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[yimyammer]

Massie is a punk. Tell me this...if he's so concerned with the debt and not grandstanding, then tell me why he voted to increase the debt ceiling under the previous administration that spent recklessly on the Green New Deal and other giveaways? Where were his principles then?

I have no doubt that there can be more cuts in this bill. But there's also a plan to address the debt ceiling with the increase in tariffs and GDP. If Trump thinks he needs to increase the debt ceiling, then I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt because I believe he knows the issues facing the country and has a long term plan to address it.

Trump at least has a history with the economy. His first term was derailed by COVID which I suspect was deliberate to alter the election. All of us here were probably better off during the first Trump term....at least I was, by far. He has to fix the mess that the fraud in the White House and the deep state with the auto pen left the county in.

I haven’t followed Massie’s every word or action or vote to be able to answer your question so I’ll have to defer to you so perhaps you’re right about him. All I can say is I at least like his lip service but maybe that’s all it is

As far as the debt ceiling goes, I’m just against it. I’m a staunch anti-increased debt person. I guarantee you there is a massive amount of waste in this bill and the excess spending across DC has been pointed out by doge (but not ended) and if all the elected assholes would get off their asses, read the damn bills and strike the shit out of all the nonsense, they wouldn’t need an increase in the debt ceiling.

Maybe Massey is full of shit, but it appears Rand is not and he openly said he’s not voting for the bill as long as the debt ceiling is in it. If everyone in Washington was that adamant about getting rid of our debt, we wouldn’t need a debt ceiling increase. Hopefully his actions and anyone else opposed for the same reasons at least forces the bill to be edited to remove as much excess as possible because you know damn well it’s there.

Every damn bill is bloated with bullshit and even Rand pointed out an example in the video I sent. I haven’t read it, but I suspect there’s tons of stuff that could be cut, but little change will happen and I’m sure it’ll pass, the debt will continue to go up and someday soon we’re all gonna wish someone had the to temerity to stop it or discipline to keep it from happening in the first place.

I do have hope tariffs and growth can reduce the deficit, but as long as theres a debt ceiling, there will be some MFer in DC finding a way to spend it

Also, while I’m for tariffs, they are hurting businesses that made orders before the tariffs went into effect. I think the Trump administration needs to take a closer look at how it’s affecting those people who made equipment orders, etc., prior to the implementation of the tariffs. So for example, someone purchased a $500,000 piece of equipment prior to the tariff being enacted on China. It arrives at a US port when the tariffs are now 140% and the guy has to pay over over 1 million for it and may not have the funds to make up the difference, forcing it to stay at the dock, be sold at auction or destroyed but the buyer is still out for the purchase price. That doesn’t seem fair and is an unfair burden on the person who made the purchase when the tariff wasn’t in effect so I think there should be a grandfather clause where they don’t apply to purchases prior to the tariffs and Trump should be made aware of this fact
and create the necessary exception

And I don’t give Trump the benefit of the doubt because he passed the $8 trillion bill when he was president and it was loaded with bullshit. Go read it. There was $1 billion for the Smithsonian Institute written into it for example and that’s just the tip of the iceberg It was supposed to be for Covid relief not the money grab it became. He should’ve vetoed it on principle and forced it to be rewritten only to support the most needy in our country. I didn’t need a $1200 check. I bet you didn’t either and I bet almost anyone that reads this didn’t need it either. Even if someone did need it, $1200 probably didn’t do diddly squat to make their situation any better

Every solution in DC always seems to be about spending, never about cutting and once they get the greenlight to spend in one area, it never stops

 

[Creeper]

I don’t agree at all, they’re both against raising the debt ceiling and despise how high our debt has become, everyone should agree with this and be vigilantly working to drastically lower this debt, better yet, get rid of it altogether. Rand is making great points about the BBBill and I’m glad he’s pushing back on it to get it revised and spending cut where it can easily be done. He also wants the raising of the debt ceiling removed from this bill so that it can be voted on as a separate issue (and hopefully defeated)

I find Rand and Massie reasonable and cut from the same cloth I am

Here’s a good interview with Rand discussing the BBBill and Iran. He makes some interesting points about Iran but seems to imply sanctions, etc are going to keep them from getting nukes, I think all the deals done with Iran regarding nukes just kick the can down the road while they continue to work to obtain them. I’m not sure what the solution is because it kind of feels like we’re damned if we do something and damned if we don’t, so hopefully whatever Israel’s doing will work and a miracle happen where Iran falls (relatively) peacefully from within, and the country can return to a place where it was back in the 70s where it’s not an enemy and more moderate. The people seem great, all the Iranians I’ve ever met are awesome, fun and talented.

I like Massie. I completely understand where he is coming from. Republicans keep going along with the crowd and never doing what they say they will do. If Republicans are different than Dems, the cut spending while you have the chance. That's the only way this is going to get fixed or at least avoid the US going over a fiscal cliff.

I don't like the lack of tolerance on the right. We look like Democrats when we act like purists. What makes us better is the diversity of opinions.

As for Iran, we should have learned that toppling a country and installing Democracy is not easy. We cannot bomb a country into submission., at least not without nukes. After the bombing stops we need to send in ground troops and no one wants that.

 

[Dodger12]

 

[yimyammer]

Damn, did Massie say something recently to get Trump fired up or is it just because he's likely to vote against the BBBill?