dbair1967

Administrator
I'm with you on this one. But what does it typically cost to move from 58 into the top 10? I don't think Dallas could do it with picks alone. I don't see a way to get there without giving up multiple players and decimating the rest of this year's draft and the better part of the next year's. Is it worth it for one player?

We're not trading into the top-10. It'd cost at least a premium player and a pretty expensive pick or two I'm sure.

I won't be surprised if they end up moving up some from 58, but it won't be anywhere near the top-10 and almost assuredly won't be back into the first round.

If you look at the trade value chart for this year (which prob no teams adhere to anymore) our 2nd and 3rd rd pick this year gets us into the 40's. Even if they added NEXT year's first to the deal (which is typically valued a round later, so a net 2nd) you're looking at maybe getting up into the early 20's of this draft.
 

dbair1967

Administrator
CZ "experts" all tore up over reports we like Central Florida DT trysten Hill, possibly with our pick at 58.

"He sux!!!!!!"...."He is a day three pick at best"...."I wouldn't take him in the 7th!!!!"

Guy who actually worked in NFL front office does a top-100 today, guess who he has at 55. But hey what does he know compared to Zoner personnel gurus.

 

dbair1967

Administrator
The Dallas Morning news listed the 10 most likely layers that Dallas would take at 58.

Juan Thornhill, S
Taylor Rapp, S
JoeJuan Williams, CB
Jaylon Ferguson, DE
Deebo Samuel, WR
LJ Collier, DE
Jon Abraham, S
Greg Little, OT
Damien Harris, RB
Chauncy Gardner-Johnson, S
 

dbair1967

Administrator
  1. http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/i...set-kiper-mcshay-answer-last-minute-questions


    There's a _____ percent chance that the Cardinals take Kyler Murray No. 1.
    Kiper:
    I said it Monday: 99.9 percent. I'm not changing until I'm proved otherwise. Now, if Arizona general manager Steve Keim really is pulling off the smoke screen of the century, we're going to see some chaos Thursday night.

    So that means Josh Rosenwill get traded. Which team is most likely to land him?
    McShay:
    The two teams I keep hearing are the Giants and Dolphins. The Redskins, previously thought to be in the mix, aren't as likely to land the former UCLA quarterback, but I have heard some chatter about the Chargers acquiring Rosen to be Philip Rivers' heir. Stay tuned.

    What are the chances four quarterbacks go in Round 1?
    Kiper:
    I'll go a step further than my first answer -- it's 100 percent. Murray, Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins and Missouri's Drew Lock could all go in the top 10, if teams trade up. Then there is my guy Daniel Jones, the Duke quarterback who is likely to go in the top 20. Jones is rising.

    The safest pick in this draft is ____________.
    McShay:
    Iowa tight end T.J. Hockenson. Simply put, he's just a complete player. Hockenson plays with toughness and is an incredible athlete with a 6-foot-5 frame. The team that drafts him can line him up inside or outside and then just watch him put up yardage after the catch.

    Which team is most likely to trade up in this draft?
    Kiper:
    Keep an eye on Washington at No. 15. The Redskins need a quarterback. Could they get their guy if they moved ahead of Denver at No. 10? Remember: Most draft-day trades are for teams trying to move up for quarterbacks. Watch Washington closely.

    Which team is most likely to trade down?
    McShay:
    I'd say there's a chance the Jets, who are picking at No. 3 without a need at quarterback, trade out. They'd love to move down, but the question becomes how far? I keep hearing they like Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver, Alabama defensive tackle Quinnen Williams and Kentucky defensive end Josh Allen. Those three won't be on the board long. And what if Ohio State's Nick Bosa drops to No. 3?

    Who are the hottest names in this draft?
    Kiper:
    The new name I keep hearing in the top five is Oliver. I wouldn't be shocked if he went as high as No. 3 to the Jets. Michigan inside linebacker Devin Bush is another hot name for the top 10. Teams really love his speed and playmaking ability. For guys rising on Day 2 of the draft, I'll give you two prospects: Michigan State's Justin Layne, a lanky corner who had a strong scouting combine, and Penn State's Miles Sanders, who could be the second running back off the board. Both could go in the top 40 picks.

