Day After Thoughts- Tough loss to Philly

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Yeah we all knew he'd go there. He does it all the time and therefore has no meaning coming from him.

I'm not a fan of the whole "moral victory" thing but I do think it the performance gives some room for optimism. Not Soup Bowl optimism mind you, but giving some teams problems and maybe sneaking in as a WC, possibly.

Will be very interested to see how they play v NYG. If we win convincingly or win and look solid doing it, we might be onto something. Need to win as many of these first 10 games as we can because the end of season is brutal.
After 30 years, I am not interested in ANYTHING other than the SUPER BOWL. It matters not a thing to me if Dallas wins zero games, or 10 games, or 12 games.

In fact, I'd rather see zero games than 12 and done.

When I look at the team, I ask myself, "Can this team stop Lamar Jackson and Henry in the Super Bowl?" Can this team stop Mahomes and Kelce, and can they handle Chris Jones? Can this team get past a healthy Lions with their running game, or a healthy Niners, etc.

A GM interested in winning the Super Bowl needs to look at it that way. Just winning games in "cat nip" for fans to keep buying tickets and keep them interested.

When we had DTs like John Dutton, Randy White, Russell Maryland, Leon Lett we never would have settled for a Fran Tarkenton or a Steve Young getting 5 first downs on us.

Things have gotten so pathetic that we are celebrating A LOSS! And the cuck sports writers play along.
 

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Really disappointing loss, we were in it all the way and had a chance up to the last drive. Clearly was not what I (or most anyone) expected. I definitely believed the Eagles would win fairly easily (even before we traded Parsons). I had a rule when I used to gamble on NFL games that I would never bet on any games Dallas was playing in but admit I would have been very tempted to take Philly minus the 7 1/2 last night. Seemed like a lock.

In the end though, we still lost. They lost because two pretty highly paid guys had too many drops and one veteran RB who shouldn't have made the team anyway lost a fumble at the worst possible time.

1) Last yr (and sometimes in other years) I'd start out flaming the QB. But he gets props for last night from me, he played a really, really good game and threw a ton of great balls. Didn't always have the cleanest protections which resulted in him having to avoid a few sacks, but even with that he for the most part delivered the ball into spots where our guys could catch it. All 3 of Lamb's drops were perfect throws. The one he didn't haul in at the end ala Butch Johnson style was also a near perfect throw. The ball he threw to Ferguson on 3rd and 20+ into the endzone was a perfect throw. If he could play this way every week I doubt many would complain.

2) Lamb will go down as a major goat for the drops. Had a good night of production with 7/110 and could have had another mass Eagles torture night had he caught those other 3. That said, when seeing the replays of the deep one he dropped I do think Tolbert is partly to blame. He clearly runs the wrong route and ends up almost right on top of Lamb. He also made a nonchalant effort to try and catch the throw himself. He's right in Lamb's line of sight and even the slightest distraction can cause receivers to drop balls. Still doesn't excuse Lamb for dropping it,he's a superstar and makes too much money to miss that. But I do think Tolbert is partly to blame. Will be interesting to see if is PT is impacted moving forward (I thought Flournoy was better than him anyway)

3) I thought Schottenheimer called a good 1st game. I think he had the team ready to play and for the most part alot of the maddening dumbfuck plays we were used to seeing for 5 yrs under McCarthy didnt happen. Total for the game we had only 4 penalties and one of those was a save the QB hold on Tyler Smith. Encouraging to me for sure even if we did ultimately lose the game. They DID look like a better coached and better prepared team than we typically saw.

4) OL clearly has talent but is also a work in progress. Guyton got almost no training camp time after his injury and held up pretty well. Steele was not quite as bad as I expected (did get beaten bad on a couple of run block plays). The interior was pretty good in run blocking but were a mixed bag in pass protection, seemed like they got confused on a handful of reps and let guy through forcing Dak to bail or throw the ball away. Probably also a product of no real game time in preseason as a unit together. Arrow definitely pointing up for them though. Run blocking opened some nice holes and generated a decent push on most downs, short yardage/goal-line rushes were much improved.

5) Came away pleasantly surprised at Javonte Williams. He ran hard and made the tough yards and had two nice between the tackle TDs inside the 5. Also caught a couple of passes. Hopefully when Blue is healthy/ready they remove Miles Sanders completely though. Had a 49 yd run (nice) but it was so well blocked that almost ANY other RB would have scored a TD on that play, but he got run down. Then had a miserable fucking fumble on a 1st down run (he has had issues with fumbling prior to here). His other 3 carris netted 4 yds and he lost another 3 on a pass play. I never thought he should have made the team to begin with, now firmly believe he should be cut this week. Really hope we get to see Phil Mafah some once he is healthy.

