2025 Dallas Cowboys Offseason Tracker

[Dodger12]

HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10 yr veteran. Makes 60 mils per yr at most important position on the team. Makes a throw almost no rookie when even try.

Once again staring down the receiver. Year 10 and it's the same shit. If he does it at practice he'll do it during games. He's just sooooo bad.

 

[Doomsday]

Gruden weighs in.

 

[dbair1967]

Lamar Jackson is a complete fucktard. I can't believe he even found an attorney to represent him for something this fucking dumb to begin with.

 

[Doomsday]

Joe throws a bee bee.

 

[yimyammer]

Gruden weighs in.

The only acceptable answer is:

"slit my throat"

 

[dbair1967]

Still remember this game well. Our OL in 2014 was really something special. You could see it starting to take shape in 2013, but in 2014 they played at a super elite level.

 

[Doomsday]

He causes problems.

 

[dbair1967]

 

[Aggiepride]

So I went ahead and did the look-see. Here's the tab:

59 total super bowls

1st rd pick winners: Joe Namath, Len Dawson, Earl Morrall (2), Bob Griese (2), Terry Bradshaw (4) Jim Plunkett (2), Jim McMahon, Phil Simms, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman (3), John Elway (2), Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Payton Manning (2), Joe Flacco Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning (2), Patrick Mahomes (3) and Matthew Stafford. So thats 32 of 59. If you include Steve Young (1st overall in USFL, then was a 1st rd supp pick by Tampa from USFL drfatees) it's 33. Then there's Roger Staubach, who would have almost assuredly been a high 1st rd pick the yr he came out had he not had a 5 yr commitment to the Navy. That would be 35.

If you then include 2nd and 3rd rd pick winners you'd add the following: Ken Stabler, Joe Montana (4) Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson and Jelen Hurts. So 44 of the 59 winning QB's would be 1st, 2nd or 3rd rd picks.

The data clearly shows that depending on 3rd day draft picks or UDFA's players is far less likely to generate championships.

Dallas has drafted 1 QB in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds since 1989. I guess it's two if you count the Drew Henson trade (3rd rd pick)

You changed the premise. Your original post did not include 2nd and 3rd round picks. That's moving the goal posts. so 32 of 59 is 54%. That means 46% were not first-round picks. My argument holds.

And you can't put people like Roger in there just to try to bolster your point because the bottom line is that he was not a first round draft pick just as, for example, Herschel wasn't a first round draft pick.

If you start doing that, then where does it end? For example, we all know that there are NEVER 32 players who are truly first round material. It's just that someone has to be picked.

So should I then say, "Well, if we count ONLY QBs who had a legit first round grade (let's say QBs who went top 10), not people like EJ Manuel (16) Johnny Manziel (22), Brady Quinn (22) and so forth, then the numbers are xyz"

Your original point was that a significant majority of SB winners were drafted in round 1. By your own numbers, its 54%. So again, the inverse is also true that 46% were NOT drafted in round 1.

Even if you go with 35, it's 59%. What did I write? I wrote assume 60%!

 

[Aggiepride]

Correction, if my memory is right, Manziel did have a "legit" first round grade. But the point I am trying to make is that we have MANY first rounders who bust (Paxton Lynch). And we do have examples of QBs drafted NOT in round one who were very good QBs even if they didn't get the SB because SBs require other people to also play, not just the QB.

Most importantly, SBs require GMs who don't saddle a QB in his prime with the likes of Nate Livings and Bernadeau, and Phil Costa blocking.

We also have examples of excellent QB drafted in round one who never won the SB (Archie Manning, Dan Marino, Steve Bartkowsi, Steve Grogan.

But one of the primary reason we don't draft one in round 1 is simply that Jerry never wants to intentionally put the Cowboys in official rebuild mode. He'll never do that intentionally. So, when it is our turn to pick there is usually a QB available who has flaws, and since we usually already have a QB, Jerry passes.

Now Archie Manning said Arch isn't coming out next year. But my personal conspiracy theory is the Saints GM is angling to be the worst team in the NFL (watch them magically trade away a good player by the deadline) and Arch will come out. We know GMs intentionally tank even if you and Mickey don't want to believe it. When a team like the Redskins trades away their two best DEs, they aren't doing it because they think they are going to win more games...oh look, Jayden Daniels. So to justify it they come out with some BS like "it's addition by subtraction".

 

[Aggiepride]

Still remember this game well. Our OL in 2014 was really something special. You could see it starting to take shape in 2013, but in 2014 they played at a super elite level.

I wish somehow that OL could have been put together about 3 years sooner.

 

[dbair1967]

You changed the premise. Your original post did not include 2nd and 3rd round picks. That's moving the goal posts. so 32 of 59 is 54%. That means 46% were not first-round picks. My argument holds.

And you can't put people like Roger in there just to try to bolster your point because the bottom line is that he was not a first round draft pick just as, for example, Herschel wasn't a first round draft pick.

If you start doing that, then where does it end? For example, we all know that there are NEVER 32 players who are truly first round material. It's just that someone has to be picked.

So should I then say, "Well, if we count ONLY QBs who had a legit first round grade (let's say QBs who went top 10), not people like EJ Manuel (16) Johnny Manziel (22), Brady Quinn (22) and so forth, then the numbers are xyz"

Your original point was that a significant majority of SB winners were drafted in round 1. By your own numbers, its 54%. So again, the inverse is also true that 46% were NOT drafted in round 1.

Even if you go with 35, it's 59%. What did I write? I wrote assume 60%!

I mean, it's relevant. The point is the VAST majority of all Super Bowl winners were early picks. 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders.

We've spent one pick (and two if you count Henson) in that range in 35 years.