    Which prospect will be drafted higher than most think?
    McShay:
    Darnell Savage Jr., who had a great combine, is likely to go in Round 1 now. If you don't know about the Maryland safety yet, you should. Another name to watch: Boise State running back Alexander Mattison. I've heard a lot of buzz this week about him, and he has risen from late Day 3 pick to potentially going in the third round.

    Which prospect will go lower than he should?
    Kiper:
    It's Dwayne Haskins, who might drop out of the top 10. He's the No. 7 player on my board, and I think he could be a star in the right situation. Now, he's not a finished product and he'll need some time to reach his ceiling, but that ceiling is extremely high.

    Which prospect will be overdrafted based on what you've seen on tape?
    McShay:
    Cover your ears, Mel, because it's definitely Daniel Jones. Sure, he has good size and athleticism, but his accuracy nosedives when he gets pressured, and he doesn't have a big arm. I grade him as a Day 2 future backup -- the No. 6 QB on my board -- but he's being talked about as a first-round franchise quarterback. I just don't see it.

    Over/under 6.5 defensive players taken in the top 10 picks?
    Kiper:
    Give me the under, because I'm expecting trades into the top 10 to get quarterbacks.

    Over/under 2.5 wide receivers in the first round?
    McShay:
    Under. You'll probably see Oklahoma burner Marquise Brown and Ole Miss combine warrior DK Metcalf go, but neither of them is a lock. Expect a run on the position on Day 2.

    Which school will have more players selected in the first round: Ohio State or Clemson?
    Kiper:
    Clemson is going to have three -- defensive linemen Christian Wilkins, Clelin Ferrell and Dexter Lawrence -- and I think Ohio State likely gets only two, in Bosa and Haskins.

    Will a running back be picked in Round 1?
    McShay:
    I'd say there's a 70 percent chance. Alabama's Josh Jacobs is really the only candidate. Sanders is a Round 2 guy, and there will be value at the position in Rounds 3-5. But as for Day 1, there are a few teams that might spark their run game with Jacobs on the back end of the first round. I'd keep an eye on Oakland at Nos. 24 and 27.

    Which first-round pick has the biggest range?
    Kiper:
    I have heard Michigan's Rashan Gary going as high as No. 10 to the Broncos all the way to No. 28 to the Chargers. There's no consensus. His tape at Michigan is inconsistent, but he's such a physical specimen that I lean toward the top 15 here.

    Which combine breakthrough is now a first-round lock?
    McShay:
    Florida State's Brian Burns. The edge rusher's tape is just OK, but it doesn't have the consistency you'd want to see from a top-20 pick. But man, he is extremely athletic. He was in the top six among edge guys in Indianapolis in the 40-yard dash, vertical jump, broad jump and 3-cone drill. You can see that he has a high ceiling, and teams looking for a pass-rusher will love his versatility.

    Who's your favorite prospect-to-player comp in this class?
    Kiper:
    Hockenson to longtime Steelers stud Heath Miller, who spent 11 seasons in the NFL. Miller was a force in the run game and a good pass-catcher. Hockenson isn't Gronk Jr., but he is going to be a really good player.

    McShay: Brown reminds me a lot of Eagles wideout DeSean Jackson. While both lack size, their explosiveness is off the charts. Brown is nursing a foot injury and might go later on Day 1.

    Give us the Day 2 pick who's most likely to make a Pro Bowl.
    Kiper:
    I really like Virginia defensive back Juan Thornhill, a super athlete and ball hawk who could play safety or corner at the next level. In fact, there's no consensus on his best position -- he'd fill a need for all 32 teams.

    McShay: Remember the name Deebo Samuel. The South Carolina receiver is the top slot guy in the class. He's electric when you give him the ball and is built like a running back. And he can contribute as a returner. Sign me up.