6) The defense was really bad in the 1st half, reminiscent of the Monte Kiffin/Mike Nolan times. They couldnt stop anything. That said, they did seem to make some adjustments and played much better in the 2nd half, especially after the storm delay. Kenny Clark is a huge upgrade from bust Mazi (who was deactivated, at this point not sure why he is on the team either). Odiggy got quick penetration quite a bit but on many of those plays (esp 1st half) there was no one to contain/finish. I think if those two stay healthy along with Solomon Thomas we are in good shape there. Thomas was also quite active. I thought the young DE's got better and better as game wore on. Sam Williams had 5 tackels and several pressures. Kneeland looked really good and got full credit for our 1 sack. Ezeiruaku started slow but should have drawn an obvious holding call in Eagles 1st TD drive (3rd down scramble by Hurts for 1st) and nearly had a sack when he blew by their all-pro LT later in the game. There's some hope on the DL I think.

7) AJ Brown and Devonte Smith combined for 4 catches for 24 yds, and a long play of only 8 yds. Good job by our secondary on them. In fact the Eagles had only one completion the entire game over NINE yards (that long one to Dotson, which was a perfect throw by Hurts). Diggs played, not sure what his snap count was but he looked like he was moving and covering well. Again, some hope for the backend of the defense. Diggs should improve the healthier he gets and at some point we will get our talented 3rd rd pick Revel on the field too.

8) Never seen anything like that Jalen Carter fiasco. How the hell could a guy be that fucking dumb? That said, this kind of stuff WAS something that Georgia coaches didn't like about him, very immature. I'm sure him missing the game had an impact but thats 100% on him. FAFO

9) Ferguson won't get the blame level Lamb is getting but he should get his fair share. Awful drop on that 3rd and 22 play that should have been a TD. He didn't really get open much and didn't appear to be all that much of a factor in the run game with his blocking either. He also had what appeared to be a fuck up play of his own on Williams 2nd TD run. Everyone is run blocking for what was obviously a run play call, but Ferguson for some reason runs a pass route. Williams got in but the play would have probably been a much easier TD had he blocked somebody. He got a big pay day (unexpected) and he needs to play like he did his rookie and second years. Last yr he had the injuries but when he was on the field he was very mediocre. Last night looked like more of the same.

10) Hope we see them incorporate more of Pickens and Turpin in coming games. Both guys are weapons and could help take more heat off Lamb. TE's were pretty much a zero for us last night (despite 8 total targets) so maybe they need to throw a little more to Williams and Luepke (and Blue once he gets on the field) to make up for it.

It's a loss and I still don't think we're really a "playoff" team but the team did look better, much better than I expected. They are extremely young (3rd youngest in the league I believe) and we should see some improvement week to week. Key will be staying healthy obviously. But overall pleased with what we saw from Schotty in his 1st game.

I forget who said it but someone smarter than me once said winners make plays, losers make excuses. I am not saying CeeDee is making excuses. He took responsibility. But winners make the plays he didn't. Some folks got pretty nasty about Micah not making plays in big games then asking for $2010 million. CeeDee already got paid. He can't be dropping any of those passes he dropped - and there were a few. Two of his drops were batted in the air and almost intercepted. Imagine if the Eagles actually came down with those batted balls.
 

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And Schotty likely won't do this because it's not his personality, but the flexing done by Lamb and especially Turpin after all they did was catch the Fn football needs to stop! You don't get to flex until you have a ring! Lamb waving bye bye to fans after he catches the ball needs to stop.

I don't want individualism. I don't want your personality to shine. I want a team. You do not celebrate your individual accomplishments.

I think I see less showboating from the Chiefs than I do the Cowboys.
 

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I think we also need to evaluate from the Eagles' perspective. I'm sure they have several plays they'd like back. Good teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose.

The Eagles defense is supposedly the youngest in the NFL and they were missing their best defensive player. Anything we saw from Javonte, Dak, and so forth should be seen in that context. Granted, some of our guys like Booker will get better (should get better), but the Eagles also have guys who should get better.

