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Jaylon Smith just had to be helped off the field. 
And now being carted to the locker room.
And now being carted to the locker room.
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Seals not being a Jason pick. Jerry might want him but Jason wants the captains.
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he was going to be our pick He may be the most talented player in the draft
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Most of the backups were trash or washed up though weren't they?
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Yeah he had a significant injury to his throwing shoulder. He missed one game I think because of it, maybe two.
Last night wasn't good, but Alabama played lights out and has crazy stupid front 7 talent on defense.
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Jaylon Smith just had to be helped off the field.
And now being carted to the locker room.
Hopefully not a next season ender.
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Broaddus has really been talking up the UCLA LB, says he likes him more for us
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Stanford absolutely destroying Iowa.
Nobody talks much about Hogan, but he could but one those mid to late round sleeper guys at QB that ends up having a decent NFL career. At least could develop into a solid #2 guy somewhere down the road.
This McCafferty kid is an eye opener.
Still daydream about David Shaw taking over HC of our Cowboys
Nobody talks much about Hogan, but he could but one those mid to late round sleeper guys at QB that ends up having a decent NFL career. At least could develop into a solid #2 guy somewhere down the road.
This McCafferty kid is an eye opener.
Still daydream about David Shaw taking over HC of our Cowboys
Hogan would be an interesting later round QB, if we did the Redskins thing.... take a QB early round one then another later (Griffin/Cousins). WOrked out well for them. And I think throwing numbers at the position, considering our questionable scouting/drafting would be wise.
McCafferty should've been the Heisman winner. No idea how he'd translate to the NFL though. A starter, or role player? Seems like the kind of guy a team like the Patriots would draft and do well with.
McCafferty should've been the Heisman winner. No idea how he'd translate to the NFL though. A starter, or role player? Seems like the kind of guy a team like the Patriots would draft and do well with.
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It's a significant knee injury they are reporting
Poor fucking guy
Poor fucking guy
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That sux, great player
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We think that now... but the team must have thought otherwise when they were brought in.
I picture David as like a 60 year old man trying to stay hip and jive so hey lets use the lingo the kids do.
2016 NFL Draft: Who helped, hurt stock in New Year's Day bowl games
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
A serious knee injury to Notre Dame star linebacker Jaylon Smith and the ejection of top-rated prospect Joey Bosa for targeting were the two obvious headlines from an NFL Draft perspective from the New Year's Day bowl games.
But there were plenty of other noteworthy performances, including high-ranking prospects struggling, under-the-radar athletes stealing the spotlight and a few who are not yet eligible for the NFL teasing scouts with their talent.
After taking in all five Jan. 1 games -- the Outback, Fiesta, Citrus, Rose and Sugar bowls -- here's a recap of the top performances.
Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott, 6-feet, 225 pounts, 4.42, Junior: In the final collegiate game, Elliott again proved why he's the consensus top back available in the 2016 draft, running for 149 yards and tying a Fiesta Bowl record with four touchdowns. While Elliott's vision, agility and power were mostly on display against the Irish, his unselfishness and awareness as a blocker and receiver help the junior stand apart from other backs, making Elliott a first-round cinch.
Mississippi TE Evan Engram, 6-3, 227, 4.64, Junior: With tight end again one of the weaker positions in the draft, scouts may have been disappointed to hear Engram plans on returning to the Rebels for his senior campaign. Against Oklahoma State in the Sugar Bowl, Engram showed the speed and body control to easily imagine him attacking NFL defenses up the seam.
Notre Dame WR Will Fuller, 6-0, 184, 4.42, Junior: While most of the Fiesta Bowl's big plays were made by the victorious Buckeyes, Fuller gave the Irish hope early in the fourth quarter, cutting Ohio State's lead to 10 with an 81-yard catch-and-run TD. The junior has already announced his intention to return for his senior season but the speedster's NFL future is obvious.
Florida CB Vernon Hargreaves III, 5-11, 198, 4.44, Junior: Given the Gators lost 41-7 to Michigan, it isn't fair to pin too much blame on Florida's three-time All-SEC cornerback. But Hargreaves certainly didn't play up normal standards, surrendering several big plays (including a 31-yard touchdown) after being caught flat-footed on double-moves by Michigan receivers.
Tennessee RB Jalen Hurd, 6-2, 230, 4.57, Sophomore: Hurd often does not receive deserved attention because of remarkable running back talent in his class, including LSU's Leonard Fournette, Florida State's Dalvin Cook, Oklahoma's Samaje Perine, Oregon's Royce Freeman and a certain Heisman finalist from Stanford up next on this list. The imposing Hurd was a one-man wrecking crew against Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl, rushing for 130 yards and a score to earn MVP honors. Hurd was considered questionable (hamstring), making his determined running more impressive.
Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey, 6-0, 205, 4.48, Sophomore: No disrespect to Derrick Henry, but some Heisman voters may have wished they'd watched a little more late-night Pac-12 action after McCaffrey continued his seasonlong rampage, racking up a Rose Bowl-record 368 all-purpose yards and scoring two TDs (including a 63-yard punt return) to earn easy MVP honors in Stanford's 45-16 Rose Bowl win. He was the most dominant player in this game (perhaps in any game played Friday), catching a quick pass down the seam on the first snap from scrimmage 75 yards for a touchdown to get Stanford started.
Stanford DE Aziz Shittu, 6-3, 280, 4.94, Redshirt Junior: In contrast to prior Stanford defensive linemen, Shittu's game is about quickness and penetration rather than length and strength. He was moved up and down the line of scrimmage vs. Iowa and consistently disrupted the Hawkeyes' timing. The senior first-team All-Pac-12 honoree recorded eight tackles, including 3.5 for loss and 1.5 sacks against a normally secure Iowa offensive line, earning Rose Bowl Defensive MVP honors.
Ohio State WR Michael Thomas, 6-3, 210, 4.54, Junior: One reason why Ohio State dominated Notre Dame was that Thomas was involved early -- in stark contrast to the season-low two grabs he had in a loss to Michigan State, the Buckeyes only loss. Thomas caught an 8-yard pass on Ohio State's first snap from scrimmage and wound up leading all players with seven catches overall (for 72 yards and a TD). The nephew of former No. 1 overall pick Keyshawn Johnson, Thomas is a classic possession receiver with the build, bulk, reliable route-running and hands to contribute early in his NFL career.
Mississippi WR Laquon Treadwell, 6-2, 210, 4.52, Junior: While teammate Engram made some flashy plays early, Treadwell, NFLDraftScout.com's top-rated wideout for the 2016 draft, was the primary difference-maker for the Rebels as they built an insurmountable lead over Oklahoma State. The well-built Treadwell is known among scouts for his strength and competitiveness on jump balls and as a downfield blocker but he also showed underrated tracking skills to haul in three touchdowns (one of which was on a one-handed grab) and even arm strength, rifling a 45-yard pass in the second quarter.
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
A serious knee injury to Notre Dame star linebacker Jaylon Smith and the ejection of top-rated prospect Joey Bosa for targeting were the two obvious headlines from an NFL Draft perspective from the New Year's Day bowl games.
But there were plenty of other noteworthy performances, including high-ranking prospects struggling, under-the-radar athletes stealing the spotlight and a few who are not yet eligible for the NFL teasing scouts with their talent.
After taking in all five Jan. 1 games -- the Outback, Fiesta, Citrus, Rose and Sugar bowls -- here's a recap of the top performances.
Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott, 6-feet, 225 pounts, 4.42, Junior: In the final collegiate game, Elliott again proved why he's the consensus top back available in the 2016 draft, running for 149 yards and tying a Fiesta Bowl record with four touchdowns. While Elliott's vision, agility and power were mostly on display against the Irish, his unselfishness and awareness as a blocker and receiver help the junior stand apart from other backs, making Elliott a first-round cinch.
Mississippi TE Evan Engram, 6-3, 227, 4.64, Junior: With tight end again one of the weaker positions in the draft, scouts may have been disappointed to hear Engram plans on returning to the Rebels for his senior campaign. Against Oklahoma State in the Sugar Bowl, Engram showed the speed and body control to easily imagine him attacking NFL defenses up the seam.
Notre Dame WR Will Fuller, 6-0, 184, 4.42, Junior: While most of the Fiesta Bowl's big plays were made by the victorious Buckeyes, Fuller gave the Irish hope early in the fourth quarter, cutting Ohio State's lead to 10 with an 81-yard catch-and-run TD. The junior has already announced his intention to return for his senior season but the speedster's NFL future is obvious.
Florida CB Vernon Hargreaves III, 5-11, 198, 4.44, Junior: Given the Gators lost 41-7 to Michigan, it isn't fair to pin too much blame on Florida's three-time All-SEC cornerback. But Hargreaves certainly didn't play up normal standards, surrendering several big plays (including a 31-yard touchdown) after being caught flat-footed on double-moves by Michigan receivers.
