NFL Preseason Week 3: Minnesota @ Dallas

[peplaw06]

Here's the first post I found talking about moving Lee from MLB. September after McClain showed up in the first few games. Congrats CMD.

http://www.dallascowboysuniverse.com/showthread.php?16429-McClain&p=342796&viewfull=1#post342796

I would try to sign McClain to an extension now. He may price himself right out of here.

I'd want the extension to be incentive-packed with plenty of opt outs for the team if he acts like a jackass.

He's the best player on Defense IMO. Keeping him also keeps Sean Lee from playing MLB which may save Lee's career.

Oh, and there's Doomsday supporting the idea right behind him.

 

[NoShame]

Lol that thread just reminded me of when Doomsday wanted to move Michael Sam to MLB.

So in Dooms' defense Michael Sam would be the MLB and Sean Lee would be SS

 

[peplaw06]

Lol that thread just reminded me of when Doomsday wanted to move Michael Sam to MLB.

So in Dooms' defense Michael Sam would be the MLB and Sean Lee would be SS

Look at this gem.

This is Doomsday's list of top wideouts posted in the other thread...

Here's my top ten current WRs:

1. Johnson. hands down.
2. Julio Jones
3. Fitzgerald
4. Green
5. Harvin
6. Marshall
7. Thomas
8. Bryant
9. Nelson
10. Nicks

You read that right. That is Hakeem Nicks at number 10. Former Giant. Current 3rd wr on the Colts. Top 10.

Larry Fitzgerald checking in at number 3. Don't mind the fact that he hasn't hit 1000 yards receiving in each of the last two years. He makes it to 3 based on name only.

Julio Jones. Number 2. Hasn't even matched Dez's single season best yet. Or his second best for that matter. Number 2.

Percy Harvin at number 5. Has yet to reach 1000 yards receiving in a season in his 5 years as a pro. No big deal. Better than Dez according to Doomsday.

 

[Iamtdg]

Look at this gem.

Wow.

 

[NoShame]

Look at this gem.

classic stuff. We need a thread where we can just archive the shit he says.

 

[Omegasupreme]

Just watching the Vikes game again. A few things.

When the Vikes went to up tempo offense (like the Eagles) Dallas was disoriented. But the fact that Norv Turner moved to an up tempo offense means that Jason will probably put an uptempo package into the gameplans (you know, the game plans that don't change based on what's happening in the game).

Also, I predict Dallas will pick up at least one of the players they saw in the Vikings game after Minnesota's cuts down to 75.

Dallas needs the WCO. Romo said "Terrance is one of the best at running after the catch I have ever seen if you can just get the ball into his hands". Great, hit him in the chest at close range, let him trap it and then after he puts the ball in his small hands, let him run for daylight. He won't disappear that way.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Dallas needs the WCO. Romo said "Terrance is one of the best at running after the catch I have ever seen if you can just get the ball into his hands". Great, hit him in the chest at close range, let him trap it and then after he puts the ball in his small hands, let him run for daylight. He won't disappear that way.

The way Terrance runs after the catch reminds me of Taylor and Rice. They would catch a crossing pattern and take it 80 yards.

 

[Midswat]

Yeah I tried a number of searches of "Lee" + "will" + "switch" from Doomsday and similar variations and nothing came up.

 

[Omegasupreme]

The way Terrance runs after the catch reminds me of Taylor and Rice. They would catch a crossing pattern and take it 80 yards.

Jonathan Bales brought this up in a DC.com article called Why Measurables Matter in Draft and it seems to apply to why TWilly gets some success. He's not fast or smart or a great route runner and his hands are questionable as is his toughness, but once the ball is in his hands he might have the Rice flying 20.

It’s easy to use a player like Rice to dispel the importance of measurables, but maybe we shouldn’t write him off just yet. Despite running a 4.71, Rice is said to have run one of the all-time fastest “flying 20s,” the last 20 yards of the 40-yard dash. Lots of teams around the league now value the flying 20 for wide receivers because it’s a good indication of a player’s ability to separate from defenders. Even Rice, the archetype for the “measurables don’t matter” movement, might have been the perfect example of why the numbers lie only if we don’t know what to look for.

 

[Omegasupreme]

By the way, the Vikes cut Joe Banyard who runs a 4.46/40, is from Sweetwater Tx and ran a 1.47/10 yard split which is blazing fast. He knows the offense and is basically out because AP is back and Jerick McKinnon is the backup.

 

[Doomsday]

Look at this gem.

But Julio just became the second highest paid receiver behind Megatron?

Lol that thread just reminded me of when Doomsday wanted to move Michael Sam to MLB.

So in Dooms' defense Michael Sam would be the MLB and Sean Lee would be SS

At the time a Sam tryout at Mike seemed worth a try. I wasn't calling for him to start. But of course you know that. It's fun though to lie about what people post.

Still haven't seen one valid reason why Lee couldn't play SS.

classic stuff. We need a thread where we can just archive the shit he says.