    You're in a draft room. Who's the guy you're pounding the table for when Day 2 begins?
    Kiper:
    Khalen Saunders can play for my team. The Western Illinois defensive tackle is a big-time riser after he had a strong week of practice at the Senior Bowl and then showed out at the combine. He has risen from fifth- or sixth-round pick all the way to top-50 consideration.

    McShay: Ohio State receiver Terry McLaurin has blazing speed. If a team can get him in the middle of Round 2, I'm all-in. He's the best special-teams player in the class, and with good ball skills and that ridiculous speed (4.35), an NFL team can really develop him into a valuable asset.

    Who's your favorite midround sleeper?
    Kiper:
    Washburn cornerback Corey Ballentine is underrated, and he'll go in the third or fourth round. He tested well at the combine -- his 135-inch broad jump led all cornerbacks -- and he was extremely productive at a lower collegiate level.

    McShay: I'm also going secondary, with Boston College safety Will Harris, who will likely be a third- or fourth-round pick. He closes on the ball well, has good instincts and can match up with tight ends.

    Which first-round pick is the perfect fit for a team?
    Kiper:
    If I'm running Buffalo's front office, I'm taking Alabama offensive lineman Jonah Williams at No. 9. He could start at guard or tackle for the Bills.

    McShay: If Arizona does takes Murray, San Francisco gets a perfect fit with Bosa. The Niners need an edge rusher opposite Dee Ford, and Bosa's instincts, speed and power give him double-digit sack potential as a rookie.

    What's the position where teams can get depth throughout the draft?
    Kiper:
    You're going to see a run on wide receivers to start Round 2, and you could see another to start Round 4. The class is light on elite guys, but there are several solid pass-catchers.

    McShay: After a flurry of cornerbacks at the end of Round 1 and early in Round 2, there are going to be some really good value picks at the position. Day 2 prospects Layne (versatility), Lonnie Johnson Jr. (press-man coverage), David Long (man coverage) and Julian Love (zone coverage) are all solid talents who can fit nicely with the right teams.

    Which prospect needs to go to the right team to excel?
    McShay:
    Oliver. He needs to be turned loose as a 3-technique in a one-gap scheme, similar to how the Rams use defensive tackle Aaron Donald. Oliver was handcuffed as a nose tackle at Houston, but he's powerful and has good first-step quickness. Put him in the right system and let him create chaos.

    Which team has to absolutely nail this draft?
    Kiper:
    Last year it was the Browns, and general manager John Dorsey got his team on track, thanks largely to the 2018 rookie class. I'll go with the Giants this year. They have two first-round picks (Nos. 6 and 17), and GM Dave Gettleman needs to get two impact starters. They also have eight picks on Day 3 to find some diamonds in the rough.

    How does Jon Gruden have a good first round?
    McShay:
    Honestly, he just has to make his four picks in the top 35. I'd rather have four high-end picks than gamble on a guy to be elite, and there isn't a player in this class worth losing that opportunity. Think about what Oakland has given up to be in this position. The Raiders have needs on the edge, on the interior of the offensive line, in the secondary and in the receiving game. If they hit on even a few of those early picks, it could change the entire outlook of the roster.

    The Packers have two first-round picks. What would make Aaron Rodgers happy?
    Kiper:
    Green Bay's top three needs are all on offense: wide receiver, tight end and the line. Make Rodgers happy by filling two of those needs. Iowa tight end Noah Fant makes a ton of sense if he's on the board at No. 30.

    Which QB-needy team is most likely to wait until 2020?
    McShay:
    Miami. The Dolphins just aren't there yet. They need to strip it all down and rebuild completely. And of all the teams in the hunt for a QB, Miami is the most concerning. Once you factor in just a mid-first-round pick, only seven picks overall and serious needs at just about every position, I could see Miami GM Chris Grier riding Ryan Fitzpatrick for a season and looking at quarterback next spring. You might have heard that that class includes Alabama's Tua Tagovailoa and Oregon's Justin Herbert.
 

