce is a big receiver, called a TE. A Joker TE.

If we focus solely on the blocking, which is your point about being a turnstile, the fact is so is Kelce. But nobody notices, or cares, because of his superior receiving skills.

If you do trust your eyes, then spend some time watching Kelce's blocking. He isn't very good at it.

Anyway, Dalton is gone, so it doesn't matter. My point is that his blocking was on par with Joker TEs. None of them are very capable blockers. The traditional TE doesn't get the glory. The receiving TE, or Joker TE, does.

Unfortunately for Dalton, he's only a decent receiver. So he's not a traditional TE, nor a Joker TE.

I get what you're saying but Dalton was not some talent that elevated his QB. Dak elevated Schultz and he benefited from being Dak's security blanket. I have no doubt Ferguson/Hendershot/Draft Pick can reproduce Schultz's production and Ferguson improves the running game.

You commented that you hoped Ferguson and Hendershot would be great which is what initially caught my eye. Shultz was never great....not even close. And NFL GM's agree and there's a reason the Cowboys didn't want him back even at less than 9 million.

 

[dbair1967]

Dak elevated Schultz and he benefited from being Dak's security blanket.

Agree with everything you said in the post Amigo except for this part.

I don't think Dak elevates anyone on this team. Schultz's "success" was due to the system itself. I agree with you that he is not great (or close to great) but the way the system was implemented it definitely creates plenty of opportunities for the TE position.

If Jake Ferguson is the primary starter, I have little doubt he'll come very close to duplicating Schultz's numbers, if not exceeding them and overall based on what we saw last yr, I actually believe Ferguson will become a much better player than Schultz was.

 

[icup]

imo drafting a RB in round 1 is a mistake

you need to hit a homerun if you draft RB in the 1st round. you dont 'develop' that guy. hes a game changer right out of the chute

there is such a high risk for injury at the position, w/ plenty of evidence of their longevity (lack thereof)

 

[dbair1967]

imo drafting a RB in round 1 is a mistake

you need to hit a homerun if you draft RB in the 1st round. you dont 'develop' that guy. hes a game changer right out of the chute

there is such a high risk for injury at the position, w/ plenty of evidence of their longevity (lack thereof)

Robinson is a top-10 player on many draft guru boards, wouldn't that constitute a homerun at 26? He was tremendously productive and tested very well at the combine. Has size, speed, receiving skill and quick feet. Seems like the total package for a RB to me.

Why do you think he's a developmental guy?

 

[icup]

Robinson is a top-10 player on many draft guru boards, wouldn't that constitute a homerun at 26? He was tremendously productive and tested very well at the combine. Has size, speed, receiving skill and quick feet. Seems like the total package for a RB to me.

Why do you think he's a developmental guy?

nonono i wasnt saying that robinson was someone you need to develop

i meant a player like a QB. you dont mind taking them in the 1st round knowing they might not play a ton (or at all) in their 1st year.

robinson is obviously a plug and play dude on tape, on paper, in person, etc etc. but shit happens sometimes and they dont translate or get injured. trent richardson, clyde edwards-helaire, sony michel, todd gurley, melvin gordon, fournette, zeke lol

 

[icup]

 

[dbair1967]

nonono i wasnt saying that robinson was someone you need to develop

i meant a player like a QB. you dont mind taking them in the 1st round knowing they might not play a ton (or at all) in their 1st year.

robinson is obviously a plug and play dude on tape, on paper, in person, etc etc. but shit happens sometimes and they dont translate or get injured. trent richardson, clyde edwards-helaire, sony michel, todd gurley, melvin gordon, fournette, zeke lol

Totally agree with last part, but that applies to all positions. You just never know for certain.

Zeke was not anywhere near a flop though, dude had legit HoF numbers after several years in the league. He does not belong on that list of scrubs you listed there.

 

[icup]

Totally agree with last part, but that applies to all positions. You just never know for certain.

Zeke was not anywhere near a flop though, dude had legit HoF numbers after several years in the league. He does not belong on that list of scrubs you listed there.

of course injury applies to all positions but my point is RB is so volatile and theres a lot of turnover throughout the league... why invest 5 years in 1 player like that? unless this is barry sanders or adrian peterson, i dont think a team should do it.

i was half serious on zeke and i acknowledge he wasnt a flop or a bust but he wasnt a home run either. what goes against zeke is how high he was drafted. but either way he's beat up now, hes not coming close to his peak again and he should fall short of the HOF when he retires

 

[Dodger12]

Agree with everything you said in the post Amigo except for this part.

I don't think Dak elevates anyone on this team. Schultz's "success" was due to the system itself. I agree with you that he is not great (or close to great) but the way the system was implemented it definitely creates plenty of opportunities for the TE position.

If Jake Ferguson is the primary starter, I have little doubt he'll come very close to duplicating Schultz's numbers, if not exceeding them and overall based on what we saw last yr, I actually believe Ferguson will become a much better player than Schultz was.

I completely agree, especially with the part about Ferguson. When I say Dak "evelevated" Schultz, it was because Schultz benefited from Dak's inability to read D's and defer to his safety valve (TE).

 

[dbair1967]

Can't read a defense but he loves him some colorful body art

 

[icup]

ask him again at the end of training camp

 

[dbair1967]

He'll be ahead of Bijan on the depth chart for about 20 mins

 

[icup]

if this thing had message baords, we might be top 5

 

[icup]

 

[icup]

 

[dbair1967]

I keep hearing this argument as a reason Prescott throws too many ints or that our receivers arn't doing their jobs.

Now on the flip side, how do they account for all the times we see guys wide open somewhere else on the field, but Prescott doesn't see them and chooses to throw to the guy who's tightly covered or covered by multiple guys, because he doesn't go through progressions very well (or fast enough) or he locks into one part of the field and never looks anywhere else.

It's well documented and Kurt Warner (among others) has CLEARLY shown this is the case too many times per game on a weekly basis.

 

[dbair1967]

 

[dbair1967]