I already hate Carson Wentz

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Carson Wentz: Cool to meet a legend, icon such as Jerry Jones

By Drew Davison
ddavison@star-telegram.com
MOBILE, Ala. —

Jerry Jones created a social media buzz on Wednesday, making it a point to say hi and briefly meet with North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz.

The Dallas Cowboys are looking to improve the quarterback position after three backups combined to go 1-11 with Tony Romo sidelined, and Wentz is gaining steam as a possible fit.

That speculation only grew with Jones’ encounter with Wentz, who is on the North team roster that is coached by the Cowboys’ staff.

“It was cool,” Wentz said of meeting Jones. “Obviously, you see a legend, icon like Jerry Jones, it’s really cool to get to meet him.

“I didn’t recognize him right away because he had his hat on, sunglasses on, he was trying to be discreet, but you all found him. So it was cool to meet him and just say hey real quick.”

Despite that encounter, Jones said that the Cowboys are not in a position where they have to draft a quarterback. He left open the possibility of the Cowboys using the free agent market to fill the void, or other routes.

But it’s clear the Cowboys are doing their homework on the quarterbacks in this year’s class, and it’s a plus they are getting a first-hand look at Wentz.

There might not be a better staff to judge, either. Head coach Jason Garrett and quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson are former quarterbacks in the league, and offensive coordinator Scott Linehan played the position in college.

“They’re very intelligent,” Wentz said. “You can tell that they know the game.”

Read more here: Carson Wentz: Cool to meet a legend, icon such as Jerry Jones | The Star-Telegram

 

[Dodger12]

Wentz scares me but this staff's inability to identify QB talent scares me even more. Right now, Wentz is the pretties girl in a small school prom and that's not saying much. His QB competition is limited. My concern is that this staff and fake GM will fall in love with Wentz and overlook Goff or Lynch and talk themselves out of taking a potentially better QB. I just have no faith in this coaching staff and Jerry to pick the right guy.

And don't think for second one of Wentz's positives is that he's a red headed ginger. Garrett's probably fawning all over him for it.

 

[dbair1967]

The GM fell in love with Manziel two yrs ago, what happened then?

I still don't know that I buy into the "this staff cant identify QB talent". They've drafted one guy in 10 yrs and 2 guys in the last 15. Not sure how you can pen that on the staff as much as the organization as a whole. They just haven't invested in the position.

Now if they had drafted a half dozen guys and none worked out, I'd agree.

 

[MrB]

Man, some of you guys really hate gingers huh? Personally I don't give a crap what color his hair is. As long as the guy can play and handle the pressure. So far he's been able to do that.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Man, some of you guys really hate gingers huh?

Just one really...

 

[Dodger12]

I still don't know that I buy into the "this staff cant identify QB talent". They've drafted one guy in 10 yrs and 2 guys in the last 15. Not sure how you can pen that on the staff as much as the organization as a whole. They just haven't invested in the position.

Identifying QB talent is not just drafting one but identifying an existing QB to be a back-up. With the exception of Jon Kitna, what do we have to show for it? Brad Noodle Arm Johnson? Weeden? Cassel? McGee?

Sure it's a failure of the organization as a whole but but Garrett is far from blameless.

 

[Scot]

It's not just the QB position they can't identify talent with. Look at our revolving door of running backs this year, look at our tight ends behind Witten, hell - look at pretty much any position beyond our starters, and for the most part look at a majority of our starters too. Our secondary is a joke besides Jones. They got lucky with him. I believe he will be a top safety eventually.

They can't evaluate talent at any level

 

[NoShame]

Man, some of you guys really hate gingers huh?

Can't trust them

 

[MrB]

Identifying QB talent is not just drafting one but identifying an existing QB to be a back-up. With the exception of Jon Kitna, what do we have to show for it? Brad Noodle Arm Johnson? Weeden? Cassel? McGee?

Sure it's a failure of the organization as a whole but but Garrett is far from blameless.

You must have forgot about Matt Moore and Kyle Orton. They also identified both of them.

 

[MrB]

It's not just the QB position they can't identify talent with. Look at our revolving door of running backs this year, look at our tight ends behind Witten, hell - look at pretty much any position beyond our starters, and for the most part look at a majority of our starters too. Our secondary is a joke besides Jones. They got lucky with him. I believe he will be a top safety eventually.

