The never-ending POTUS Election thread....

[Doomsday]

Would you take anything that was reported from CNN as truth? I’m guessing no.

Then you are ignorant and haven't been reading my posts here. I'm skeptical of ALL news sources and decide what is fact on a case by case basis. Like everyone should.

 

[Doomsday]

And why is Shapiro dangerous? Because he has a huge platform and when you spread lies

You haven't pointed us to one single lie by him yet. You just keep saying it. We've seen this from you before. It's dishonest.

 

[Dodger12]

Dodger I’ve noticed you mention Dominion a couple of times and I’m wondering if you hear about that theory being debunked? Dominion is actually suing several people for defamation stating those conspiracy theories aren’t true. This article even points out where that theory came from and how the guy that started it had no proof. OAN has since removed their articles about Dominion (according to this article).

Dominion Voting Systems Employee Sues Trump Campaign And Allies, Alleging Defamation https://www.npr.org/2020/12/22/9492...hare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social


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Brother B. You quoted my post about the 94% adjudication rate and asked me about Dominion. But that's cool because I did mention them earlier, albeit in a secondary role. Dominion threatened to sue OAN, Fox, Breitbart and all right leaning media so they all made statements denying knowledge of Dominion cheating or something to that effect. Even Newsmax did the same. So what? Does that prove their aren't any issues with the machines?

The one audit in Michigan raised some concerns. A lot of politicians, even on the left, had serious concerns about Dominion. Texas claimed Dominion was susceptible to fraud and hacking so they turned them down as an election machine. Dominion has some explaining to do and they'll have to pony up discovery, to include their communications. I don't believe they will. I firmly believe they'll destroy e-mails and text messages and Lord knows what else. But how does them filing suit negate the issues that people have testified to?

 

[Dodger12]

So is Twitter the only means of obtaining information? In today’s world if there was legit proof it would have come out. It hasn’t.

And why is Shapiro dangerous? Because he has a huge platform and when you spread lies you will have people that buy into those lies and before you know it you have incidents like what happened at the Capitol.


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Why are they lies? What qualified you to claim a Harvard educated man is spreading lies? You and I disagree on a lot of things but do I feel you're spreading lies or should be banned form Twitter, YouYube or wherever? I mean, MSM claimed the Hunter laptop story was Russian disinformation. That was a lie. They claimed the Russia Hoax was real. That's proven to be a lie. Should the same standards apply to them and they should be banned/cancelled?

And Twitter isn't the only means of news but it is a large part of it. They are protected by Section 230 and claim to not be publishers yet they police opinions they don't like. I have no issue if they want to cancel people, but they're deciding what is true and what is not under the protection of Section 230. And then they work with Amazon and Apple to destroy other right wing social media sites like Parler.

I don't want left wing sites taken down but that should work both ways. Parler is dangerous yet you can find vile things on Google and Twitter. Come on buddy, I know you're smarter than that.

 

[yimyammer]

94% of 113,130 ballots were adjudicated

I'll try to read what you posted at some point but its exhausting to keep up with and also exhausting trying to determine if the various sites referenced are reliable sources of information (not just from you but from anyone)

If in fact this many ballots were adjudicated, that gives me pause but the bigger issue is the destruction of the original ballot being adjudicated. If the original ballot was completely destroyed then unless there are incredibly compelling reasons to justify destroying said ballots then every reasonable human being should adamantly oppose destroying these ballots regardless of which candidate one supports

I trust nothing of what they say. Show me.

I agree and feel the news has let us down by not doing an in depth show walking everyone through the process with actual examples.

IIUC, this video claims there are paper ballots for every vote in Georgia:





Are you saying Gabriel Sterling and Brad Raffensperger are in on the fix and despite claiming they voted for Trump (& Republicans) are lying?

I try to bring a healthy amount of skepticism toward everything and 60 Minutes has never struck me as extremely biased, certainly not like places like CNN, so their stories have some merit in my estimation

 

[yimyammer]

You haven't pointed us to one single lie by him yet. You just keep saying it. We've seen this from you before. It's dishonest.

evidence is tedious and boring, gotta go!

