Preliminary contract talks begin with Spencer

[Midswat]

Wasn't he a successful 4-3 end in college?

 

[superpunk]

Yeah he was a pretty dominant 4-3 end in Purdue.

 

[Theebs]

i dont think the fit is as bad as you are making it out to be

but our pass rush fucking sucks...thats for sure

nor do I.

Last night babe had brandon carr on and they were talking about. babe has repeatedly said since the start of 11 we have better players for the 43 than the 34, he also has almost always followed that up with mike zimmer talk. So I imagine zimmer was really wanted here.

he went as far as to say that carter and lee would be outsanding in this defense and that it is a perfect for lee. Carr agreed and said lee is the leader of the defense and basically calls out the other teams plays before they snap the ball....said he never leaves the facility.

 

[Theebs]

Wasn't he a successful 4-3 end in college?

yep. remember when we drafted him, he had something like more tackles behind the line of scrimmage than any player ever....something like that.

its too far down the road with him for me though, you cant pay him at this point.

 

[bbgun]

Wasn't he a successful 4-3 end in college?

I don't think he had a choice. The vast majority of college programs run the 4-3. For that matter, Ware was probably a 4-3 end. Whether they would have blossomed in the pros as 4-3 ends is another matter.

 

[Theebs]

I don't think he had a choice. The vast majority of college programs run the 4-3. For that matter, Ware was probably a 4-3 end. Whether they would have blossomed in the pros as 4-3 ends is another matter.

spencer is an animal against the run, he would excel playing the strong side. I dont think there is any question about it.

we just can not give him all that money.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

He's barely a really good 3-4 OLB

He had 1 sick year. Big fuckin deal

He will be what he always has been-even as a 43 end. A good player.

The question is, is it worth it to overpay him in attempts to quick fix this sorry ass team

 

[Theebs]

He's barely a really good 3-4 OLB

He had 1 sick year. Big fuckin deal

He will be what he always has been-even as a 43 end. A good player.

The question is, is it worth it to overpay him in attempts to quick fix this sorry ass team

he is worth the money tbh.

the problem here is good ol stephen everyone's hero has mismanaged the cap again for the umpteenth time.

our punishment for the current cap situation is going to be losing spencer.

this team is better off letting him walk and getting the compensatory pick next year, and trying to have a great draft and find some mid level free agents who can help for a year or two.

going all in on spencer this offseason just doesnt make sense. you have to get out of the cap situation your in, especially when romo and lee need contracts and before you know dez will be chirping about money and just imagine what he is going to cost.

 

[superpunk]

spencer is an animal against the run, he would excel playing the strong side. I dont think there is any question about it.

we just can not give him all that money.

Bingo.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

DT class blows in this draft...offensive line needs to be priority #1

too many holes...just sign fuckin spencer

I wouldn't say it blows. I think some quality DTs and DEs can be had in the middle rounds. Now, I wouldn't use a 1st on any DT from this draft, especially with other glaring holes, particularly OL.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

That part is unavoidable. Did we have all the parts for a 3-4 when Tuna took over? No. Transitions like that can take years (longer if you draft poorly). At the moment, we have too many square pegs (Spencer, Crawford, Hatcher, Sensy) trying to be pounded into a round hole.

I wouldn't consider either Crawford and Hatcher as square pegs.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Hell, we coulda had Kruger.

Who is Kruger?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

nor do I.

Last night babe had brandon carr on and they were talking about. babe has repeatedly said since the start of 11 we have better players for the 43 than the 34, he also has almost always followed that up with mike zimmer talk. So I imagine zimmer was really wanted here.

he went as far as to say that carter and lee would be outsanding in this defense and that it is a perfect for lee. Carr agreed and said lee is the leader of the defense and basically calls out the other teams plays before they snap the ball....said he never leaves the facility.

I'm not too excited about Monte Kiffin being the DC. But I am definitely jacked over Lee being the Mike in the 4-3, and Carter at the Will.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Yeah, Joe Thomas and another top Big 10 tackle that year said Spencer was the toughest DE they had to block.

But in the run game, anyway, where Spencer was beasting so much was against TEs, which he got to face a lot in the 34. Not sure how he'd do full time against a RT. But one, I don't see why he couldn't bulk back up some (though he can't make his arms longer) and two, the run game is less important all the time anyway.

If we do let him go, I just wonder who we get to play there. It has to be a draft pick or someone already here in order to be cheap enough to make it worth it. And who is that? Crawford? Can he get around the edge at all? He seems like more of a big, strong tackle than an edge rusher on third down.

 

[Theebs]

Yeah, Joe Thomas and another top Big 10 tackle that year said Spencer was the toughest DE they had to block.

But in the run game, anyway, where Spencer was beasting so much was against TEs, which he got to face a lot in the 34. Not sure how he'd do full time against a RT. But one, I don't see why he couldn't bulk back up some (though he can't make his arms longer) and two, the run game is less important all the time anyway.

If we do let him go, I just wonder who we get to play there. It has to be a draft pick or someone already here in order to be cheap enough to make it worth it. And who is that? Crawford? Can he get around the edge at all? He seems like more of a big, strong tackle than an edge rusher on third down.

crawford would be a run stopper for sure.

Isnt michael bennett a free agent? He played the strong side I think, he had a terrific year. Maybe he could be on the radar?

probably cost too much however but he seems like a perfect fit. In tampa he played left and right end and shifted inside in odd sets like nickel. they kept him last year on a 2.74 restricted contract and I think he is unrestricted this year.

probably wont happen, but in this defense seems like an instant perfect fit. he has produced more and more each season.

he had 41 tackles, 9 sacks and 3 ff......plays 3 positions.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Spencer is your second best pass rusher, you let him go and you open up another spot that needs filled when there are so many holes already! You sign him and you risk him not living up to the contract because the guy has shown to be lazy and mediocre for most of his career. They guy also brings no leadership to the table.

Them's the breaks for not scouting or prioritizing correctly. If it's true that Jerry believes it's a rebuilding process going on, you don't re-sign guys who you'll be ultimately wasting during their peak years.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Yeah, Bennett killed Free in our game this year... But we wouldn't really bring him in here after all those tweets about Romo, would we?...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think he had a choice. The vast majority of college programs run the 4-3. For that matter, Ware was probably a 4-3 end. Whether they would have blossomed in the pros as 4-3 ends is another matter.

It doesn't really matter what Spencer did nearly 10 years ago.

 

[bbgun]

It doesn't really matter what Spencer did nearly 10 years ago.

Agreed. Yeah, Spencer plays the run well, but many times he doesn't have to shed blockers to get to the RB. As a LDE , you're instantly contacted by a big OT on every single play.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think Spencer will have problems playing SDE. In fact, being 5 yards closer to the QB is going to make him a more effective pass-rusher.

He's just too old (in football years), will cost too much and with the state of the current roster and the switch to a new D, it makes no sense to re-sign him.