They can't evaluate talent at any level

That's total BS. They also identified Demarco Murray in the 3rd round and he won a rushing title 2 years ago. You must have forgot about that. They also identified 3 All-Pro linemen. Not to mention Leary and Collins as undrafted guys. Leary is about to get paid and Collins looks like he could be a future All Pro. As for the TE's I still say that it's because of Witten that no other TE's have had success in Dallas. There are a slew of TE's across the NFL that have been solid TE's but had no success in Dallas... Fasano, Chandler, Phillips, and Bennett. The problem has not been finding a good TE the problem is that Witten is so damn good and reliable that he almost never comes off the field and never misses games.

As far as on the defensive side they also identified Scandrick (who has played well his entire time in Dallas), Sean Lee, Hitchens, Ware, and Ratliff. Hell even Newman and Pacman have had long career since leaving Dallas. The problem is not identifying talent. The problem is coaching and circumstance (in the TE's case).

 

[Scot]

They do occasionally get one right or get lucky. But..... Did they get one right with DM? They let DM walk for two reasons, they didn't want to pay him what he was worth on the open market and they thought that they had the RB position covered with the talent they had on the roster. They were wrong. Meaning they can't properly evaluate the RB position. See Dunbar, Randall, Turbin, CMike and Rod Smith for examples. So we're they right about DM? See all his previous seasons in Dallas and his last season with Philly for your answer. He has been an average player at best except for his one breakout or should I say fluke of a year in 2014 which was his contract year. Of course he is going to play his best football in a contract year to increase his value. Just look at every other year of his career to see what kind of player he really is

First off Parcells picked up Ware, not Garret. It was the same situation with him, look at our pass rush since. See the Green Bay loss in the playoffs in 2014. We couldn't sack or put enough pressure on the gimpy one legged Rodgers all damn game. That game showed our glaring inability to evaluate talent at a specific position. Had Ware still of been on our team that game might have had a very different outcome.

As for Collins that was no great example of talent evaluation, everyone had him going as a top pick, but his being a suspect in the murder of his GF scared every other team away. We didn't have the foresight to draft him, nor did anyone else. Jerry just had the balls to jump on him the second he was cleared in the investigation

You are right about one thing, it is also the coaching. No disputing that point! It's a combination of both the coaching and our failures to properly evaluate players that have created this perennial 8-8 team

 

[Iamtdg]

Just one really...

Yep.

 

[cmd34]

That's total BS. They also identified Demarco Murray in the 3rd round and he won a rushing title 2 years ago. You must have forgot about that. They also identified 3 All-Pro linemen. Not to mention Leary and Collins as undrafted guys. Leary is about to get paid and Collins looks like he could be a future All Pro. As for the TE's I still say that it's because of Witten that no other TE's have had success in Dallas. There are a slew of TE's across the NFL that have been solid TE's but had no success in Dallas... Fasano, Chandler, Phillips, and Bennett. The problem has not been finding a good TE the problem is that Witten is so damn good and reliable that he almost never comes off the field and never misses games.

As far as on the defensive side they also identified Scandrick (who has played well his entire time in Dallas), Sean Lee, Hitchens, Ware, and Ratliff. Hell even Newman and Pacman have had long career since leaving Dallas. The problem is not identifying talent. The problem is coaching and circumstance (in the TE's case).

Giving them credit for "identifying" La'el Collins as an UDFA is a bit much there fan boy...

The Offensive Linemen thing is well documented a well. They panicked, traded down, and took Frederick because he had the highest 2nd round grade of anyone on their board. Martin was their 4th choice, and if you listen to Jerry, 5th choice. They do get credit for identifying Tyron Smith as an elite prospect and resisting the chance to trade down with Jacksonville that year.

You keep pretending the Cowboys are nailing it and have just been really unlucky for 20 years. Pay no attention to the franchises who have built Super Bowl contenders, fell off, and rebuilt Super Bowl contenders in that time.

 

[Dodger12]

You must have forgot about Matt Moore and Kyle Orton. They also identified both of them.

Really? They waived Matt Moore who was picked up by another team. How exactly does that prove your point? It just shows the opposite.

And Orton was another bum in a long line of bums.

 

[Dodger12]

That's total BS. They also identified Demarco Murray in the 3rd round and he won a rushing title 2 years ago. You must have forgot about that. They also identified 3 All-Pro linemen. Not to mention Leary and Collins as undrafted guys. Leary is about to get paid and Collins looks like he could be a future All Pro. As for the TE's I still say that it's because of Witten that no other TE's have had success in Dallas. There are a slew of TE's across the NFL that have been solid TE's but had no success in Dallas... Fasano, Chandler, Phillips, and Bennett. The problem has not been finding a good TE the problem is that Witten is so damn good and reliable that he almost never comes off the field and never misses games.