 

[Doomsday]

evidence is tedious and boring, gotta go!

"Truth is fun, can be anything we want and connotates a moral superiority. Facts are pesky, got no time for those. They can't be anything we want. They bore me."

 

[Dodger12]

I'll try to read what you posted at some point but its exhausting to keep up with and also exhausting trying to determine if the various sites referenced are reliable sources of information (not just from you but from anyone)

If in fact this many ballots were adjudicated, that gives me pause but the bigger issue is the destruction of the original ballot being adjudicated. If the original ballot was completely destroyed then unless there are incredibly compelling reasons to justify destroying said ballots then every reasonable human being should adamantly oppose destroying these ballots regardless of which candidate one supports



I agree and feel the news has let us down by not doing an in depth show walking everyone through the process with actual examples.

IIUC, this video claims there are paper ballots for every vote in Georgia:





Are you saying Gabriel Sterling and Brad Raffensperger are in on the fix and despite claiming they voted for Trump (& Republicans) are lying?

I try to bring a healthy amount of skepticism toward everything and 60 Minutes has never struck me as extremely biased, certainly not like places like CNN, so their stories have some merit in my estimation

Go back and look at the interview with Leslie Stahl and Trump. Trump told her it would be months before we knew who was president, that there might be wide-spread fraud, that the paper ballots were ripe for fraud. To be honest, I didn't understand what he was saying but darn if he wasn't right. 60 minutes is left leaning.

There are paper ballots for every voter in case they have malfunctions of the voting machines. It's a back up and it was used during the run offs where Dominion mysteriously had issues in....wait for it....wait for it......Republican precincts.

Chris Krebs has proven to be a hack and the claims he made were debunked. But even if we believe there were no issues with Dominion, why is there such a fight and opposition to conduct a machine audit? It gets back to my original point. Why so much push back? Why did we find issues in Wisconsin in the one county where some red flags were raised after an audit of the Dominion machine? Why were the audit logs deleted for this election but we still have them from past elections?

These are public officials who answer to the people. Why are they so opposed to looking at the machines? Why are they so opposed to looking at the issues that people raised. I'd rather hire an independent company to do an impartial audit and spend some money to give the people some answers, as opposed to sending money to Pakistan to do gender studies in a country that stones gay people. But that's just me.

 

[yimyammer]

Why are they so opposed to looking at the machines? Why are they so opposed to looking at the issues that people raised. I'd rather hire an independent company to do an impartial audit

I've always had a problem with the hand waiving of any questions surrounding this or any election, they should be constantly under scrutiny.

I used to work as an auditor for Deloitte & Touche and would love to see several of the top firms like D&T do various audits and test samples and issue reports like they do for financial statements and make them all public.

Part of our job beyond the audit was to recommend improvements and changes to existing procedures, separation of duties, etc to ensure more accurate and reliable reporting going forward, they could do this as well but of course politics would come into play and all sides would be jockeying for what benefits their side more than fighting for what's best...I despise our political environment and what does to everyone involved

On the one hand I feel there is room for fraud in every election but on the other hand I have no faith in government, beaurcrats and bureaucracies to be coordinated enough to pull off a fraud of a magnitude sufficient to change the results without something going wrong, whistle blowers coming to light, etc, etc.

I know for a fact there was voter fraud done by people who obtained a paper ballot and voted for another person who was incapable or possibly even unaware. I think I mentioned this before but I know of someone who voted for a lady that is 80+ years old and not in the mental condition to be able to vote and her vote went for Trump (which there's a decent chance she would have voted that way but thats not the point). This is one of many reasons why I have a real problem with paper ballots as parents could be voting for their apathetic kids as another example, we could go on and on.

So, like you, I am really disappointed everyone seems to just hand waive off any concern abut the election, especially over paper ballots and think there needs to be a serious rethinking of how paper ballots take place and to what extent going forward.

