Explain to me the lack of OL/DL picks

[Hoofbite]

means they havent been ignoring the OL, as someone suggested

If taking the vast majority of your OL late in the draft isn't ignoring that unit, there isn't a team in the NFL that ignores the OL.

I don't supposed people would feel the same way if Dallas had cut Newman, passed on Carr and Claiborn and instead drafted 3CBs between the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds.

If all you commit to the OL is 1 premium pick and a bunch of picks way late in the draft, you're ignoring it.

Saying you aren't is just ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as telling a guy in a prison camp that he isn't starving because he's received his one ladle full of broth every day since being locked up.

 

[Hoofbite]

Ok, so assuming they used that same process. Then why are they still here?

What does that matter?

You asked how they determine who the worst OL is and I told you.

Clearly there were players who would start over Costa. Ben Jones or Blake would likely personally hand him his pink slip.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What does that matter?

You asked how they determine who the worst OL is and I told you.

Clearly there were players who would start over Costa. Ben Jones or Blake would likely personally hand him his pink slip.

So what are you saying then? That they're refusing to accurately evaluate them?

 

[Hoofbite]

So what are you saying then?

I'm saying your argument that they already have players on the OL isn't an excuse not to upgrade at one of those positions if you can.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm saying your argument that they already have players on the OL isn't an excuse not to upgrade at one of those positions if you can.

:confused

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

we just signed Ronald Leary..projected as a mid round draft pick..we had him rated pretty highly, apparently..i guess thats gotta count for something

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

3 of the last 14 picks have been OL...thats over 20% of the picks

Like 16.5% of the active roster is OL and were in the process of replacing 3 starters

 

[dbair1967]

If taking the vast majority of your OL late in the draft isn't ignoring that unit, there isn't a team in the NFL that ignores the OL.

I don't supposed people would feel the same way if Dallas had cut Newman, passed on Carr and Claiborn and instead drafted 3CBs between the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds.

If all you commit to the OL is 1 premium pick and a bunch of picks way late in the draft, you're ignoring it.

Saying you aren't is just ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as telling a guy in a prison camp that he isn't starving because he's received his one ladle full of broth every day since being locked up.

1-4-7 is what we used picks on OL's last yr, thats only one late rd pick, not a majority

almost nobody invests all premium picks into all 5 OL's

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1-4-7 is what we used picks on OL's last yr, thats only one late rd pick, not a majority

almost nobody invests all premium picks into all 5 OL's

Because that would be stupid.

 

[cmd34]

Because that would be stupid.

Thinking Phil Costa and Bill Nagy are NFL starters would be stupid.

Thinking it again, after they showed you they aren't, is only possible with Jerry Jones running your team.

 

[bkeavs]

60% percent of our offensive line is below average

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Thinking Phil Costa and Bill Nagy are NFL starters would be stupid.

Thinking it again, after they showed you they aren't, is only possible with Jerry Jones running your team.

Costa, yes. Because he was undrafted. Nagy, kinda. He was drafted late, mostly because he went through a rough time in college for whatever reason.

Honestly, I have to see more from Nagy than 5 games. I think we've pretty much seen all we need to regarding Costa. There is no upside to his game.

 

[Midswat]

1-4-7 is what we used picks on OL's last yr, thats only one late rd pick, not a majority

And the years before last year?

:confused

 

[bkeavs]

The forth pick was a red shirted player by the way

 

[Iamtdg]

3 of the last 14 picks have been OL...thats over 20% of the picks

lol

Good lord.

 

[Hoofbite]

1-4-7 is what we used picks on OL's last yr, thats only one late rd pick, not a majority

almost nobody invests all premium picks into all 5 OL's

You realize the context of "neglecting the OL" extends back further than a single year don't you?

You do realize that, don't you?

Since 2000. That's 13 drafts.

Dallas has taken 18 OL.

8 of them have come in the 6th round or later.

7 have come in the top 100 picks of the draft.

 

[dbair1967]

You realize the context of "neglecting the OL" extends back further than a single year don't you?

