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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    and if you think zimmerman is already a liar then it really doesn't matter and even discussing it it kinda pointless. he said he was following, was told not to do that, so was headed back to his vehicle. he told 911 he lost him anyway and that's on tape. did he just say that so he could...
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    if you felt your life was threatened, would you approach the man threatening you after you "got away"?
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    'Who betrayed whom?' Ecuador considering Snowden's asylum, doubts fair trial in US

    well on this we can agree.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    well several just don't seem credible at all, and you're right - *all* was too inclusive and i am wrong to have made it all encompassing. but it does sure seem the "girlfriend" never should have been brought on the stand, but i suppose that was going to happen one way or another.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    so far all the witnesses that would be able to make zim a liar, have lied. but it's all on zim. ok.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    so a man reached into his pocket and martin attacked. who hit who first? as for as what i think, it doesn't matter. you already believe what you want to believe and there isn't a single thing i can say that will back that thought truck up a notch or two. you already think zimmerman is a liar...
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    based on what i've heard, and all we can go by is zimmerman, martin said he was going to die tonight and was going for the gun also. if you don't believe zimmerman, then what i think about it really doesn't matter.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    there's that eloquance we've been missing. like i said, your mind is made up and anything you hear, you'll twist to support your view. if evidence comes up zimmerman was guilty, i'd listen with some form of an open mind. wish you could do the same.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    to hell with trials - public opinion must be validated!
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    yea - posts like the one below this are the ones that are so hard to refute: Life in danger Head bouncing off of concrete Pulls gun and fires accurately Remembers every single detail Life In danger No concussion Life in danger Still able to "think and react"
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    when you've already made up your mind, you're willing to twist facts so you don't have to change it.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    thanks for the entertainment. :)
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    are you willing to take ownership for your decisions, or find excuses for bad decisions?
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    "yet you have every right to be in" does that make it ok if i send people to come look in your windows? the rights he has are only equal to the rights he respects. he can't demand rights he's not willing to give. there's where the fucked up bullshit problems begin. the rest is a fucking...
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    when i lived in austin as a kid, i was what, 9 or 10? i sold subscriptions to the local paper and had to knock on a lot of doors. many times people in the community didn't know me, so they may ask me a question or two. i'd just answer and move on. i remember being in a black community and...
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    it would be tense, to be sure. i would defuse the situation by being calm. non issue.
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    then put yourself in that situation. you're expelled from school. you're in a gated community. you're looking in windows of houses. someone wants to know why. they don't know your entire history but they know the history of their own home. and it sucks. people get robbed all the time and...
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    The Pussification continues...

    it's about being willing to talk face to face. i gave it a shot, you hid. no malice in me man, you wanna talk face to face, i'm down. you wanna claim i'm hiding, you're wrong. i want to get past extremes and i've come to find the only way to do it is make it real. i'm on the keyboard, or...
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    by what? trayvon felt threatened? by what? is asking someone why you're looking in the windows of empty houses threatening?
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    Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

    define "initiate confrontation". and not in a manner that drive a goal here.
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