As far as on the defensive side they also identified Scandrick (who has played well his entire time in Dallas), Sean Lee, Hitchens, Ware, and Ratliff. Hell even Newman and Pacman have had long career since leaving Dallas. The problem is not identifying talent. The problem is coaching and circumstance (in the TE's case).

I can go on all day with this post but I don't have the time or patience to deal with stupidity. Yes, they hit on OL in the first round. Big deal.....go back and look at their recent drafts or even go back further and you'll see that we did very little after the top of the draft. We rely on paying another team's late round "gems" like Hardy and Carr but we just can't find our own. But keep going back 10 plus years to dig up the Ratliff's and Wares (that were drafted under another regime).......

So the reason the TE's don't perform here is because of Witten? The problem is Witten? Why not point to the GM and coaching staff? Then why were they picked in the first place? Why spend a 2nd round pick multiple times on a position that won't play? This logic is asinine.

 

[Dodger12]

Anyone that can look at our recent drafts and defend them is blind. The lack of depth is frightening and one of the main reasons we're in the situation we're in.

Dallas Cowboys All-Time Draft History | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[junk]

I forgot how bad 2009 was. Not a single worthwhile player out of that turd fest.

 

[cmd34]

I forgot how bad 2009 was. Not a single worthwhile player out of that turd fest.

What's worse was our strategy. Teams knew it was a crappy draft yet Jerry kept trading down, picking up multiple picks.

 

[MrB]

They do occasionally get one right or get lucky. But..... Did they get one right with DM? They let DM walk for two reasons, they didn't want to pay him what he was worth on the open market and they thought that they had the RB position covered with the talent they had on the roster. They were wrong. Meaning they can't properly evaluate the RB position. See Dunbar, Randall, Turbin, CMike and Rod Smith for examples. So we're they right about DM? See all his previous seasons in Dallas and his last season with Philly for your answer. He has been an average player at best except for his one breakout or should I say fluke of a year in 2014 which was his contract year. Of course he is going to play his best football in a contract year to increase his value. Just look at every other year of his career to see what kind of player he really is

First off Parcells picked up Ware, not Garret. It was the same situation with him, look at our pass rush since. See the Green Bay loss in the playoffs in 2014. We couldn't sack or put enough pressure on the gimpy one legged Rodgers all damn game. That game showed our glaring inability to evaluate talent at a specific position. Had Ware still of been on our team that game might have had a very different outcome.

As for Collins that was no great example of talent evaluation, everyone had him going as a top pick, but his being a suspect in the murder of his GF scared every other team away. We didn't have the foresight to draft him, nor did anyone else. Jerry just had the balls to jump on him the second he was cleared in the investigation

You are right about one thing, it is also the coaching. No disputing that point! It's a combination of both the coaching and our failures to properly evaluate players that have created this perennial 8-8 team

It's funny how you pick out players that serve your argument but failed to address they guys they hit on.

I really get a kick out of all the doom and gloom guys on this board. It's like you're rooting for them to fail. I completely understand that since Jimmy left things have been pretty bad. You guys seem to hope they do worse this coming year than they did this past year.

I know for a fact though that if by some miracle they finish with a top seed and do well this year all of you will be talking about how you knew this year was going to be great.

I really hope you guys aren't as "glass is half empty" in your lives off this board.

 

[Scot]

It's funny how you pick out players that serve your argument but failed to address they guys they hit on.

I really get a kick out of all the doom and gloom guys on this board. It's like you're rooting for them to fail. I completely understand that since Jimmy left things have been pretty bad. You guys seem to hope they do worse this coming year than they did this past year.

I know for a fact though that if by some miracle they finish with a top seed and do well this year all of you will be talking about how you knew this year was going to be great.

I really hope you guys aren't as "glass is half empty" in your lives off this board.

I gave credit where credit was due earlier in the thread with Jones who was our first rounder. He seems to be good and should only get better with more playing time.

Our second rounder Gregory looked great in pre season. Then he had his high ankle sprain and never looked the same since. I hope he comes in to TC a little heavier/stronger and 100% healthy. If he does that I feel he can have a great season this year.

If you look back at all of the drafts since Jason was given the HC position only the first two picks of each year still with the team or are starters. The rest are gone or it's a where are they now type situation. Except for last years draft. Most were still on the team but not starters at the end of the season. I suspect we won't see anything from any of them this upcoming season ether. That's if they don't get cut

As for the o-line we seem to be able to pick a good lineman. But as for evaluating the skill positions... Well that is where we fail