The One Big Ass Parsons Trade Tracker

[Doomsday]

We've been glowing on this forum about Parsons. Many, if not most, thought he was a generational talent. That was the buzz word around here. Don't know where you've been but welcome back to the forum.

You missed pretty much every single one of us clamoring for him to be traded, at the very least since he no-showed the GB playoff game?

 

[dbair1967]

We've been glowing on this forum about Parsons. Many, if not most, thought he was a generational talent. That was the buzz word around here. Don't know where you've been but welcome back to the forum.

Dooms has definitely been more on the fence about Parsons than the rest of us. He has had a post history that supports it.

I doubt he really disputes that Parsons is a "generational talent" but he has not turned into a truly "generational player".

He keeps getting mentioned with those types (Reggie White and LT) but those guys typically didnt disappear in the biggest games or postseasons. Parsons did for us.

His pass rush metrics are quite good, but his raw sack stats are not eye opening either. They're good, not great. A number of guys get more than 12-14 sacks. Parsons has never finished higher than tied for 5th. He's also never had a single game where he logged 3 sacks, which is pretty surprising to me.

 

[Doomsday]

I bet we will be better against the run this year if we can stay healthy.

 

[Doomsday]

Our honey Jane interviews Kenny Clark.

 

[Dodger12]

Interesting interview...............

 

[Doomsday]

Interesting interview...............

Well... Immediately we have 2nd largest cap cash and now can sign the Blands and others.

 

[Doomsday]

Interesting interview...............

They made some great points especially the results of other such trades - the edge rusher has never produced a SB win for anyone trading to add.

 

[dbair1967]

They made some great points especially the results of other such trades - the edge rusher has never produced a SB win for anyone trading to add.

Except for that Jimmy fella who nabbed Haley...We might have still won the Super Bowl without him, but there's no question he had a mega impact. (by the way, what nobody remembers with Haley is he only managed a total of 10 sacks those first two yrs here, everyone acts like we got him and he got 20 sacks a season or something). But there's no question he had a major impact.

Now Haley was also a major competitor and desperately cared about winning, and he came from a winning environment and brought some of that with him. It wasn't just his play on field play.

I'm sure Green Bay feels they just made that type of deal. I don't think Parsons brings with him the kind of attitude or commitment Haley had, but we shall see.

 

[Creeper]

Too much evidence to support that Jones was telling the truth about this. None of this is in dispute:

1) Parsons talked for well over a year about not needing to "reset" the market, not having to be the highest paid defender or non QB ever

2) Jones offered him more than that, a deal that at the time was close to the highest paid non QB and most guaranteed money ever. Details of ones' offer (from March or early April are now public knowledge)

3) Parsons verbally accepted the basics of the deal, then reneged after talking to his agent. Who then melted down over Parsons and Jones having a discussion without him present. (Reminder, Parsons is Jones' employee, and the agent works for Parsons)

4) Parsons showed up for camp and refused to participate in practice. Then faked an injury (probably at the advice os his agent) so he could continue to get paid and avoid fines. (something this agent had Jaen Ramsey do a few years ago)

5) Parsons made himself to be a complete turd in his final game here. Eating nachos while walking into the game (out of uniform) and then going to sleep on a table. This was a massive show of disrespect to the coaches, players and fans. Not to mention the front office.

6) Parsons lied about needing a 2nd opinion on the fake back injury, which he got busted on when docs fully cleared him to practice and play and confirmed his MRI was clean.

7) Parsons gets massive new deal in GB, completely resetting the market further (which he said from the beginning he didnt need or want) and then announced "my back is fine I am ready to go"

He's a 100% fucking turd. Jones sucks and has ruined the franchise, but I am not mad at him at all today over how he handled this anymore. Parsons and his agent fucked him. Maybe Parsons just genuinely didn't want to be here I don't know, but the way he went about this was lousy.

I think this shows the problem for us fans. We do not know the facts. Parsons says Jerry called him into talk about leadership and quickly changed the conversation to a contract extensions. Parsons says he agreed in principal to a deal Jerry outlined but said Jerry should talk to his agent - a very reasonable and responsible thing to do. When Mulugheta called Jerry, Jerry never responded. In fact Jerry refused to even talk to Mulugheta. Jerry's idea that a deal was done and there was no need to involve the agent is not only ridiculous, it also violated the CBA., which prohibits owners from dealing directly with players if they have representation. Jerry admitted he had been doing this for years.

Then Jerry started the trash talking about Micah being injured last year as if he had a choice. Jerry destroy the relationship with Micah, and while I do agree that Micah's behavior at times was not what I would have preferred to see, it is the result of Jerry playing games with Micah over Micah's future.

Keep in mind Jerry also lied multiple times and is still lying about the deal. Jerry said he made an offer back to Mulugheta and the agent told him to shove it up his ass. That never happened according to Mulugheta and several other people close to the situation. Now Jerry is claiming this was all about stopping the run and getting better in the playoffs. Who believes that nonsense. He had ample opportunities for years to address the poor run defense. He waiting until the 7th round of the draft to take a DT and let multiple top tier free agent DTs pass him by in free agency the year before. Now teh Cowboys are spreading rumors Micah was all about himself and a bad locker room teammate. But his own teammates are telling contradicting stories. At this point anything coming out of Dallas about Micah is lies, I am pretty sure about that.