Tennessee RB Jalen Hurd, 6-2, 230, 4.57, Sophomore: Hurd often does not receive deserved attention because of remarkable running back talent in his class, including LSU's Leonard Fournette, Florida State's Dalvin Cook, Oklahoma's Samaje Perine, Oregon's Royce Freeman and a certain Heisman finalist from Stanford up next on this list. The imposing Hurd was a one-man wrecking crew against Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl, rushing for 130 yards and a score to earn MVP honors. Hurd was considered questionable (hamstring), making his determined running more impressive.
Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey, 6-0, 205, 4.48, Sophomore: No disrespect to Derrick Henry, but some Heisman voters may have wished they'd watched a little more late-night Pac-12 action after McCaffrey continued his seasonlong rampage, racking up a Rose Bowl-record 368 all-purpose yards and scoring two TDs (including a 63-yard punt return) to earn easy MVP honors in Stanford's 45-16 Rose Bowl win. He was the most dominant player in this game (perhaps in any game played Friday), catching a quick pass down the seam on the first snap from scrimmage 75 yards for a touchdown to get Stanford started.
Stanford DE Aziz Shittu, 6-3, 280, 4.94, Redshirt Junior: In contrast to prior Stanford defensive linemen, Shittu's game is about quickness and penetration rather than length and strength. He was moved up and down the line of scrimmage vs. Iowa and consistently disrupted the Hawkeyes' timing. The senior first-team All-Pac-12 honoree recorded eight tackles, including 3.5 for loss and 1.5 sacks against a normally secure Iowa offensive line, earning Rose Bowl Defensive MVP honors.
Ohio State WR Michael Thomas, 6-3, 210, 4.54, Junior: One reason why Ohio State dominated Notre Dame was that Thomas was involved early -- in stark contrast to the season-low two grabs he had in a loss to Michigan State, the Buckeyes only loss. Thomas caught an 8-yard pass on Ohio State's first snap from scrimmage and wound up leading all players with seven catches overall (for 72 yards and a TD). The nephew of former No. 1 overall pick Keyshawn Johnson, Thomas is a classic possession receiver with the build, bulk, reliable route-running and hands to contribute early in his NFL career.
Mississippi WR Laquon Treadwell, 6-2, 210, 4.52, Junior: While teammate Engram made some flashy plays early, Treadwell, NFLDraftScout.com's top-rated wideout for the 2016 draft, was the primary difference-maker for the Rebels as they built an insurmountable lead over Oklahoma State. The well-built Treadwell is known among scouts for his strength and competitiveness on jump balls and as a downfield blocker but he also showed underrated tracking skills to haul in three touchdowns (one of which was on a one-handed grab) and even arm strength, rifling a 45-yard pass in the second quarter.
Top 4 rounds....
1. Ronald Darby, CB, FSU - Gotta replace Carr & Claiborne. Have a secondary that generates turnovers.
2. Carl Nassib, OLB, PSU - Talented player and team leader. RKG
3. Cardale Jones, QB, OSU - All the physical tools plus some. Needs a year or two to develop, which Romo gives him. Jerry thinks he found his Cam Newton.
4. Braxton Miller, WR, OSU - We like taking projects in the fourth so why not add an athlete that we'll never use correctly.
1. Ronald Darby, CB, FSU - Gotta replace Carr & Claiborne. Have a secondary that generates turnovers.
2. Carl Nassib, OLB, PSU - Talented player and team leader. RKG
3. Cardale Jones, QB, OSU - All the physical tools plus some. Needs a year or two to develop, which Romo gives him. Jerry thinks he found his Cam Newton.
4. Braxton Miller, WR, OSU - We like taking projects in the fourth so why not add an athlete that we'll never use correctly.
Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
I went down on the field an hour before the game to get a look at Tunsil in a t-shirt and shorts to get a good feel for his body type. The first thing that stood out was that he has average size for a tackle in this day and age of tall trees at that spot.
Not that it will matter in the pros, but Tunsil was relaxing with some fellow offensive linemen snaring one-handed catches and throwing 40-yard spirals around the field. He's that kind of athlete.
In game notes:
» Tunsil gave up a little late pressure because he thought he had his man run up and outside the pass rush arc, but quarterback Chad Kelly was pressured beyond where he sets up.
» I wish I could watch Tunsil in space as a zone blocker in the run game, but mostly he's asked to down block with an occasional climb up to the middle linebacker.
» Remember how I told you Tunsil was snaring passes one-handed? He caught a touchdown pass at the end of the half on a throwback screen.
» His balance and technique is so good that when he gets his hands locked into the framework of a pass rusher, it is over.
» Emmanuel Ogbah gave a powerful swipe and knocked Tunsil's outside hand away, allowing Ogbah to turn the corner on one of his pass rushes, but it was too late by then.