The fact is most super bowl winners do not come from late rd or UDFA picks, and this is almost all the Jones-tards have invested (when we even bothered to invest) in that position in 35 years

 

[dbair1967]

I wish somehow that OL could have been put together about 3 years sooner.

I think it had to hit rock bottom before they saw they finally had to do something different on the OL. That was one minor positive to when Red Headed Goober took over as HC, he did put an emphasis on fixing it for the long term.

Just sux Fred had to have his career cut short.

The above SHOULD apply to the QB position. What they have done has not worked. They need to invest a premium pick or two into the position to increase their chances of finding a true franchise QB. Not guys they can simply get by with like Romo and Prescott. OK players, but neither was a true franchise QB and neither has/will ever win in the postseason.

 

[dbair1967]

Correction, if my memory is right, Manziel did have a "legit" first round grade. But the point I am trying to make is that we have MANY first rounders who bust (Paxton Lynch). And we do have examples of QBs drafted NOT in round one who were very good QBs even if they didn't get the SB because SBs require other people to also play, not just the QB.

Most importantly, SBs require GMs who don't saddle a QB in his prime with the likes of Nate Livings and Bernadeau, and Phil Costa blocking.

We also have examples of excellent QB drafted in round one who never won the SB (Archie Manning, Dan Marino, Steve Bartkowsi, Steve Grogan.

But one of the primary reason we don't draft one in round 1 is simply that Jerry never wants to intentionally put the Cowboys in official rebuild mode. He'll never do that intentionally. So, when it is our turn to pick there is usually a QB available who has flaws, and since we usually already have a QB, Jerry passes.

Now Archie Manning said Arch isn't coming out next year. But my personal conspiracy theory is the Saints GM is angling to be the worst team in the NFL (watch them magically trade away a good player by the deadline) and Arch will come out. We know GMs intentionally tank even if you and Mickey don't want to believe it. When a team like the Redskins trades away their two best DEs, they aren't doing it because they think they are going to win more games...oh look, Jayden Daniels. So to justify it they come out with some BS like "it's addition by subtraction".

Romo didnt play most of his career with the flubs of the flubs. He had a couple yrs with some subpar guys. It started changing for the better when they drafted Tyron in 2011. But his OL's from 06-09 were plenty good enough (not great, but good enough) and he didn't get the job done then either.

If it was a handful of yrs of avoiding it then that would be one thing. We're talking THIRTY FIVE years where they spent one early pick (Q Bong) and traded one (3rd rd pick for Henson). Now we didnt need to waste a 1st rd pick on a QB from 1990-1999, we obviously had our guy. But even if you remove that period you are still talking about 25-26 yrs of hardly investing in the most important position.

Nobody will like it, but Parcells is the one who really fucked us the worst on this. He had a chance to nab Rodgers in 2005 but he had a hardon for Marcus Spears and thought his FOB Bledsoe was the answer, despite obviously being at the end of his career and no more than average when we got him. Imagine a draft where we had gotten Ware and Rodgers in the same year. You also had Sean Payton wanting to trade for Romo his 1st yr in New Orleans (2006) so we'd have gotten something decent in return for him.

 

[dbair1967]

Now Archie Manning said Arch isn't coming out next year. But my personal conspiracy theory is the Saints GM is angling to be the worst team in the NFL (watch them magically trade away a good player by the deadline) and Arch will come out. We know GMs intentionally tank even if you and Mickey don't want to believe it. When a team like the Redskins trades away their two best DEs, they aren't doing it because they think they are going to win more games...oh look, Jayden Daniels. So to justify it they come out with some BS like "it's addition by subtraction".

I don't think he'll come out and frankly never really did. None of the Mannings left school early as I recall and I doubt he'll be the first. He plays for a great program and a great offensive coach. He's sat for 2 yrs waiting his turn, I seriously doubt he'll give up his last yr early. The only thing I think that could possibly change his mind is if they blew through the season, won the national title and he ran away with the Heisman, he might think about it. But I'd still doubt he'd leave.

That said, people are getting way ahead of themselves with him. He has talent and a great situation, but he's hardly proven to be worth the #1 overall, or even really high 1st rd pick yet. We'll obviously get to see that really soon as they kickoff against Ohio State.

 

[Aggiepride]

I don't think he'll come out and frankly never really did. None of the Mannings left school early as I recall and I doubt he'll be the first. He plays for a great program and a great offensive coach. He's sat for 2 yrs waiting his turn, I seriously doubt he'll give up his last yr early. The only thing I think that could possibly change his mind is if they blew through the season, won the national title and he ran away with the Heisman, he might think about it. But I'd still doubt he'd leave.

That said, people are getting way ahead of themselves with him. He has talent and a great situation, but he's hardly proven to be worth the #1 overall, or even really high 1st rd pick yet. We'll obviously get to see that really soon as they kickoff against Ohio State.

I don't think he will come out....unless the Saints have the first pick. I think that would be too poetic to pass up. Playing for his grandad's team,....I think I also read that the Saints are Arch's favorite team.

The Mannings might think that's too much pressure, who knows. But it would be too good to pass up I think.

He doesn't have to start year 1. Kellen Moore was explicitly told when they interviewed him that they weren't expecting much because of their cap situation. Then Carr got hurt, which freed up some, but as far as I know they are still juggling.

So what I am saying is Kellen can afford to sit Arch in year one and still likely keep his job as long as he is doing the other things right like leading, play calling etc.

If the Saints don't get the top pick or have no real way to trade to get there, then Arch is better off staying at UT another year and seeing what happens.

 

[dbair1967]

Not one fucking post today for game day?

Do any of our 9 members even KNOW there's a game in an hour?

 

[dbair1967]

 

[dbair1967]

Agent 0 Jersey

 

[dbair1967]

Hope they look better than a week ago.