There already is one of those!

Great, hit him in the chest at close range, let him trap it and then after he puts the ball in his small hands, let him run for daylight. He won't disappear that way.

He's made some excellent hands catches. He doesn't appear to be in the habit of chest-trapping, although it has happened enough to make it a issue. I think he is developing very well.

 

[dbair1967]

Why are moving the goal posts? Of course we have some quality football players. So does every other team in the NFL. But that wasn't the issue or the topic of discussion. So lets get back to your initial post which was in response to my comment about the "myth" of our improved drafting relative to the supposed depth on this team.

Drinking while posting isn't advised Dodger. I never said a word about the draft. I said we had better depth at some positions. You then turned it into an issue of drafting. You said the depth of the TEAM was atrocious and I said it was not at every position. And its not.

I'll ask again, how are we deep at DL? Since 2000, we've drafted Sean Lissimore (2010, 7th round), no DL in 2011, Crawford (2012, 3rd round), no DL in 2013, DLaw (2014, 2nd round), Gardener (2014, 7th round), Bishop (2014, 7th round), Gregory (2015, 2nd round), Ryan Russell (2015, 5th round).

Why are you focusing solely on draft picks? What does that have to do with the issue of whether or not they have quality depth? The fact is they have vastly improved the DL rotation in a fairly short period of time. They also switched defensive schemes and style of play. Marinelli seems pretty pleased with the 7 or 8 guys we are going to be able to rotate in and out on a regular basis.

We have Crawford, DLaw and Gregory in terms of draft picks that good give us solid reps. The guy that we're pinning some of our hopes on, Greg Hardy, was drafted in the 6th round of the 2010 draft, the same year we took Lissimore one round later and he's no longer here. Hayden, Bishop, Gardener, Terrell McClain, Ryan Russell and Jack Crawford round out the line. Can you honestly tell me that you see quality depth there? Other than Hardy, there's not an established guy in the mix unless you want to argue for Crawford and McClain.

Has looked like quality depth so far, maybe when the games count it will show otherwise. One or two of our DL's wont make the team in all likelihood and someone is probably going to sign them.

Pretty good at LBer? We've got Lee from 2010, along with Bruce Carter (2011, 2nd round), Kyle Wilbur (2012, 4th round), Caleb McSurdy (2012, 7th round), DeVonte Holloman (2013, 6th round), Hitchens (2014, 4th round), Will Smith (2014, 7th round), Damien Wilson (2015, 4th round) and Mark Nzeocha (who???? 2015, 7th round). Besides Lee, the guy that brought some nasty to the LB core was a guy that lost his passion for the game. In other words, the one guy besides Lee that stood out at LB was a cast off. Hitchens is a decent back-up simply because of his versatility but he's far from a "wow" type player. The guy was one non-call away from being last season's goat. Jasper Brinkly has been passed arouond more than a call girl in Vegas and Andrew Gashkar was given a 2 year 5 million dollar contract to play special teams. I mean, where's the depth? Out of all the Lber's we've drafted, we needed to sign other team's late round cast-offs like Brinkly and Gashkar and a question mark in Ro McClain. The hell with depth....we don't even know who the starters are besides Lee.

Sean Lee has to stay healthy, but he is an all pro caliber LB. Rolando McClain showed last yr even while dinged up and in less than perfect shape that he is a difference maker. Anthony Hitchens was a 4th rd pick who learned to play all 3 LB spots and is likely to start at MLB on opening night if he is healthy. Looks like they hit on Damien Wilson, who like Hitchens appears to have a lot of position flexibility. Gachkar has looked pretty good all preseason regardless of where he lined up at, and has probably made Jasper Brinkley expendable. Even this Smith kid has played well and looks like a decent 6th LB/ST guy.

As for tight ends and having a good situation there, can you honestly tell me that Escobar has been worth a 2nd round pick? And we decide to trade a 6th rounder next year to draft Swain something like 10 spots from the last pick in the draft? I mean, WTF?

If Escobar were the goto TE, he'd post pretty big numbers here. You people said the same shit about Martellus Bennett, and as soon as he left and became a regular starter, his numbers took off. Yes, I consider him "quality" depth because if Witten gets hurt and this guy has to assume his role, the offense isn't going to drop off the face of the earth. He gets open, he has good hands and has shown he is a pretty good redzone target. You're complaining about Swaim? Really? He easily looks worth what we traded to get him (and we didn't "give away" the 6th rd pick, we got him in the 7th for next yrs 6th, and picks in the next draft are always valued one round earlier than present yr).

I think you are confused or something over what "quality depth" means. No team has a slew of backups that are as good as the guys who are starting. There's not a team in this league that looks anything like the 92/93 Cowboys (and there never will be again). There are definitely positions we are thin at, but we have what appears to be a pretty rotation on the DL, a decent situation at LB, CB certainly doesn't look like a train wreck and TE is pretty good. I even believe a guy like Devin Street would post decent numbers in our offense if he had to play a regular role, and at best he is our 4th guy right now.