Eagles have much better depth at DT than the Cowboys right now. If we were to lose Kenny Clark, then what? The Eagles didn't totally fall apart when they lost Carter. Instead, their depth stepped up. Of course, the fact that our run game really doesn't scare anyone probably made their DT depth look better than it is.

One point that people seem to be missing about the few yards that the Eagles WRs got is that they did a great job blocking and their blocking helped them get 158 yards in the running game.

Hurts picked up 5 first downs running the ball. Until Dallas figures out how to stop that X factor, the Eagles will likely win again. Hurts ran for 62 yards, but it's not the yards that matter, it's moving the chains 5 times.

I'm very curious to see what Abdul Carter does (or doesn't do) to out LT given that they have a beast at DT.
The Eagles have a problem on their OL is Dickerson can't play. I think they also have a CB problem.

Once the Eagles went to that 5 man front, the Cowboys OL lost their composure and made a lot of mistakes. Steele, Booker, and even Beebe whiffed on some blocks. They need time to gel.
 

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They got away with quite a bit of holding. Their T's especially. At least two of those scrambles included blatant holds of the variety that can't be written off as "oops we just missed that". They ignored them.

But I do think moving forward they have to have a little different plan for the really mobile QB's we face. The containment wasnt very good, especially in the first half.
Spoken like a true fan with blue colored glasses.
 

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And Schotty likely won't do this because it's not his personality, but the flexing done by Lamb and especially Turpin after all they did was catch the Fn football needs to stop! You don't get to flex until you have a ring! Lamb waving bye bye to fans after he catches the ball needs to stop.

I don't want individualism. I don't want your personality to shine. I want a team. You do not celebrate your individual accomplishments.

I think I see less showboating from the Chiefs than I do the Cowboys.
Players on every team in the league do it now. The excess celebrations and theatrics are like a plague. They even do it to celebrate the simplest of plays.

It's not just Dallas.
 

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Spoken like a true fan with blue colored glasses.
Well do you fucking disagree with the videos they've put up?

Nothing to do with blue colored glasses...the facts are there for all to see.

They didn't call it, ok fine. But don't act like this is some sort of revisionist or "fan" level officiating. Those guys held, a couple of them very blatant and obvious. Right out where everyone could see it. Maybe our guys got away with some stuff too I don't know. But I do know they got two or three key first downs on plays Hurts took off running, and he got away due to someone putting the rape job on one of our guys who had chances to make a play.
 

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I forget who said it but someone smarter than me once said winners make plays, losers make excuses. I am not saying CeeDee is making excuses. He took responsibility. But winners make the plays he didn't. Some folks got pretty nasty about Micah not making plays in big games then asking for $2010 million. CeeDee already got paid. He can't be dropping any of those passes he dropped - and there were a few. Two of his drops were batted in the air and almost intercepted. Imagine if the Eagles actually came down with those batted balls.
He had some bad drops. He's only had one other game his entire career like that.

Nobody catches everything. Even Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin dropped some passes.

Hopefully this doesn't become a regular thing.
 

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The Eagles have a problem on their OL is Dickerson can't play. I think they also have a CB problem.

Once the Eagles went to that 5 man front, the Cowboys OL lost their composure and made a lot of mistakes. Steele, Booker, and even Beebe whiffed on some blocks. They need time to gel.
Yes, our hope for winning the super bowl seems to rest on if every player on every other team gets hurt, LOL.

We aren't a terrible team. There is hope. BUT, that DT position can be a real Achilles heel.

I just hope Jerry doesn't use one of our 1st round picks to overpay for a DT this year in an attempt to further solidify the position this year. While it's not the worst move in the world, I'd rather keep the pick and see what happens at this point

The Chiefs had, IMHO, the best OT in the draft fall into their friggin lap! You can get a very good player even if Green Bay's pick is in the 30s.

Since Jerry likes throwing away 4th round picks, maybe there is a DT that can be had for a 3rd or 4th.

Also, regarding Dickerson. Roseman is a very good GM. The season just got started. He'll figure it out. The trade deadline is a ways away.
 

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A GM interested in winning the Super Bowl needs to look at it that way. Just winning games in "cat nip" for fans to keep buying tickets and keep them interested
Actually with his business model all the seats are pre sold so the financial structure and security has zero to do with the product on the field or actual butts in seats. He protected himself against getting hurt financially by fickle fans.
 

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Well do you fucking disagree with the videos they've put up?

Nothing to do with blue colored glasses...the facts are there for all to see.