Maveric

Draft Pick
4) Dallas is picking a good year to not have a No. 1, and picking a good year to want a safety at 58. Scouting guru Gil Brandt terms this the "best and deepest'' safety class of his lifetime. I assume the Cowboys love Nasir Adderly (but he'll go in the first round) while hoping either Taylor Rapp or Juan Thornhill slip toward them at 58.

8) The Cowboys are openly interested in a complete back who would be able to fill in should Ezekiel Elliott miss time -- and maybe even serve as Zeke's heir. Alabama's Damien Harris is in play at 58, with Trayveon Williams of Texas A&M and David Montgomery from Iowa State in play after that.
A safety is high on the needs list and would be a good pick if the right one is there at 58, which is exactly why it's not happening. Safety has been a main concern for how long now, yet is never addressed in the first couple of days of the draft, why would they start now?

That said, I don't think it'll be a running back either. A likely backup to Zeke will be taken this weekend, but judging by history I'm thinking more around the fourth round.
 

Ragnar

Practice Squad
We're not trading into the top-10. It'd cost at least a premium player and a pretty expensive pick or two I'm sure.

I won't be surprised if they end up moving up some from 58, but it won't be anywhere near the top-10 and almost assuredly won't be back into the first round.

If you look at the trade value chart for this year (which prob no teams adhere to anymore) our 2nd and 3rd rd pick this year gets us into the 40's. Even if they added NEXT year's first to the deal (which is typically valued a round later, so a net 2nd) you're looking at maybe getting up into the early 20's of this draft.

I know we're not trading into the first round, let alone top 10. That would decimate this year's and next year's draft.

I noticed you mentioned Hill in the next post. I saw that too. I wouldn't even take him at 90. There will be better players available.
 
It’s odd to see Dallas not have a first round pick this year. In the last ten years, Dallas has had a first-round selection. Eight of those ten have been named to a Pro Bowl. The only two were Morris Claiborne and Taco Charlton.

Dallas has had a fair amount of success on Days 2 and 3 as well, so I’m not worried. This draft is easier to watch because there is no pressing need to this team that made the postseason last year. I still think our biggest woe is offensive coaching.

But hey, Amari Cooper for a first round pick? It was like opening a Christmas gift on Christmas Eve! We got to utilize him before the draft and I’ll take Cooper over any of the receivers we could have selected later tonight.


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SixisBetter

Anywhere on the line.
Sorry everybody, Jeff Fisher is answering questions about phone calls to 1st rd picks on Twitter so sadly, Twitter must be destroyed.
 

dbair1967

Administrator
I noticed you mentioned Hill in the next post. I saw that too. I wouldn't even take him at 90. There will be better players available.

Some really like him though, Daniel Jeremiah is pretty good as far as draft gurus go and he seems to like him in the 2nd round, so if we got him at 90 that would seem to be pretty good value. I think some are putting far too much weight on this past season from him in which there was clearly something wrong between him and the new coaching staff.
 

dbair1967

Administrator
Kyler Murray sounds like a complete dumbass. Are they sure his Wonderlic wasn't 2 instead of the reported 20?

He's also dressed like a total loser.
 

Dodger12

Super Moderator
Thank God the Cowboys don't pick #1 overall. I'd lose sleep thinking of them picking Kyler Murray. I'm feeling bad for Arizona fans as it is.
 

Dodger12

Super Moderator
And Haskins needs to lose weight unless he wants to play OL instead of QB. He's got some huge blow up fat potential.
 

dbair1967

Administrator
Wow, The fucking clown Raiders.

Drafted a guy almost universally seen as a 15-25 range player at #4 overall.

Mike Mayock- I D I O T
 

yimyammer

Quality Starter
Kyler Murray sounds like a complete dumbass. Are they sure his Wonderlic wasn't 2 instead of the reported 20?

He's also dressed like a total loser.

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