 

[Scot]

So when Mr. B says that there were not enough fraudulent votes to change election results, how can he definitively make that statement? He can't; but he's just repeating the left wing talking points and taking it at face value.

When 106,000 ballots out of 113,000 (94%) are adjudicated, that's outrageous. Simply unacceptable. So when any politician gets up and tells me there was no fraud, I need them to explain this to me. It's physically impossible. A recount is going to count the same 94% of adjudicated ballots.

These adjudicated ballots were more than enough to change the election results in GA. This doesn't even take into account any Dominion issues, or dead people who voted, or out of state people who voted, etc.

I'm getting agitated just typing this BS it's so outrageous that it boggles the mind. Can anyone offer an explanation why 94% of ballots would need to be adjudicated?

The worst part of all this is that the states own election regulations allow for a maximum percentage of ballots to be adjudicated. I don’t remember the number but it was extremely low. Somewhere below 2% I believe.

And here we have 94%

And 68% in Georgia I believe.

But none of that seems to matter!

They have exceeded their own states allowances and regulations but no one is holding them to their own election laws.

 

[This Bud's 4U]

Honestly Trump’s legal team kind of screwed their own credibility when Giuliani brought that drunk blonde lady up as a witness. If she was the type of witnesses they were bringing up its easy to see why they are just being dismissed. You’re witnesses have to be credible. Not only that but the number of potentially fraudulent votes have to be enough to swing the vote. They haven’t been able to prove that. Again if they did the SCOTUS would have been all over this, but that didn’t happen. It also didn’t help when Trump was caught telling the person in Georgia to “find votes”. That also wasn’t a good look and pretty much discredited any argument he may have had.

At this point the whole argument is moot. Trump is gone. Your life isn’t going to end, and the sky isn’t going to fall. In 4 years you will have a chance again to vote for whoever your next guy will be. It’s no different than it was for people on the left (or for those that didn’t want Trump) 4 years ago. At the end of the day everyone here will be fine and your day to day lives will change very little.


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M'kay, I get it now....You're not even serious....You're just a low rent troll in search of attention.....And you're not even good at it.

At this point, this Mr. B has more credibility than you...

 

[This Bud's 4U]

There is fraud every year. There was likely fraud this year on both sides. Was it enough to swing the vote one way, I highly doubt it. I also believe there was fraud 4 years ago. Did my life end? No. I moved on and when I got the opportunity again to vote I did.


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Riiiiight.

Over 205,000 more votes than total ballots cast in PA.

Nearly 78,000 more votes than total ballots cast in NV.

Well over 100,000 ballots, with no verifiable chains of custody, show up to be counted with no witnesses in Detroit and Milwaukee, in the wee hours of 4 Nov.

Video from the State Farm Center in Atlanta showing at least 30K unsecured ballots being wheeled out from under tables to be counted no fewer than three times, after all observers had been removed.

Time and time again, every "coincidence"and "anomaly" fall to the favor of only one candidate.

But none of that was enough to change the results.

Yeah....You suck as a troll.

 

[Scot]

Alright guys, this conversation has become fairly boring to me so I’m going to excuse myself from it.


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Actually MrB, what is boring is your inability to provide a single fact to support any of your CNN talking points! You pulled that shit before with the Trump is a racist topic, and you are pulling it again now.

That is your method of operation. Hop into a thread, spew forth some bullshit CNN talking point, then refuse to provide a single fact to support your CNN headline, sorry, I meant opinion.

C’mon man, gimme a break as your hero Mr. Magoo would say

 

[Dodger12]

And this is why unions fail. Any idiot with half a brain knew Biden was going to go after fracking and the Keystone Pipeline. Biden's own words during the primaries and then his flip flop during the debates should have been a red flag. Biden did what what Biden has told everyone he would do. The real losers are the unions who continue to endorse Dems even though Dems have destroyed union jobs.

