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Gretchen Carlson bringing him down. If she has the goods on him then good for her.
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Gretchen Carlson bringing him down. If she has the goods on him then good for her.
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Doesn't sound like (from reports) that she has anything. Also most of the FOX star power has come out in support of Ailes and several of the women on FOX clearly believe Carlson is lying.
Also read that Megyn Kelly came out and claims she was "harassed" by Ailes a decade ago, but when pressed on it she said it was related to a "hug that was uncomfortable"
Also reading that virtually everyone at FOX hated Carlson (who had to moved off the highly rated FOX and Friends morning show) and tht most hate Kelly too.
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I would think that the lame stream media and hacks like Stewart and Colbert will have a lot of fun with this.
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The late update is over 50 FOX hosts, analysts and contributors are ready to walk over this. Sounds like they are digging in big time.
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Why are they so devoted to Ailes? What's the story there?
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I'm not aware of what you're talking about... If it was as obvious as this, then yes, I would consider it embarrassing as shit for them, just like her. But I understand you gotta try to make your side better by pointing fingers at the other side. Tribal politics strikes again.
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It's hard to know for sure. Everyone says good things in public about their boss when asked, mostly.
On the other hand, all I've ever read about Ailes is that he's intensely loyal to his employees.
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Gretchens lawyer has said that other female employees have come out about Ailes sexually harrassing them. Not sure if any are current employees. Sounds like the claim will be that there is a long track record of it.
Fox will most likely settle it to keep it quiet if its just a money grab by Gretchen.
They can talk about her ratings sucking, but Fox doesnt have a lot of good programming anymore. O'Reilly is really the only show worth watching anymore. When Glen Beck left it has been down hill since.
Fox will most likely settle it to keep it quiet if its just a money grab by Gretchen.
They can talk about her ratings sucking, but Fox doesnt have a lot of good programming anymore. O'Reilly is really the only show worth watching anymore. When Glen Beck left it has been down hill since.
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In order to keep Kelly, one television executive said, 21st Century Fox would need to offer her more than money: They'd need to convince her that she would be the face of the network going forward, and that it would abandon its image as the network of old, white, conservative men.
O'Reilly, the network's highest-rated anchor, could also leave. His contract is up at the end of next year, he's 66 years old and he's hinted at a desire to retire. "I don't want to work this hard much longer," O'Reilly told Adweek earlier this month. Given O'Reilly's platform and influence, he could leave television and continue to make plenty of income from books and speaking gigs, some of the executives reasoned.
O'Reilly, Greta Van Susteren and Sean Hannity have clauses in their Fox contracts that allow them to leave if Ailes does, according to a Financial Times report.
Television executives also speculated that some of the network's most high-profile political contributors, who are friends of Ailes', may also decide to cut ties.
Fox News after Roger Ailes - Jul. 19, 2016
O'Reilly, the network's highest-rated anchor, could also leave. His contract is up at the end of next year, he's 66 years old and he's hinted at a desire to retire. "I don't want to work this hard much longer," O'Reilly told Adweek earlier this month. Given O'Reilly's platform and influence, he could leave television and continue to make plenty of income from books and speaking gigs, some of the executives reasoned.
O'Reilly, Greta Van Susteren and Sean Hannity have clauses in their Fox contracts that allow them to leave if Ailes does, according to a Financial Times report.
Television executives also speculated that some of the network's most high-profile political contributors, who are friends of Ailes', may also decide to cut ties.
Fox News after Roger Ailes - Jul. 19, 2016
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Why are some women who want to support Gretchen Carlson in her sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News CEO Roger Ailes not speaking up publicly?
The answer involves strict non-disparagement clauses that some former Fox employees must sign.
In confidential interviews with CNNMoney, several women who formerly held on-air jobs at Fox said they believed Carlson's allegations and have stories of their own. But the women were reluctant to talk, citing the restrictive contract language.
Fox's parent company, 21st Century Fox, is conducting an internal review of the harassment allegations. These women said that the law firm conducting the internal review, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, had not reached out to them yet.
But that may be changing.
When contacted by CNNMoney on Saturday and Sunday, and asked how the review could be considered credible if the lawyers conducting it do not speak with the women, Fox declined to comment. The law firm did not respond to requests for comment.
On Monday, however, New York magazine's Gabriel Sherman reported that "the lawyers are seeking to interview former female employees of Fox News in addition to current staff."
Sherman also reported that the owners of 21st Century Fox, the Murdochs, "have decided to remove" Ailes, but have not determined exactly when or how.
CNN has not independently verified the report.
In a statement responding to Sherman's report, 21st Century Fox pointedly did not rule out corporate action against Ailes, but said such action would be premature.
"This matter is not yet resolved and the review is not concluded," the statement said.
Related: Roger Ailes seeks to move Gretchen Carlson case to New York
In the days since the lawsuit was filed, more than a dozen Fox hosts have stood up for Ailes in interviews and statements. That may have suggested to observers that there are far more people ready to support Ailes than Carlson.