 

[Dodger12]

Drinking while posting isn't advised Dodger. I never said a word about the draft. I said we had better depth at some positions. You then turned it into an issue of drafting. You said the depth of the TEAM was atrocious and I said it was not at every position. And its not.

Don't tell me when to drink or when not to drink dbair. I need a few nips to take the edge off when I read some of this lunacy......

You may have never said anything about the draft but you directly responded to my comment about our drafting.

Because it's a myth. We hit on our 1st round pick and then occasionally hit on some picks after that. Our depth is atrocious.

So I guess I just assumed that was kind of what we were talking about since, well, that's what we were talking about. Have another drink.

And when you stated that were not atrocious at every position, you mentioned DL, TE, RB and LB. I simply disagree. We're pinning our hopes on Gregory, Hardy and DLaw. Crawford has been anointed but I want to see more. There is no proven commodity, other than Hardy who will miss the first part of the season. RB is not deep. We're again pinning our hopes on a washed out 1st rounder who is universally panned as a bust, a panty raider whose mouth is bigger than his stats and the team though so little of that they didn't even trust him enough to spell Murray from being overworked.

Why are you focusing solely on draft picks? What does that have to do with the issue of whether or not they have quality depth?

Because the draft is where you build quality depth?

Sean Lee has to stay healthy, but he is an all pro caliber LB. Rolando McClain showed last yr even while dinged up and in less than perfect shape that he is a difference maker. Anthony Hitchens was a 4th rd pick who learned to play all 3 LB spots and is likely to start at MLB on opening night if he is healthy. Looks like they hit on Damien Wilson, who like Hitchens appears to have a lot of position flexibility. Gachkar has looked pretty good all preseason regardless of where he lined up at, and has probably made Jasper Brinkley expendable. Even this Smith kid has played well and looks like a decent 6th LB/ST guy.

Other than Lee, there's not a proven commodity in the bunch. McClain is going to miss part of the season and is not trustworthy at this point. The rest is a hope and a prayer. How can you even describe this position as having quality depth when, outside of Lee, there's very little quality at all? And which Smith are you referring to? Will Smith or Keith Smith? These guys keep getting waived so often that I lose track of where they are.

If Escobar were the goto TE, he'd post pretty big numbers here.

How the hell do you know this? I mean, really, this is just a silly comment. He was drafted to run the two TE set and be a threat opposite Witten and that just hasn't happened.

Yes, I consider him "quality" depth because if Witten gets hurt and this guy has to assume his role, the offense isn't going to drop off the face of the earth. He gets open, he has good hands and has shown he is a pretty good redzone target.

I might be drinking (which I am right now) but you need to put the crack pipe down. How the heck can you possibly come to this conclusion after his career 18 receptions and 239 yards? I read some of this stuff and I think to myself, "Dodger, you missed something here. Go back and look at the stats because you obviously missed something when someone makes such a definitive statement." So I had to go look up his stats thinking thinking they must have been better than what I remembered.

Let me ask you, did you analyze all of his 18 catches to come to that conclusion? Crack kills dbair...........consider this an intervention. I'm trying to help you.......

 

[Doomsday]

I might be drinking (which I am right now)

Is it Johnnie Walker Blue?

 

[peplaw06]

But Julio just became the second highest paid receiver behind Megatron?

If what you took from that post is, "hey I was right on Julio," then you got bigger problems than I thought.

 

[bbgun]

If Escobar were the goto TE, he'd post pretty big numbers here. You people said the same shit about Martellus Bennett, and as soon as he left and became a regular starter, his numbers took off. Yes, I consider him "quality" depth because if Witten gets hurt and this guy has to assume his role, the offense isn't going to drop off the face of the earth.

Yeah, here's the thing: you don't draft offensive players in the second round to play part-time or to "back up" star players. Second rounders might not be expected to start their rookie year but definitely the second year. We are now in Year 3 with Escobar and he's still a part-timer at best. A smarter team would have learned from the Bennett fiasco, but that ain't us.

 

[Doomsday]

If what you took from that post is, "hey I was right on Julio," then you got bigger problems than I thought.

Dunno if right on Julio or not. After last season I am more sold on Dez than I was when that list was posted. But this year will be the telltale on Dez - first year with the big money deal, does he still beast it? Is he disgruntled because he had to settle for less than Megatron Money? Time will tell.

 

[Dodger12]

Is it Johnnie Walker Blue?

Johnny Black.......

 

[Doomsday]

Johnny Black.......

Was gonna say, with nearly a million of vCash it better not be cheap rot gut or frikkin Coors or something.

 

[Dodger12]

Was gonna say, with nearly a million of vCash it better not be cheap rot gut or frikkin Coors or something.

I've kind of gotten cheaper in my old age except where my alcohol is concerned.