3 Unions That Endorsed Biden Blast His 'Insulting and Disappointing' First Move in White House

Good, he deserves it.

thefederalistpapers.org

 

[Dodger12]

I've always had a problem with the hand waiving of any questions surrounding this or any election, they should be constantly under scrutiny.

I used to work as an auditor for Deloitte & Touche and would love to see several of the top firms like D&T do various audits and test samples and issue reports like they do for financial statements and make them all public.

Part of our job beyond the audit was to recommend improvements and changes to existing procedures, separation of duties, etc to ensure more accurate and reliable reporting going forward, they could do this as well but of course politics would come into play and all sides would be jockeying for what benefits their side more than fighting for what's best...I despise our political environment and what does to everyone involved

On the one hand I feel there is room for fraud in every election but on the other hand I have no faith in government, beaurcrats and bureaucracies to be coordinated enough to pull off a fraud of a magnitude sufficient to change the results without something going wrong, whistle blowers coming to light, etc, etc.

I know for a fact there was voter fraud done by people who obtained a paper ballot and voted for another person who was incapable or possibly even unaware. I think I mentioned this before but I know of someone who voted for a lady that is 80+ years old and not in the mental condition to be able to vote and her vote went for Trump (which there's a decent chance she would have voted that way but thats not the point). This is one of many reasons why I have a real problem with paper ballots as parents could be voting for their apathetic kids as another example, we could go on and on.

So, like you, I am really disappointed everyone seems to just hand waive off any concern abut the election, especially over paper ballots and think there needs to be a serious rethinking of how paper ballots take place and to what extent going forward.

I haven't looked to verify but I heard Pelosi's first bill that she introduced would make this election process permanent, thus ensuring a one party state. There are huge issues going forward for the country and everyone should be asking questions and scrutinizing the election to ensure its integrity.

 

[InternetKing]

Judge Grants 'Zip Tie Guy' Eric Munchel Pretrial Release

The Department of Justice believes Munchel to be a flight risk and a danger to the community, but the judge disagreed.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Dodger12]

From IK's article:

This guy will never be found guilty of violent entry and a host of other charges. There are videos where Capital Police opened the doors and even lead people into the chamber. The zip ties are a problem and makes you wonder what this nut thought he was going to do int he Capital? But these are the loons that are out there.......and they're well armed.

"On Wednesday, the DOJ submitted a court filing mentioning that Munchel and his mother had stashed weapons outside of the Capitol on January 6 before entering the building. Investigators also found his a home arsenal which included 15 firearms, including assault rifles, a sniper rifle with a tripod, other rifles, shotguns, pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

Munchel was arrested on January 10 and is facing federal charges of knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, violent entry, disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, conspiracy and civil disorder. His court hearing is set for February 22."

 

[Dodger12]

I should have been clearer. The first part was my opinion and the quoted part was from the article.

 

[Dodger12]

The left are pussies (except Mr. B). These people are hard core......and they're out there.

Nashville bartender busted for Capitol mob attack; his mom accompanied him

Eric Gavelek Munchel, 30, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.

www.nydailynews.com

“We wanted to show that we’re willing to rise up, band together and fight if necessary. Same as our forefathers, who established this country in 1776. It was a kind of flexing of muscles,” Munchel, a Nashville bartender, told the subscription-only Times of London."

"Lisa Eisenhart, Munchel’s mother, told the news outlet that “the left has everything: the media, organizations, the government. We have to organize if we’re going to fight back and be heard.”

“This country was founded on revolution,” she added, according to the Daily Mail. “If they’re going to take every legitimate means from us, and we can’t even express ourselves on the internet, we won’t even be able to speak freely, what is America for?"

“I’d rather die as a 57-year-old woman than live under oppression. I’d rather die and would rather fight.”

 

[Creeper]

At the end of the day each person is responsible for their own happiness and well being. Who the POTUS is isn’t going to make a difference one way or the other.

And I did consider not coming back, you know with Dooms eliminating my right to free speech and all (sarcasm). Lol!


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Tells this to the 1000 unions guys building the Keystone XL pipeline that were laid off yesterday.