But the non-disparagement clauses are a complicating factor.
In one instance, a former Fox commentator posted a comment on Facebook that supported Carlson -- and called Ailes a "dirty old fart" -- but said she took it down due to the non-disparagement clause.
In another case, a former Fox reporter consulted a lawyer before speaking with CNNMoney on condition of anonymity. "I think there are many people who've had the same experience Gretchen is describing," the former reporter said.
The reporter described repeated instances of harassment by Ailes and said "Roger often took verbal liberties with female employees," but would not go into any more detail, citing the non-disparagement clause.
Ailes has said Carlson's allegations are false. The two sides are now battling through court filings.
Related: Roger Ailes' defenders
Non-disparagement clauses affect former employees who sign a "separation agreement" on the way out.
The legal language is meant to protect Fox News from criticism and keep things cordial between ex-employee and ex-employer. It can be enforced through reminder letters from lawyers and, in rare cases, breach of contract lawsuits.
Other TV networks and other types of employers also use non-disparagement clauses. But according to a talent agent, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, there are at least two things that make Fox's deals especially restrictive.
In at least some cases, the clauses are worded to protect not just Fox, but "senior management," including Ailes. And "the mere acknowledgment that it exists would violate the terms of it," the agent said.
So unless the former employees are freed from the legal language, they may be limited in what they can say — to reporters and to lawyers.
"It's probably fair to say that you can't get a real, accurate investigation based on the existence of these clauses," said another industry executive who has seen the legal language in Fox's contracts.
Related: Carlson v. Ailes case deepens as decades-old harassment claims surface
Some critics of Fox have already expressed doubt about the legitimacy of the review. "This is a law firm that represents giant corporate entities," sexual harassment lawyer and advocate Lisa Bloom said on "CNN Tonight" on July 11. She asserted that the investigation is "almost certainly going to be skewed in favor of Fox News."
In addition to any legal reasons, former employees have reputational reasons to avoid commenting. Fox's hardball tactics are legendary in the television business. In the past, Ailes and his public relations staffers have attacked ex-hosts like Paula Zahn and even leaked unflattering information about current hosts and reporters.
The P.R. department has changed hands in recent years, but memories of the tactics loom large.
"Roger Ailes casts a long shadow," a former Fox producer said.
At the same time, Ailes is also admired by past and present staffers for his television production and management acumen. Blunt, politically incorrect talk is part of his appeal among some staffers.
Several of them, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Ailes is well known for making inappropriate comments, and they thought Carlson overreacted by suing.
A former Fox host remembered Ailes saying to her, "Walk down the hallway slower, I want to get a look at those legs." But she said she did not consider that to be sexual harassment, and she praised Ailes at length.
Others, however, said they believed Ailes crossed a line, but said they could not be quoted describing their experiences, even when promised anonymity.
CNNMoney (New York)
First published July 18, 2016: 2:45 PM ET
Former Fox staffers have Ailes stories -- here's why they're afraid to speak - Jul. 18, 2016
The answer involves strict non-disparagement clauses that some former Fox employees must sign.
In confidential interviews with CNNMoney, several women who formerly held on-air jobs at Fox said they believed Carlson's allegations and have stories of their own. But the women were reluctant to talk, citing the restrictive contract language.
Fox's parent company, 21st Century Fox, is conducting an internal review of the harassment allegations. These women said that the law firm conducting the internal review, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, had not reached out to them yet.
But that may be changing.
When contacted by CNNMoney on Saturday and Sunday, and asked how the review could be considered credible if the lawyers conducting it do not speak with the women, Fox declined to comment. The law firm did not respond to requests for comment.
On Monday, however, New York magazine's Gabriel Sherman reported that "the lawyers are seeking to interview former female employees of Fox News in addition to current staff."
Sherman also reported that the owners of 21st Century Fox, the Murdochs, "have decided to remove" Ailes, but have not determined exactly when or how.
CNN has not independently verified the report.
In a statement responding to Sherman's report, 21st Century Fox pointedly did not rule out corporate action against Ailes, but said such action would be premature.
"This matter is not yet resolved and the review is not concluded," the statement said.
Related: Roger Ailes seeks to move Gretchen Carlson case to New York
In the days since the lawsuit was filed, more than a dozen Fox hosts have stood up for Ailes in interviews and statements. That may have suggested to observers that there are far more people ready to support Ailes than Carlson.
But the non-disparagement clauses are a complicating factor.
In one instance, a former Fox commentator posted a comment on Facebook that supported Carlson -- and called Ailes a "dirty old fart" -- but said she took it down due to the non-disparagement clause.
In another case, a former Fox reporter consulted a lawyer before speaking with CNNMoney on condition of anonymity. "I think there are many people who've had the same experience Gretchen is describing," the former reporter said.
