It's not the Oline

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm exaggerating a little here, but reading on PFW I caught that only 2 players have started every game on the line for the Patriots (Nate Solder and Ryan Wendell) and had a 2nd year OT step in for their best Olineman this year (Sebastian Volmer) yesterday.

Despite that, the Patriots have been able to attempt the 3rd most passes in the NFL while only allowing 15 sacks, 4th fewest in the league.

Example 2: The Packers have a shitty line, no running game and a bunch of injuries to their WRs and Aaron Rodgers is having another stellar year.

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Jason Garrett has failed on so many levels here that it's not even funny. He is so out of his element, or too damn stubborn, take your pick, that I think the only thing he can do to save his job is to relinquish the play-calling duties to Callahan...for forever.

Of course we need another overhaul of the line too, but still, a smart offensive coordinator would be able to compensate for shortcomings, at least a little. With the days of the salary cap, you're not going to build a top to bottom, stellar, 53-man roster. You're going to come up short somewhere, and with our complete inability to scout Olinemen, that short stick is going to continually be the Oline. So we need an offensive mind to draw game-plans around that.

Either we draw a bunch of quick-developing routes like the Pats do, or we get us an Aaron Rodgers. Or Garrett needs to take his finely cropped head out of his ass.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Too bad the Seahawks nabbed Max Unger before we could.

 

[Midswat]

No, yeah... it's the Oline.

 

[Sheik]

I think we could even get by if they weren't so fucking prone to killing drives with penalties.

But yeah, the line is horrible. Worse than 2010, worse than anything we've seen from the BP era until now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Midswat, I know that there are few mono-syllabic words in my post, so I'll give you more time to finish reading it, re-read it and then get back to me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think we could even get by if they weren't so fucking prone to killing drives with penalties.

But yeah, the line is horrible. Worse than 2010, worse than anything we've seen from the BP era until now.

We could definitely do without Derrick Dockery. That dude is fucking terrible. Been in the league 10 years now and can't recognize a stunt.

 

[Midswat]

Midswat, I know that there are few mono-syllabic words in my post, so I'll give you more time to finish reading it, re-read it and then get back to me.

Games are won and lost in the trenches. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're exceptions.

I've seen the Packers play. Yes, their line is bad. Not nearly as bad as ours. Every Romo drop back results in hits. Every offensive highlight consists of a Romo houdini act.

Even the only running game highlight that I can think of - the Murray 40+ yarder week one - was a play that was blown up in the backfield and only possible because Murray reversed direction twice, broke two would be tackles in the backfield, and knocked Kiwanuka on his ass.

The line is putrid.

 

[Midswat]

We could definitely do without Derrick Dockery. That dude is fucking terrible. Been in the league 10 years now and can't recognize a stunt.

What bothers me most is, while Holland wasn't a world beater, he had the best workout of any guard we worked out this Summer. But he wanted playing time incentives and the team balked. So he remains a free agent while our line remains a turnstyle.

Yeah, we're real commited to winning.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Games are won and lost in the trenches. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're exceptions.

I've seen the Packers play. Yes, their line is bad. Not nearly as bad as ours. Every Romo drop back results in hits. Every offensive highlight consists of a Romo houdini act.

Even the only running game highlight that I can think of - the Murray 40+ yarder week one - was a play that was blown up in the backfield and only possible because Murray reversed direction twice, broke two would be tackles in the backfield, and knocked Kiwanuka on his ass.

The line is putrid.

Do you honestly trust our FO enough to assemble 5, quality guys on the line? I mean, how far should we strive to improve the Oline? Do we want All-Pros at every spot? At only 2? 3? Do you want to invest 250 mil in the line? 5 1st round picks there?

Like I said, we're probably going to have to used going into games short in the Oline department and need to adapt accordingly.

 

[Jon88]

Our line is worse than awful. We can't draft quality lineman. It's unreal.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What bothers me most is, while Holland wasn't a world beater, he had the best workout of any guard we worked out this Summer. But he wanted playing time incentives and the team balked. So he remains a free agent while our line remains a turnstyle.

Yeah, we're real commited to winning.

That bothers you? Holland is an unsigned bum.

 

[Midswat]

Do you honestly trust our FO enough to assemble 5, quality guys on the line? I mean, how far should we strive to improve the Oline? Do we want All-Pros at every spot? At only 2? 3? Do you want to invest 250 mil in the line? 5 1st round picks there?

Like I said, we're probably going to have to used going into games short in the Oline department and need to adapt accordingly.

If we had an offensive line worth a shit, then we could win the East and make noise in the playoffs. So yes, I'd dedicate the off season to improving the Oline by any means neccessary.

Warmack in the 1st. Trade up to get Barrett Jones at the end of the first, early 2nd.

 

[Midswat]

That bothers you? Holland is an unsigned bum.

Dockery, Costa, Free, Bernadeau should all be unsigned bums as well.

 

[Hoofbite]

Hey, Aaron Rodgers can do it.........so anyone can.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I anticipated one of you smartasses would say something like this:

Hey, Aaron Rodgers can do it.........so anyone can.

Eitherwe draw a bunch of quick-developing routes like the Pats do, or we get us an Aaron Rodgers. Or Garrett needs to take his finely cropped head out of his ass.

 

[Hoofbite]

Bob, you need some help with that quote function?

Looks like you're struggling with it.

 

[bkeavs]

Bob you still on a run since Thanksgiving

How many times has Romo dropped back and not had to slide step or rush a throw. He literally doesn't have a chance back there.
That said. Garret should somehow adjust to the issues. More screens, draws. Anything but dropping back and waiting for the receivers to run the same routes before he gets killed.

Fix the online. Give Romo a chance to play Qb like Eli, Brady. Without having to rush every single throw. I bet you see his turnovers cut in half

 

[VAcowboy]

Bob you still on a run since Thanksgiving

How many times has Romo dropped back and not had to slide step or rush a throw. He literally doesn't have a chance back there.
That said. Garret should somehow adjust to the issues. More screens, draws. Anything but dropping back and waiting for the receivers to run the same routes before he gets killed.

Fix the online. Give Romo a chance to play Qb like Eli, Brady. Without having to rush every single throw. I bet you see his turnovers cut in half

Actually, Garrett did adjust--in the third quarter against Cleveland. He went to a no-huddle, three step drop, Bill Walsh-style short passing game. And the team went right down the field. WHY this shouldn't be the stock Dallas offense is beyond me.

 

[Jerry_Jones_For_Life]

Yep, we need to draft heavy for offensive lineman in this up coming draft no doubt. Overall, we need OL, S, QB, DL.

 

[Jon88]

Yep, we need to draft heavy for offensive lineman in this up coming draft no doubt. Overall, we need OL, S, QB, DL.

We're set at QB for the next 5 years unless we get the piece of shit in front of him fixed. If not, 2 at the most.