They didn't call it, ok fine. But don't act like this is some sort of revisionist or "fan" level officiating. Those guys held, a couple of them very blatant and obvious. Right out where everyone could see it. Maybe our guys got away with some stuff too I don't know. But I do know they got two or three key first downs on plays Hurts took off running, and he got away due to someone putting the rape job on one of our guys who had chances to make a play.
You also need to also consider the calls that didn't go the Eagles' way. Like, MOST NOTABLY, kicking Carter out of the game! Even Dak said he thought it would only be a 15 yard penalty.

Or do the bad calls that go against the other team not count?
 

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Actually with his business model all the seats are pre sold so the financial structure and security has zero to do with the product on the field or actual butts in seats. He protected himself against getting hurt financially by fickle fans.
OK, but fans don't attend the games if the team totally sucks and the concessions at the stadium are world famous for being way over priced.
 

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Things have gotten so pathetic that we are celebrating A LOSS! And the cuck sports writers play along.
I think this is a gross exaggeration.

I don't see anyone "celebrating a loss". I think the vast majority of level headed people expected a really poor performance blowout or fairly unimpressive loss.

There were definitely things to be concerned with but there were also a few glimmers of hope. The fact that it was a real game for 60 mins and we were a couple dropped balls and/or an untimely fumble from winning the game outright is somewhat of a reason for optimism. They ran us off the field badly twice last yr. Last night this ended up a fairly even contest.
 

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OK, but fans don't attend the games if the team totally sucks and the concessions at the stadium are world famous for being way over priced.
Yes he can't protect himself completely, but on the other hand too there's the league revenue sharing. It would be a bad visual to have the joint only half full but it really would only hurt his ego.
 

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You also need to also consider the calls that didn't go the Eagles' way. Like, MOST NOTABLY, kicking Carter out of the game! Even Dak said he thought it would only be a 15 yard penalty.

Or do the bad calls that go against the other team not count?
Well was that a "bad call"????

The dude spit on him, right in from of an official. Apparently it's well within the refs autonomy to throw him out for that.

Again, if a guy is that fucking stupid he deserves what he gets. But it wasn't a "bad call"
 

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Players on every team in the league do it now. The excess celebrations and theatrics are like a plague. They even do it to celebrate the simplest of plays.

It's not just Dallas.
For all that the Chiefs have accomplished, I don't think I see them celebrating simple catches or runs. The Eagles JUST won the SB. Did you see as much? Maybe my eyes just weren't as focused on the Eagles.

I saw, for example, Hurts run into the end zone and throw the ball underhanded into the stands. I saw Barkley jump up and down a couple of times after scoring. I'm talking about celebrating a catch. A first down. Or sometimes, not even a first down.

But what Lamb and Turpin do is they flex like they are bad asses after catching the ball.
 

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For all that the Chiefs have accomplished, I don't think I see them celebrating simple catches or runs. The Eagles JUST won the SB. Did you see as much? Maybe my eyes just weren't as focused on the Eagles.

I saw, for example, Hurts run into the end zone and throw the ball underhanded into the stands. I saw Barkley jump up and down a couple of times after scoring. I'm talking about celebrating a catch. A first down. Or sometimes, not even a first down.

But what Lamb and Turpin do is they flex like they are bad asses after catching the ball.
watch any game you want...its league wide

certainly not every player...but plenty of guys celebrate simple tackles or catches etc etc all the time...college players are doing it too
 

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Well was that a "bad call"????

The dude spit on him, right in from of an official. Apparently it's well within the refs autonomy to throw him out for that.

Again, if a guy is that fucking stupid he deserves what he gets. But it wasn't a "bad call"
Again, even Dak thought it would only be a 15 yard penalty. Game is just getting started and you throw out a star player, not a backup, not just a guy, but the best defender on the team without knowing what happened.

Bad call, and only people with blue colored glasses would think otherwise. Yes, it was a penalty. NOT an ejection.

Or how about the call with Fergy in the end zone? That was ticky-tak. The DB is running full steam. YUP, he had enough time to see Fergy drop it, but the reason for the arm going up was to brace himself. Did the refs expect him to just stop on a dime without bracing himself?

The point is YOU are only looking at it from a Cowboys point of view, so you disregard all the calls that went against the Eagles.

And, BTW, when that type of play is drawn up, they know full well the DB is coming in hot, so the ball placement needs to be perfect.

There was also another medicine ball Dak threw to Ferguson.
 
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