» When Tunsil climbs up to linebackers, he is balanced, measured and you just don't see him launch like other linemen will.
» It is rare to find a prospect who has it all, and an area of improvement for Tunsil is going to be adding strength as a drive blocker.
» Tunsil has an advanced approach that is made possible by his outstanding foot quickness. He almost always works to get his feet in proper position before ever making contact with his upper body.
While Ogbah gave Tunsil a look at a physical, power end with strong hands, he just wasn't a dynamic enough pass rusher to truly stress Tunsil. Plus, Ogbah and Tunsil had limited matchups. I saw what I expected to see from Tunsil.
I went down on the field an hour before the game to get a look at Tunsil in a t-shirt and shorts to get a good feel for his body type. The first thing that stood out was that he has average size for a tackle in this day and age of tall trees at that spot.
Not that it will matter in the pros, but Tunsil was relaxing with some fellow offensive linemen snaring one-handed catches and throwing 40-yard spirals around the field. He's that kind of athlete.
In game notes:
» Tunsil gave up a little late pressure because he thought he had his man run up and outside the pass rush arc, but quarterback Chad Kelly was pressured beyond where he sets up.
» I wish I could watch Tunsil in space as a zone blocker in the run game, but mostly he's asked to down block with an occasional climb up to the middle linebacker.
» Remember how I told you Tunsil was snaring passes one-handed? He caught a touchdown pass at the end of the half on a throwback screen.
» His balance and technique is so good that when he gets his hands locked into the framework of a pass rusher, it is over.
» Emmanuel Ogbah gave a powerful swipe and knocked Tunsil's outside hand away, allowing Ogbah to turn the corner on one of his pass rushes, but it was too late by then.
» When Tunsil climbs up to linebackers, he is balanced, measured and you just don't see him launch like other linemen will.
» It is rare to find a prospect who has it all, and an area of improvement for Tunsil is going to be adding strength as a drive blocker.
» Tunsil has an advanced approach that is made possible by his outstanding foot quickness. He almost always works to get his feet in proper position before ever making contact with his upper body.
While Ogbah gave Tunsil a look at a physical, power end with strong hands, he just wasn't a dynamic enough pass rusher to truly stress Tunsil. Plus, Ogbah and Tunsil had limited matchups. I saw what I expected to see from Tunsil.
Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
I studied and wrote up my draft profile on Treadwell this afternoon before heading over to the game. All of his strengths from my draft profile showed up in this game, so I might as well share them with you now:
Treadwell isn't the fastest receiver you'll find, and some scouts are already grumbling about him lacking speed, but when you add up his skill level and production, you can see why he figures to land in the first round of the draft.
I studied and wrote up my draft profile on Treadwell this afternoon before heading over to the game. All of his strengths from my draft profile showed up in this game, so I might as well share them with you now:
Treadwell isn't the fastest receiver you'll find, and some scouts are already grumbling about him lacking speed, but when you add up his skill level and production, you can see why he figures to land in the first round of the draft.
Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State
I will admit that I was massively underwhelmed by Ogbah this summer when I studied him. He looked very basic as a pass rusher on tape with no edge quickness and a lack of burst off the snap.
However, the more I watch Ogbah, the more I understand that he shouldn't be evaluated with the same filter as a pass-rushing specialist. Ogbah showed in this game some of the same traits that I've seen from him this year. He's learned to use his hand strength and power to collapse the edges as a pass rusher, and he's become much more efficient with his movements.
Ogbah has a chance to be a very strong 4-3 base end who can set a strong edge and intimidate tight ends tasked with blocking him. Ogbah was often too much for right tackle Fahn Cooper this evening, and I see potential for Ogbah to continue to improve his skill level as an NFL pass rusher, which strengthens his draft projection.
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I will admit that I was massively underwhelmed by Ogbah this summer when I studied him. He looked very basic as a pass rusher on tape with no edge quickness and a lack of burst off the snap.
However, the more I watch Ogbah, the more I understand that he shouldn't be evaluated with the same filter as a pass-rushing specialist. Ogbah showed in this game some of the same traits that I've seen from him this year. He's learned to use his hand strength and power to collapse the edges as a pass rusher, and he's become much more efficient with his movements.
Ogbah has a chance to be a very strong 4-3 base end who can set a strong edge and intimidate tight ends tasked with blocking him. Ogbah was often too much for right tackle Fahn Cooper this evening, and I see potential for Ogbah to continue to improve his skill level as an NFL pass rusher, which strengthens his draft projection.
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Currently a Buffalo Bill. You mean Jalen Ramsey?
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Is Darby going back into the draft again or are you wanting us to trade this pick to Buffalo?