The reporter described repeated instances of harassment by Ailes and said "Roger often took verbal liberties with female employees," but would not go into any more detail, citing the non-disparagement clause.
Ailes has said Carlson's allegations are false. The two sides are now battling through court filings.
Related: Roger Ailes' defenders
Non-disparagement clauses affect former employees who sign a "separation agreement" on the way out.
The legal language is meant to protect Fox News from criticism and keep things cordial between ex-employee and ex-employer. It can be enforced through reminder letters from lawyers and, in rare cases, breach of contract lawsuits.
Other TV networks and other types of employers also use non-disparagement clauses. But according to a talent agent, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, there are at least two things that make Fox's deals especially restrictive.
In at least some cases, the clauses are worded to protect not just Fox, but "senior management," including Ailes. And "the mere acknowledgment that it exists would violate the terms of it," the agent said.
So unless the former employees are freed from the legal language, they may be limited in what they can say — to reporters and to lawyers.
"It's probably fair to say that you can't get a real, accurate investigation based on the existence of these clauses," said another industry executive who has seen the legal language in Fox's contracts.
Related: Carlson v. Ailes case deepens as decades-old harassment claims surface
Some critics of Fox have already expressed doubt about the legitimacy of the review. "This is a law firm that represents giant corporate entities," sexual harassment lawyer and advocate Lisa Bloom said on "CNN Tonight" on July 11. She asserted that the investigation is "almost certainly going to be skewed in favor of Fox News."
In addition to any legal reasons, former employees have reputational reasons to avoid commenting. Fox's hardball tactics are legendary in the television business. In the past, Ailes and his public relations staffers have attacked ex-hosts like Paula Zahn and even leaked unflattering information about current hosts and reporters.
The P.R. department has changed hands in recent years, but memories of the tactics loom large.
"Roger Ailes casts a long shadow," a former Fox producer said.
At the same time, Ailes is also admired by past and present staffers for his television production and management acumen. Blunt, politically incorrect talk is part of his appeal among some staffers.
Several of them, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Ailes is well known for making inappropriate comments, and they thought Carlson overreacted by suing.
A former Fox host remembered Ailes saying to her, "Walk down the hallway slower, I want to get a look at those legs." But she said she did not consider that to be sexual harassment, and she praised Ailes at length.
Others, however, said they believed Ailes crossed a line, but said they could not be quoted describing their experiences, even when promised anonymity.
CNNMoney (New York)
First published July 18, 2016: 2:45 PM ET
Former Fox staffers have Ailes stories -- here's why they're afraid to speak - Jul. 18, 2016
I think if you're a woman news anchor you just got to accept sexual harassment as part of your job. Because lets face it... 95% of women in news are strikingly attractive, and that isn't a coincidence.
If you're gonna use your looks to land you the gig, then take the good with the bad.
If you're gonna use your looks to land you the gig, then take the good with the bad.
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If it plays out like that, we just go farther down the toilet. We will eventually reach the point of no return and beyond the point of righting the ship. Will that happen with a Hillary win? Very possible.
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florida is all messed up so no one really knows there; and PA is in play so if Trump wins PA he can lose Fla.
right now anyone making predictions except for states like CA and UTAH, etc is full of crap. Especially the last couple of weeks where Hilary's poll numbers have been in a freefall. So those making predictions about her winning Fla should be viewed with extreme skepticism. Even the polls that are worked to always give a Democrat the edge have Hilary in a dead heat with Trump at this time.
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I saw a poll this morning that shows Trump now has a 7 point lead over Hillary. This was from a liberal biased organization. The ignorance of the "never Trump " voters is iconic. They listen to the political bull shit instead of looking at Trumps accomplishments and his track record of success in his own life. I don't really care for some of his rhetoric , but he is a great example of the American Dream. From the polls, the third party candidates are helping Trump by increasing his lead. An extremely high number of Sander's supporters are choosing Trump or a third party alternative. Trump is not the most conservative candidate that ran in this election cycle, but let's be honest, the Republican Party has not had a real conservative in many election cycles.
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I will be extremely surprised if Trump has decent debate performances and doesn't win the GE.
This election is like no other in terms of there being two candidates that both parties hate.
You know how bad of a candidate Hillary is when Jake Tapper, Wolf Blitzer, and Andrea Mitchell all say that Chris Christie's convention speech was truth.
This election is like no other in terms of there being two candidates that both parties hate.
You know how bad of a candidate Hillary is when Jake Tapper, Wolf Blitzer, and Andrea Mitchell all say that Chris Christie's convention speech was truth.
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I remember a different feeling when McCain and Romney were running. It was almost like watching the Cowboys when I was a good fan. Ok, all we need is 2 tds and a fg with 5 minutes left, we can do this.
I feel this time around like we're in overtime and Hillary elected to kick to Donald. Donald just has to score a TD to end the game.
I feel this time around like we're in overtime and Hillary elected to kick to Donald. Donald just has to score a TD to end the game.