Red Dawn

[Iamtdg]

He came to us after Tony's surgery, and the severity of the issue was known. And apparently had Carrot Top's answer.

Garrett sure as hell didn't have the answer.

Right, and like I stated before, Romo had many injuries before that shouold have made the coaches want to keep people off of him and they didn't... until Linehan.

 

[Doomsday]

So running the ball less makes RBs more subject to injury? Come on, Dooms. You are approaching Bill Bates/ROH territory at this point.

No, not running it less. Running it as a afterthought. As a secondary weapon.

In pass-first schemes when running the ball isn't the priority, you have less aggressive linemen and RBs. When you are tentative out there, you are more injury prone.

When downhill running and smash mouth is the main attack, you have less injury to linemen and RBs.

 

[Doomsday]

Right, and like I stated before, Romo had many injuries before that shouold have made the coaches want to keep people off of him and they didn't... until Linehan.

He happened to be the one to raise his hand and say "hey, let's play smash mouth."

Hell, could even have been Jerruh for all we know.

They were faced with a "Steve Austin, Astronaut" situation, but found out we actually CAN'T rebuild him, this 50 million dollar man. Therefore we gotta find a way to limit his risk exposure.

 

[Iamtdg]

No, not running it less. Running it as a afterthought. As a secondary weapon.

In pass-first schemes when running the ball isn't the priority, you have less aggressive linemen and RBs. When you are tentative out there, you are more injury prone.

When downhill running and smash mouth is the main attack, you have less injury to linemen and RBs.

I don't agree with that. While I love us playing smashmouth football, it lends itself to RBs getting hurt more.

 

[Iamtdg]

He happened to be the one to raise his hand and say "hey, let's play smash mouth."

Hell, could even have been Jerruh for all we know.

They were faced with a "Steve Austin, Astronaut" situation, but found out we actually CAN'T rebuild him, this 50 million dollar man. Therefore we gotta find a way to limit his risk exposure.

Listen, Linehan is the only new factor to the equation. You seriously think Jerry and his "are you not entertained?!?!" philosophy just flipped all of a sudden? Really?

 

[Doomsday]

I don't agree with that. While I love us playing smashmouth football, it lends itself to RBs getting hurt more.

Historically, it hasn't. They are initiating contact more often, not being the recipient of it nearly as much.

Also - lookie here, it might not have been until after the SF game, where this "great philosophical shift" took place - might have been when actually, they realized Tony wasn't good to go for the old ways.

Why? Well, 37 pass attempts and only 22 rushing attempts in that game. Has Tony seen 37 passing attempts, since?

 

[Doomsday]

Listen, Linehan is the only new factor to the equation. You seriously think Jerry and his "are you not entertained?!?!" philosophy just flipped all of a sudden? Really?

Linehan and..... Tony's debilitating surgery.

 

[Doomsday]

All I'm saying is, the main driver for going run first was Tony's back situation, not some core philosophical belief of the coaches. New ones, old ones, NONE of them were run first, smash mouth gurus.

 

[Doomsday]

And drafting three offensive linemen in the first round wasn't part of a grand strategic plan to go smash mouth, either. That's been well covered here.

 

[Iamtdg]

Why? Well, 37 pass attempts and only 22 rushing attempts in that game. Has Tony seen 37 passing attempts, since?

Yep, he had 41 against Houston and has had over 30 in 4 other games.

Regardless, less runs means less RBs getting hit headon, means less chance of injury.

 

[Iamtdg]

Linehan and..... Tony's debilitating surgery.

Broken ribs/punctured lungs/other back problems. You can't debate that point.

 

[Iamtdg]

All I'm saying is, the main driver for going run first was Tony's back situation, not some core philosophical belief of the coaches. New ones, old ones, NONE of them were run first, smash mouth gurus.

Good coaches aren't labeled. They coach to their teams talent. That's what made Johnson so good in Philly.

 

[Doomsday]

Regardless, less runs means less RBs getting hit headon, means less chance of injury.

It's the way you run it, not necessarily how many times.

Injury prone Murray got through the season with just a broken bone in his hand.

This does NOT of course, say the extra hits due to extra carries isn't cumulative, that it won't shorten a career. It does add up.

 

[Doomsday]

Broken ribs/punctured lungs/other back problems. You can't debate that point.

None of those compare to what invasive, gut 'em like a fish lower back surgery does, man. Tony said it many times himself - he even had to change how he gets into and out of bed.

Few people survive that same surgery with anywhere near the mobility they had before it. It is life changing, permanently - those other injuries are not.

 

[Iamtdg]

Full circle.

IMO, Linehan is the single biggest factor in our gameplanning philosophy.

 

[Doomsday]

Full circle.

IMO, Linehan is the single biggest factor in our gameplanning philosophy.

In response to, a debilitated QB who needs alot more protection than he was getting.

We may never know if Tony hadn't needed the surgery, would the philosophy have changed. It's sort of a moot point. I give Linehan credit for being the man who had the answer to the problem, how to better protect Tony.

But protecting him IS the driver of the change, in my mind. Necessity is a Mother.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

 

[Doomsday]

Good coaches aren't labeled. They coach to their teams talent. That's what made Johnson so good in Philly.

I assume you mean Johnson in Dallas, so I will address it that way.

Jimmy was a defensive guru. That's not a label. His "upfield pressure" model revolutionized defense. "Read and react" is gone today, and most every team whether it be a 3-4 or a 4-3, whether it be college and even high school, runs the upfield pressure scheme today. As far as offenses go, he couldn't have cared less about it. Defense was his passion.

For his upfield pressure scheme he needed a certain type of defensive lineman to run that scheme and he chose them accordingly, starting with the Selmon brothers. And in Dallas he did the same thing. Brought in the talent he needed to run his scheme. NOT merely coaching to the talent that was there.

On the offense, he brought in people to run their schemes and didn't interfere. THOSE people, notably Norv Turner, coached to the strengths of the offensive talent.

You said good coaches aren't labeled. No, good coaches label themselves with their core beliefs and philosophies they hone over decades.

 

[dbair1967]

Clever title, but I feel the content was lacking a bit.

That describes 99% of his posts

 

[yimyammer]

Our success this year was the team basically limiting the three most controversial people on this team.

Limited Jerry on draft day, not letting him draft Manziel.

Limited Jason's playcalling and decision making with an army of former head coaches.

Limited Romo by cutting down his pass attempts, running the ball, which resulted in no longer having him in obvious throwing situations trying to come back late in the 4th quarters.

Who's responsible for all this limiting?

Steven?