Jerry Jones: NFL should outlaw kneel-downs

[peplaw06]

The Bucs will eventually use the kneel down play themselves. What's the alternative? Hand the ball off, risk a fumble and/or injury, and possibly lose the game? Schiano would be fired on the spot. That's why Coughlin had a good point.

Every team uses the kneel down, and everyone accepts it. In fact, every sport with a clock (hockey, bball, boxing, etc) has its own version of a kneel down.

Next up... Jerruh is gonna fix that pesky problem of intentional fouling in the last minute of basketball games.

 

[NoShame]

The Bucs will eventually use the kneel down play themselves. What's the alternative? Hand the ball off, risk a fumble and/or injury, and possibly lose the game? Schiano would be fired on the spot. That's why Coughlin had a good point.

Every team uses the kneel down, and everyone accepts it. In fact, every sport with a clock (hockey, bball, boxing, etc) has its own version of a kneel down.

Then teams (or fans) shouldn't bitch and moan when a team decides to play actual football through the final whistle.

 

[bbgun]

Next up... Jerruh is gonna fix that pesky problem of intentional fouling in the last minute of basketball games.

No more fair catches on punts. No more kneeling in the end zone on kickoffs. The list is endless.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Christ. You guys really know how to compare apples and oranges.

Whoever thinks that just because you would want the winner on offense to actually play the game for the entire time means you should get rid of the fair catch or the touchback need to have your heads examined. There is strategy in those maneuvers. There is no strategy in taking a knee.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

The Bucs will eventually use the kneel down play themselves. What's the alternative? Hand the ball off, risk a fumble and/or injury, and possibly lose the game? Schiano would be fired on the spot. That's why Coughlin had a good point.

Every team uses the kneel down, and everyone accepts it. In fact, every sport with a clock (hockey, bball, boxing, etc) has its own version of a kneel down.

No matter how minimal the chance the D owes it to the fans and game to give it a shot.

All you LD cry-babies say the game is getting too soft well here's an example of players creating contact on a 1-1,000 chance at the ball in a 1 score game.

The giants are increasing their chances of a win by kneeling rather than a running play.. The bucs were increasing their chance at winning by playing the down.

 

[NoShame]

No more fair catches on punts. No more kneeling in the end zone on kickoffs. The list is endless.

Not even close to being comparable situations.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Then teams (or fans) shouldn't bitch and moan when a team decides to play actual football through the final whistle.

Uh...yeah they can. That's why Schiano is thinking like a narrow-minded idiot here. There will come a week when Freeman needs to kneel down, and anyone involved with Tampa will get just as pissed if their offense is bull rushed. Anyone who has ever played team sports knows about these unwritten rules.

Tampa had an ample set of opportunities to win that game. Don't resort to bull rushing at the last second when all else has failed.

While it's always fun to watch Eli fall on his ass, that kinda shit is definitely just petty and childish.

 

[bbgun]

Christ. You guys really know how to compare apples and oranges.

Whoever thinks that just because you would want the winner on offense to actually play the game for the entire time means you should get rid of the fair catch or the touchback need to have your heads examined. There is strategy in those maneuvers.

But they're still "dead" plays. Instead of competing by returning the ball, they're waving a white flag. If the point of the fair catch is to avoid injury, the same can be said of a QB taking a knee.

There is no strategy in taking a knee.

Of course there is. It's called WINNING. Doing everything you can to avoid a turnover in a critical situation IS a strategy.

 

[NoShame]

Uh...yeah they can. That's why Schiano is thinking like a narrow-minded idiot here. There will come a week when Freeman needs to kneel down, and anyone involved with Tampa will get just as pissed if their offense is bull rushed. Anyone who has ever played team sports knows about these unwritten rules.

Tampa had an ample set of opportunities to win that game. Don't resort to bull rushing at the last second when all else has failed.

While it's always fun to watch Eli fall on his ass, that kinda shit is definitely just petty and childish.

I could see your point if it was more than one score and the game was out of hand. I could. It wouldn't make much sense at that point to keep playing... Almost like it doesn't make any sense for an offense to be playing in garbage time when they have no chance at winning either. I do see your point.

BUT, the game was 41-34.. By my math, thats one score. If a fumble happens on that play and you recover... You have a chance now. Even with one second on the clock. Thats hardly petty and hardly childish.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

I'm sure Schiano will take a knee at some point. The difference is, he'll tell his O-line to be ready for the other team to actually play instead of standing there.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

The knee has nothing to do with a gentlemens agreement. It's the offenses surest way to a win. Why would we expect any less from the defense?

But they're still "dead" plays. Instead of competing by returning the ball, they're waving a white flag. If the point of the fair catch is to avoid injury, the same can be said of a QB taking a knee.



Of course there is. It's called WINNING. Doing everything you can to avoid a turnover in a critical situation IS a strategy.

 

[bbgun]

The knee has nothing to do with a gentlemens agreement. It's the offenses surest way to a win. Why would we expect any less from the defense?

I never bashed the Bucs for what they did. They were still within one score of tying the game. But "keepaway" is a strategy.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

I never bashed the Bucs for what they did. They were still within one score of tying the game. But "keepaway" is a strategy.

Absolutely. It's their safest play. That's why Tom & Eli are retarded pussies. They weren't being good sports, they were being smart. And the smartest thing the D can do is try to dislodge the ball. It's gonna work for someone eventually

 

[ZeroClub]

Jerry doesn't like the kneel down, but doesn't mind asking Cowboys fans to bend over....

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IMO, the strangest play in today's football:

the" run right to the goal line, then intentionally fall, so you can burn more time off the clock before you score" play

You never used to see that. However now that the NFL has neutered defenses and shifted the fundamental balance between defenses and offenses, the above play makes sense.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I guess that I just see it differently.

1) Tampa's D gave up a lead by allowing a TD with 30 seconds left.
2) Tampa's ST failed to score on the ensuing kickoff
3) Tampa's offense had :25 to score a TD, and Freeman threw a couple incomplete passes followed by an INT, leaving :05 seconds on the clock.

Over the last 50+ years, there have been thousands of coaches and players who would accept defeat at this point (assuming they don't have timeouts), no matter what the score. That even includes coaches in elimination playoff games and the Super Bowl.

I doubt Schiano is going to be the one dude who breaks that culture and trend in the NFL.

 

[peplaw06]

Schiano should have had his team going all out on that last Giants drive.

 

[NoShame]

Rutgers twice forced victory formation fumbles under Schiano

Posted by Mike Florio on September 17, 2012, 9:25 PM EDT

The debate regarding whether the Bucs were right to crash the Giants’ victory formation rages on. But before reaching a final conclusion, consider this nugget from Ian Rapoport of NFL Network: During 11 years at Rutgers, Schiano’s defense twice forced a fumble in victory formation.

Both happened in 2009, against Pitt and against West Virginia. (In the West Virginia game, the Scarlet Knights were offside.)

So consider that when deciding whether it was — or wasn’t — a “cheap shot” to decide to take a shot at forcing the ball loose and in turn forcing overtime and in turn winning the game.