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Before last year sure. But after he broke E Smiths single season record ppl were touting him as the next coming of Christ

He had one good year which was a fluke. He will never again have a year with numbers anywhere close to what he did last year. Especially not at PHI

But ppl were crucifying JJ for not signing him and wanting him to give up the farm to keep him

Not here on this forum I'm sure but all over Facebook every fifth update was something to do with Murray which would gamer 1k replies saying please sign DM and franchise tag Dez or visa versa

I think the vast majority of level headed people were like me, wanted to keep but not at ANY price.

The Cowboys tried to keep him, he wanted more money. cant fault him for that but he went to the fucking Taliban and into an offense he doesn't fit which shows he probably isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Hate the guy now and wish he'd fumble every damn carry.
 
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so would the Cowboys FO if there weren't this thing called a "salary cap"
They easily could have signed Dez to the contract that he got last season and then tagged Murray. They wanted to play hardball with both and it bit em.
 

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It came down to one of two things

Either Murray just cared about the money and doesn't care about winning Super Bowls

Or

Chip is a great salesman and somehow convinced DM that PHI could win their first super bowl with his help. Even when their history proves otherwise
 

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They easily could have signed Dez to the contract that he got last season and then tagged Murray. They wanted to play hardball with both and it bit em.

Murray was not worth what the franchise tag price would have been.
 

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It came down to one of two things

Either Murray just cared about the money and doesn't care about winning Super Bowls

Or

Chip is a great salesman and somehow convinced DM that PHI could win their first super bowl with his help. Even when their history proves otherwise

He wanted the money, plain and simple. I don't blame him for taking more money.

But any idiot could see he doesn't fit that style of run game. He could have stayed in Dallas for what we offered, had no state income tax and gotten far more endorsement deal offers than what he will ever get there in Taliban land.
 
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Did seem rather flippant about Murray as if a Murray could be found anywhere. Other than his injury history (which I realize is a big deal) a complete RB like Murray is hard to find. Physical runner? Check. Speed? Check (4.41/40 made him the fastest player on the offense last year), pass protection? Check. Yards after contact? 2.6. Check. Receiving? 57 receptions last year. Check.

Seems to be more expensive, time consuming or costly whether draft picks or trying to sift the Murray part of the offense into Dunbar, Randle and whomever.

So far this year, Murray's rushing yards are about the same as Randles and Murray's receiving yards would make him tied for 3rd receptions on the team (which is Dunbar's production) and there is no need to replace Murray in short yardage or goal line with a beefier or more physical player.

Just doesn't make sense that the Dallas FO would be that disingenuous about keeping Murray considering that it may be much more work and maybe even cost trying to assemble a running game and committee without him. Seems specious.

If we are operating under the presumption that there was an intelligent plan for this year AND the FO knows what they are doing then there is a good chance that the running game and style from Murray's big year was just not in the plans for this year. Seems just like the LaGarrette Blount comment that Stephen Jones made points to a "well, if we want to find a running game, we will just sign a runner like the Patriots did" mentality. Still, why would you let your third best receiver go too, except that maybe Murray represented a WCO type pass receiving RB with 57 receptions for only 7.3 yards per reception and they were looking for a Marshall Faulk type?

The Murray decision just doesn't make sense. Big blunder or just planning an offense without a Murray? Either one is regrettable.
 

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There's no doubt it was pure hubris. Steve thought he could put anyone back there.

Plus it seems like we were all full up with pet cats: Jerry was bragging last year that Randle could have done the same thing as Murray if he had the chance. We know he's always had a crush on McFadden. And the coaches have always loved Dunbar, although this is the first year he's done anything. Steve acted like his non-Manziel guy Zack Martin could make a line and a running back by himself.

But the decision was almost made when we overworked Murray during the year. The best thing would have been to not keep playing him late in blowouts and bring him back. But it seems like on this team if a player wants to play, he plays.
 
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Murray was not worth what the franchise tag price would have been.
Debatable. I certainly wouldn't have minded it. And it could have led them to agree to a multi-year deal that was more team-friendly, a la Dez's situation.
 
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Debatable. I certainly wouldn't have minded it. And it could have led them to agree to a multi-year deal that was more team-friendly, a la Dez's situation.

It's the "worth" part that has really become debatable. Letting go a one-trick speed rusher who is losing a step is one thing. Letting go of a MBIII who was punishing in the past but is not so much now, is also understandable. But a running back that takes 3 different kinds of runners to replace the most recent and current output kind of obviates any argument against the "worth". Jonathan Bales from DCtimes.com and a former writer for dc.com prophesied, at the time Randle was drafted, all the maladaptive issues that Joseph Randle eventually would have and currently has if he were put in a prominent rushing role. But like our own resident BoZone reasoned, 6.7 ypc seems like "the running game will be alright" with Randle. But as Mark Friedman stated this afternoon, Randle's only role that he has proven and is capable of is just a few snaps here and there to give the main rusher a rest. The reasoning that Terrance Williams, Brandon Weeden, Devin Streets and Joseph Randle are somehow stop gaps or insurance policies for any Dez, Romo, Harris, and Murray loss is a complete lack of talent evaluation and football sense.

Worth is the complete issue. Replacement should be equal or better than the original, or the team should make arrangements not to let them go.
 

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But a running back that takes 3 different kinds of runners to replace the most recent and current output kind of obviates any argument against the "worth".
I'd remembered the articles and stories about Murray working closely with Witten on conditioning and repair, and diet and all, longevity.... made me think perhaps he would have been worth keeping one more year on franchise tag if nothing else..

Sure could use a decent running back right about four weeks ago.
 
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