Claiborne: ‘I feel like I’m a totally different player from when I first started camp

[GloryDaysRBack]

I know you didn't ask me but I'm pissed about not going. My brother is in last year at NYU so I have a free place to stay. Cowboys/Giants on Wednesday and then 3 days later, same stadium, USC/Syracuse. Can I get Wed-Fri off at work? No.

F me.

Lets go..I'll buy your ticket.

For serious

 

[Theebs]

for some odd reason I thought you lived in NY.

You have season Tix. You probably live in TX.

Live in dfw, from central ny.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

For some odd reason I thought theebs lived in Mansfield Texas.

 

[Midswat]

Yeah, no shit. If Claiborne busts then trading up for him wasn't smart... We know.

lol

 

[UVAwahoos]

The point is that the team has some shitty scouting and evaluation. They reach on draft picks (Dez, Murray) and get cute (S/T draft, Felix) with hopes to strike gold. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't. I rarely see the true perennial contenders trade away draft picks recklessly in order to fix deficiencies on their team. Pittsburgh, NE, GB, NO, and the Giants all had some MAJOR holes going into free agency and the draft.

Well-run organizations with proper scouting do not need to gamble on guys like Dez, Quincy, Matt Johnson, Bruce Carter, Murray, etc.

That's the kind of shit that Seattle does with a player like Irvin or teams like Cleveland and Miami do when they desperately reach for a shitty QB. It's no coincidence that Dallas is lumped in with teams like this. It's a loser organization now.

In the meantime, we have a turnstile at center and if Romo gets killed bc of it, we'll be starting the much less mobile Orton and probably looking at signing McNabb or Derek Anderson off the street. Was an undeveloped Claiborne worth all this for a team that supposedly has a window open? Only in Jerryland.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

The point is that the team has some shitty scouting and evaluation. They reach on draft picks (Dez, Murray) and get cute (S/T draft, Felix) with hopes to strike gold. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't. I rarely see the true perennial contenders trade away draft picks recklessly in order to fix deficiencies on their team. Pittsburgh, NE, GB, NO, and the Giants all had some MAJOR holes going into free agency and the draft.

Well-run organizations with proper scouting do not need to gamble on guys like Dez, Quincy, Matt Johnson, Bruce Carter, Murray, etc.

That's the kind of shit that Seattle does with a player like Irvin or teams like Cleveland and Miami do when they desperately reach for a shitty QB. It's no coincidence that Dallas is lumped in with teams like this. It's a loser organization now.

In the meantime, we have a turnstile at center and if Romo gets killed bc of it, we'll be starting the much less mobile Orton and probably looking at signing McNabb or Derek Anderson off the street. Was an undeveloped Claiborne worth all this for a team that supposedly has a window open? Only in Jerryland.

You make a lot of good points..

I don't think Dez was a reach at 24..he was going to be taken somewhere around there...looks like he's panning out too

I'm not sure on Murray. I don't think he was much of a reach in the 3rd either. IIRC, he was also projected to go somewhere around there. He also looks like a home run pick.

I don't know if Claiborne is going to pan out or not. He has to be exceptional for the trade to make sense, it's possible it does work out. Let's wait and see.

What I do know is, if you think this team sucks at drafting, then moving up makes more sense bc it's easier to hit on the top 10 picks than it is later in the draft

 

[Midswat]

The point is that the team has some shitty scouting and evaluation. They reach on draft picks (Dez, Murray) and get cute (S/T draft, Felix) with hopes to strike gold. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't. I rarely see the true perennial contenders trade away draft picks recklessly in order to fix deficiencies on their team. Pittsburgh, NE, GB, NO, and the Giants all had some MAJOR holes going into free agency and the draft.

Well-run organizations with proper scouting do not need to gamble on guys like Dez, Quincy, Matt Johnson, Bruce Carter, Murray, etc.

That's the kind of shit that Seattle does with a player like Irvin or teams like Cleveland and Miami do when they desperately reach for a shitty QB. It's no coincidence that Dallas is lumped in with teams like this. It's a loser organization now.

In the meantime, we have a turnstile at center and if Romo gets killed bc of it, we'll be starting the much less mobile Orton and probably looking at signing McNabb or Derek Anderson off the street. Was an undeveloped Claiborne worth all this for a team that supposedly has a window open? Only in Jerryland.

Great post.

I get your point, and I agree that we're not a well run organization. I'm not going to argue that.

But I disagree about the Claiborn/Dez selections as being reckless trades.

Both are blue chip talents. And we gave up very little to get both.

Now, were we reckless in acquiring Galloway, Williams, and quite frankly a lot of other players in draft/free agency? Sure.

I just don't agree that those two players ought to be lumped in with the others.

 

[cmd34]

Dez at 24 vs. jumping up to get Claiborne at 6 (costing us the 45th pick, a starter) are apples and oranges.

Moving up a few spots is everyday NFL GM stuff. For Dez we moved up 3 spots and swapped our 3rd for their 4th.

I like Claiborne so I do not overly hate the deal. I just don't think we as a team can afford to give up a high 2nd rounder, which on most teams should be a NFL starter, with as many holes as we have.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Well-run organizations with proper scouting do not need to gamble on guys like Dez, Quincy, Matt Johnson, Bruce Carter, Murray, etc.

This is ignorant. Everybody's an expert AFTER the fact. I don't consider Dez, Carter, Murray, or even Johnson as gambles. Truth of the matter is it's foolish to make these claims in the absence of not knowing the "well-run" organizations draft board.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Dez is more of a problem because of the numerous reports about character issues leading up to that draft. Is this franchise really equipped to handle players like that? Fuck no. Is he beyond fixing? Who knows, but those types of signings are textbook Jerry at his finest.

Perhaps with coaches like Jimmy or Parcells it's worth a shot. Irvin and the other druggy Cowboys in the '90s were at least smart enough not to get embroiled in huge scandals under Jimmy. Chad Johnson was well-behaved with Belichick (Hard Knocks this season proves that). Even TO kept has flap shut under Parcells. I thought Parcells actually handled TO perfectly. He didn't even acknowledge TO by name. That was one of the most brilliant character management cases ever in sports.

I hope Dez pans out, and I hope Claiborne is the next Deion, but it doesn't make up for all the other reckless shit. The Lakers just traded for the best center in basketball and gave away nothing in the process. I hate the Lakers so much, but there's a reason why they've been so relevant for the past 12 years. They stay patient and NEVER come out on the losing end of a free agent signing or trade. Same with teams like the Pats. They cut bait for draft picks and might bring in a player like Haynesworth, but they do it at zero cost.

Optimists wanna think that Jerry learned under Parcells, but the Roy Williams trade happened the very next season. Fans aren't retarded these days. Message boards cater more to the homer base of diehards, so you end up with a lot of glee and happiness after most moves, but overall, this organization is a solid shitshow. What's the purpose in paying any scouts if you're just going to trade for the consensus #1 CB on all boards?

Those are examples of why there is no depth here or player development.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You make a lot of good points..

Great post.

Get a room, faggots.

 

[ZeroClub]

Dez at 24 vs. jumping up to get Claiborne at 6 (costing us the 45th pick, a starter) are apples and oranges.

Moving up a few spots is everyday NFL GM stuff. For Dez we moved up 3 spots and swapped our 3rd for their 4th.

I like Claiborne so I do not overly hate the deal. I just don't think we as a team can afford to give up a high 2nd rounder, which on most teams should be a NFL starter, with as many holes as we have.

That's pretty much where I am, too.

Bob, does this mean we have to get a room?