You do realize that, don't you?

Since 2000. That's 13 drafts.

Dallas has taken 18 OL.

8 of them have come in the 6th round or later.

7 have come in the top 100 picks of the draft.

We've been over this quite a bit, they've probably invested similar numbers of draft picks into OL's as other teams. And the draft isnt the only way to invest in an OL. They brought in several quality starters via free agency over that time frame, a high dollar guys like Leonard Davis, a middling f/a nobody knew much about who turned into a dependable, quality starter in Kyle Kosier. They took a flier on a former 1st rd castoff and he worked out (Mark Colombo). They had some success with a couple of high draftees in Flozelle Adams and Andre Gurode. Those 5 guys combined to be a pretty decent OL. Parcells also invested some signficant $$$ into a couple of free agent busts.

They spent 2nd rd picks on misses like Solomon Pae, Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers. They spent a 3rd on Stephen Peterman and then gave up on him too soon, now he's a quality starter in Detroit who earned a long term contract extension there.

Smith was a huge hit last year. Free regressed last yr, but his 2009 and 2010 work was pretty good and he's a young guy who still has upside. They spent dollars to get a couple of free agents to compete for jobs this year. The young guys they drafted and signed last year will all have had another year in the offseason program and another training camp to develop this year.

 

[Iamtdg]

We've been over this quite a bit, they've probably invested similar numbers of draft picks into OL's as other teams. And the draft isnt the only way to invest in an OL. They brought in several quality starters via free agency over that time frame, a high dollar guys like Leonard Davis, a middling f/a nobody knew much about who turned into a dependable, quality starter in Kyle Kosier. They took a flier on a former 1st rd castoff and he worked out (Mark Colombo). They had some success with a couple of high draftees in Flozelle Adams and Andre Gurode. Those 5 guys combined to be a pretty decent OL. Parcells also invested some signficant $$$ into a couple of free agent busts.

They spent 2nd rd picks on misses like Solomon Pae, Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers. They spent a 3rd on Stephen Peterman and then gave up on him too soon, now he's a quality starter in Detroit who earned a long term contract extension there.

Smith was a huge hit last year. Free regressed last yr, but his 2009 and 2010 work was pretty good and he's a young guy who still has upside. They spent dollars to get a couple of free agents to compete for jobs this year. The young guys they drafted and signed last year will all have had another year in the offseason program and another training camp to develop this year.

How about the last 6 years?

Minus Kosier (who was a stopgap that never really turned into anything) and Davis (who turned out to be a fat slob).

Yeah, we really tore it up in building up our OL lately.

Tyron Smith is begging for help atm.

He will get none.

 

[Iamtdg]

If you try to argue we have made valid efforts to solidify our offensive line over the last 8 years or so, you are an idiot homer.

No offense intended, of course.

 

[Hoofbite]

We've been over this quite a bit, they've probably invested similar numbers of draft picks into OL's as other teams. And the draft isnt the only way to invest in an OL. They brought in several quality starters via free agency over that time frame, a high dollar guys like Leonard Davis, a middling f/a nobody knew much about who turned into a dependable, quality starter in Kyle Kosier. They took a flier on a former 1st rd castoff and he worked out (Mark Colombo). They had some success with a couple of high draftees in Flozelle Adams and Andre Gurode. Those 5 guys combined to be a pretty decent OL. Parcells also invested some signficant $$$ into a couple of free agent busts.

What other teams do is irrelevant.

Any team without a QB will likely spend more resources on trying to get a QB, taking available resources from the OL.

Any team with a solid OL will likely not spend as many resources on OL.

For the last 5-6 years Dallas has had a QB. They've had good but not great OL play during a span of that time but nothing so grand that you could just waive off the idea that they don't need to work on bringing players in.

As far as the FAs go, we had to watch those guys struggle immensely because there was nobody else behind them. Davis was benched at one point.

Kosier, good move.

Flozelle was like 15 years ago and we watched him get cut after having his ass handed him so bad that he had to pull himself from the game and claim some mystery calf injury.