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Yeah no doubt Biden will look bad in that but hopefully they start pressing these idiots on their nonsensical tax "plan" where they slash taxes, have no realistic plan for cutting spending and then expect the budget to magically balance itself because slashed taxes = more jobs.

Except for the fact that that's never true.

You are just like your clueless CIC

Keep saying something that isnt true and hope everyone believes it.

The problem with liberals is they dont understand simple economic ideas. This was something Reagan nailed iduring his time.
 

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See Chris Wallace grilling Ryan on his "revenue-neutral" plan. Fucking morons. Are any of you paying any attention to any of this? They keep talking about their plan but when pressed on their ideas that don't make any sense they have no answer, or want to answer it after they get elected. So what is anyone voting for them for except that they're not the black guy?
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Of course, there is good reason for not telling the American people how the Romney-Ryan tax plan would be made revenue neutral. As nonpartisan, independent analysts have shown, fulfilling the requirements of the tax plan and keeping it revenue neutral would necessitate a large increase in how much middle-class Americans pay in taxes every year.

And...noone cares.

tbh it's a fucking travesty that you people are allowed to vote.
 

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It's slated to be about foreign and domestic policy. Sounds kind of all-emcompassing.

Candy Crowley of CNN :eyeroll: is scheduled to moderate

You can bet the O people are going to be really pressuing CNN to guard/help him more than what he got last night.
 

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And...noone cares.

tbh it's a fucking travesty that you people are allowed to vote.

says the person who supports someone who's total experience is basically as a community organizer for the most important job in the world
 

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Keep deflecting. I'll wait for any of you to explain how Ryan's plan is revenue-neutral, or how slashing tax rates by 20% ISN'T going to drive us even further in debt but I'm sure none of you have the slightest clue (and probably haven't even looked at the plan or know anything about it). Because he surely doesn't.
 

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Or.

tax rich more. Jobs go away. Less tax payers. More gov dependency. Add another 5-7 trillion to the deficit.
 

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I can't force-feed this stuff down your throats. FFS people start paying attention.

The first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney, so long anticipated, quickly sunk into an unenlightening recitation of tired talking points and mendacity. With few sparks and little clarity on the immense gulf that truly separates the two men and their policies, Wednesday’s encounter provided little guidance for voters still trying to understand the choice in next month’s election.

The Mitt Romney who appeared on the stage at the University of Denver seemed to be fleeing from the one who won the Republican nomination on a hard-right platform of tax cuts, budget slashing and indifference to the suffering of those at the bottom of the economic ladder. And Mr. Obama’s competitive edge from 2008 clearly dulled, as he missed repeated opportunities to challenge Mr. Romney on his falsehoods and turnabouts.

Virtually every time Mr. Romney spoke, he misrepresented the platform on which he and Paul Ryan are actually running. The most prominent example, taking up the first half-hour of the debate, was on taxes. Mr. Romney claimed, against considerable evidence, that he had no intention of cutting taxes on the rich or enacting a tax cut that would increase the deficit.

That simply isn’t true. Mr. Romney wants to restore the Bush-era tax cut that expires at the end of this year and largely benefits the wealthy. He wants to end the estate tax and the gift tax, providing a huge benefit only to those with multimillion-dollar estates, at a cost of more than $1 trillion over a decade to the deficit. He wants to preserve the generous rates on capital gains that benefit himself personally and others at his economic level. And he wants to cut everyone’s tax rates by 20 percent, which again would be a gigantic boon to the wealthy.

None of these would cost the Treasury a dime, he insisted, because he would reduce deductions and loopholes. But, as always, he refused to enumerate a single deduction he would erase. “What I’ve said is I won’t put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit,” he said. “No economist can say Mitt Romney’s tax plan adds $5 trillion if I say I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.”

In fact, many economists have said exactly that, and, without details, Mr. Romney can’t simply refute them. But rather than forcefully challenging this fiction, Mr. Obama chose to be polite and professorial, as if hoping that strings of details could hold up against blatant nonsense. Viewers were not helped by a series of pedestrian questions from the moderator, Jim Lehrer of PBS, who never jumped in to challenge either candidate on the facts.

When Mr. Romney accused the president of supporting a “trickle-down government,” Mr. Obama might have demanded to know what that means. He could then have pointed out that it is Mr. Romney whose economic plan is based on the discredited idea that high-end tax cuts trickle down to the middle class and poor.

Mr. Romney said he supported the idea of regulation but rejected the Dodd-Frank financial reform law because it was too generous to the big “New York banks.” This is an alternative-universe interpretation of a law that is deeply despised and opposed by the banks, but Mr. Obama missed several opportunities to point out how the law limits the corrosive practices, like derivatives trading, that led to the 2008 crash and puts in place vitally important consumer protections.

On health care, Mr. Romney pretended that he had an actual plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, and that it covered pre-existing conditions. He has no such plan, and his false claim finally roused the president to his only strong moment of the evening. The country doesn’t know the details, he said, of how Mr. Romney would replace Wall Street reform, or health care reform, or tax increases on the rich because Republicans don’t want people to understand the hard trade-offs involved in these decisions.

There are still two more presidential debates, and Mr. Obama has the facts on his side to expose the hollowness of his opponent. But first he has to decide to use them aggressively.
 

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Cut taxes. More jobs

How are those two things at all related?

Republican economic policy reads like the underpants gnomes profit chart.

UnderpantsGnomesPlan.jpg
 

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You don't see that raising taxes on rich job creators detours them from hiring people?

well then, never mind.
 

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You don't see that raising taxes on rich job creators detours them from hiring people?

They've been at their lowest rate ever since Bush put them there during his tenure. Where are the resultant jobs? Why hasn't there been more tax revenue generated from all these new jobs that the job creators were supposed to create with their ridiculously low tax rate? We've had this lower taxes +trickle down nonsense going on for a while now, why hasn't it worked yet? Show me the study that ties lower tax rates for the rich to economic success for everyone. Surely if it is that legitimate there is proof of it working somewhere.
 

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You don't see that raising taxes on rich job creators detours them from hiring people?

well then, never mind.

No, I think sp's argument has always been that there is no proof that the rich have or will actually create jobs with their added revenue(less taxes).

I don't know the answers myself but I do not want to be under a governement that is controlled by big business. That is exactly what got us in this mess in the first place. I'm all for business having the opportunity to prosper, I just don't think the lawmakers should be changing the rules or looking the other way in order for them to do it.
 

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No, I think sp's argument has always been that there is no proof that the rich have or will actually create jobs with their added revenue(less taxes).

Exactly. Yet this keeps getting repeated as if it's some sort of law, like water or dinosaurs.

lower taxes for the rich = more jobs.

Direct correlation right? Since fucking when? Show me.
 

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You'd need to remove thy head from thy arse first in order to see it.


That's extreme (right in this case) arguing 101. The left does it too.

I'd actually like to see the evidence that it helps create more jobs. It could change the way I feel about it. Right now, for me at least, it's political rhetoric with zero substance. Saying I have my head up my ass doesn't prove to me you are correct. How about showing me how you are correct?

Or we can continue to each stand on our side of the yard, yell stupid crap at each other, and never solve anything.
 
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Romney was being real mean about silindra. Sooner or later we got to invest in shit like that, gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.

And he'll eliminate obamacare day 1, won't raise taxes on the rich, won't cut the defense budget

Hmm who's left?
 
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