IMO, Jerry created this mess a long time ago. He played this game of chicken with Micah and he lost. Micah's contract with GB actually pays him less than what Jerry claims he offered after state taxes, if we can believe Jerry. Maybe Micah's agent lied to Micah. In any case, it never had to go this far but now Micah is gone and never coming back. We'll see how the season goes to find out if the deal was smart or not. But you will not get me to believe anything Jerry Jones says. The man is a liar and he gaslights fans like no one else.

 

[dbair1967]

Keep in mind Jerry also lied multiple times and is still lying about the deal. Jerry said he made an offer back to Mulugheta and the agent told him to shove it up his ass. That never happened according to Mulugheta and several other people close to the situation.

The part he says isnt true is the "shove it up your ass" quote, which was obviously Jones paraphrasing but anyone in sales and business can easily interpret when someone means that, regardless of exactly what is said. I do it every day.

Neither of them dispute anything about Jones offering him 200+ mils and numerous Cowboy writers (all of whom have been critical of Jones in regards to this) report that its true as well.

 

[Creeper]

Dooms has definitely been more on the fence about Parsons than the rest of us. He has had a post history that supports it.

I doubt he really disputes that Parsons is a "generational talent" but he has not turned into a truly "generational player".

He keeps getting mentioned with those types (Reggie White and LT) but those guys typically didnt disappear in the biggest games or postseasons. Parsons did for us.

His pass rush metrics are quite good, but his raw sack stats are not eye opening either. They're good, not great. A number of guys get more than 12-14 sacks. Parsons has never finished higher than tied for 5th. He's also never had a single game where he logged 3 sacks, which is pretty surprising to me.

He has the highest double team rate in the league after Myles Garrett and yet he is first in the league in pass rush win rate, 2nd in pressures and takes the Cowboys defensive EPA from 2nd worst to best when he is on the field vs off the field. Micah's impact on the game cannot just be measured in stats though. It is what he does to opposing offense that have to account for him every passing down. Go back and watch the GB playoffs game. The had two and 3 guys dedicated to keeping Micah from disrupting the timing of their passing plays. The question we should be asking is why Dallas has never been able to take advantage of offenses that do that?

 

[dbair1967]

He has the highest double team rate in the league after Myles Garrett and yet he is first in the league in pass rush win rate, 2nd in pressures and takes the Cowboys defensive EPA from 2nd worst to best when he is on the field vs off the field. Micah's impact on the game cannot just be measured in stats though. It is what he does to opposing offense that have to account for him every passing down. Go back and watch the GB playoffs game. The had two and 3 guys dedicated to keeping Micah from disrupting the timing of their passing plays. The question we should be asking is why Dallas has never been able to take advantage of offenses that do that?

I'd say they did since 2021, last yr was a little difference with Zimmer and all the injuries.

But they've consistently ranked at top of league in sacks and turnovers, have they not?

They just have not been consistent vs the run.

 

[Doomsday]

Some of the stuff floating around FB.

 

[Doomsday]

This is the moment the saga got started.

 

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[Dodger12]

You guys are a trip......MIcah's such a regular guy that his only statistical comparison is Reggie White. Eagles fans are absolutely elated.

 

[Doomsday]

You guys are a trip......MIcah's such a regular guy that his only statistical comparison is Reggie White. Eagles fans are absolutely elated.

Reggie White never disappeared whenever the opponent really wanted him to. And was outstanding against the run.

 

[yimyammer]

The lack of income tax in Texas has always been a selling point I wish the cowboys pressed more to take advantage of so their salary cap can go further than a team in a state that doesnt have income tax.

However, the tax difference isnt purely the state income tax percentage a player will face when in a state with income tax. There's also a jock tax where players are forced to pay state income tax when they play a game in their state. They should still have more take home pay being Texas but the greedy bastards in certain states found a way to "steal" their income despite not residing in their state

Decoding the Jock Tax: A Pro Athlete's Guide to Tax Compliance

 

[dbair1967]

You guys are a trip......MIcah's such a regular guy that his only statistical comparison is Reggie White. Eagles fans are absolutely elated.

Not sure I think Parsons is really in that tier (yet)

Reggie sack numbers after he joined the NFL: 13, 18, 21, 18, 11, 14, 15, 14, 13, 8, 12, 8 1/2, 11, 16 (age 37).

His 21 sack season was in 12 games of the 87 season. He was all-pro 9 times and led the league in sacks in back to back season 87/88. During his time in Philadelphia he AVERAGED more than 1.0 sack per game.

Almost more amazing than the sack totals is the guy played 4-3 DE and actually had FOUR seasons with 100+ tackles, including a career high of 133 in 1988. This stuff is ridiculous with him.

White and LT are tied with the most 3+ sack games in their career, each with 12. Parsons has yet to have 1.

 

[dbair1967]