Archer: 5 Wonders: Mo returns, Carter's future

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April, 30, 2012

By Todd Archer


IRVING, Texas – The award-winning 5 Wonders is back for a post-draft look. Today we talk about Morris Claiborne, Bruce Carter, Mike Jenkins and where’s the nose tackle?

** The Cowboys traded up for Claiborne because he was the second player on their draft board and they could not believe he slipped out of the top five. In 2003 the Cowboys drafted Terence Newman with the fifth overall pick and said part of the decision was based on Newman’s return abilities. In nine seasons, Newman had 38 punt returns for a 7.5-yard average and one touchdown. They never really let him do it. I wonder if the Cowboys will let Claiborne return punts and/or kicks. He averaged 25 yards per kick return last year at LSU and had a 99-yard touchdown. He’s not Patrick Peterson as a returner, but he could be a good one and the Cowboys’ return games need to improve in 2012. Here’s a bonus wonder: I wonder if Dez Bryant actually becomes more of a full-time returner this season. It’s Year 3 for him and I wonder if the team will sign him to a second contract down the road.

** Claiborne’s arrival has Jenkins’ future in question. Jenkins is in the last year of his contract and is scheduled to make a little more than $1 million. He is also coming off shoulder surgery and as I wrote on Friday, the team is a little concerned at how much rehab time he’s spending in Florida and not at Valley Ranch. But I wonder what you could get for Jenkins. The money is palatable but he will be an unrestricted free agent in 2013. And he’s coming off major surgery and won’t be ready until training camp. Jerry Jones likes to say a player’s value is lowest at the draft, so they could not get equal value for Jenkins or close to it. I wonder if the Cowboys let Jenkins play out the year, hope he does well, signs a big contract elsewhere and then hope they can get a compensatory back in 2014. The team doesn’t wonder about this (they say) but I wonder if they would like a do-over on Orlando Scandrick’s contract.

** I have to take Jones’ word for it that Bobby Wagner would’ve been the Cowboys’ pick in the second round had the team not made the move up for Claiborne. But I wonder what that means about Carter, last year’s second rounder. At every opportunity the Cowboys have said they liked how Carter progressed last season off a torn anterior cruciate ligament, that he met every goal they planned knowing that he was injured. Well, now he’s healthy and I wonder if he’s really a fit. The Cowboys added Dan Connor in free agency to a two-year deal and Jones said they would’ve taken Wagner, an inside linebacker. That would seem to be a little redundant, unless Rob Ryan is drawing up some sort of special scheme or maybe Wagner could play outside. There will be a lot of eyes on Carter during the organized team activities and minicamp.

** Where’s the true 3-4 nose tackle? As good as Jay Ratliff has been, many of you want the Cowboys to grab a huge nose tackle and slide Ratliff to defensive end. That’s why some fans wanted Dontari Poe in the first round or even Alameda Ta’Amu in the third round. I wonder if the need for that type of plugger is as important nowadays. Think about it. The NFL is a passing league and if you have a 330-pound nose tackle to stop the run, he will play about 30 percent of the snaps. Is it worth it? I don’t know, but it looks like the Cowboys don’t believe so. The good nose tackles in 3-4 defenses now also have some pass rush and flexibility, like Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata. Those guys aren’t available all the time and run defense was not the Cowboys’ downfall last year. I also wonder this: The Cowboys might be higher on Josh Brent than many people know.

** I wonder how many undrafted players make this roster. You can almost lock up Ronald Leary, the Memphis guard, after how Jones talked about him Saturday. Heck, you wonder if Leary could be a candidate to start. Last year four undrafted players made the 53-man roster and a fifth, Raymond Radway, would have if not for an injury.
 

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I'm sure they do want a do over on Scandrick's contract. He always gets beat way too often.

I wonder what's going on with Bruce Carter.
 
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** I have to take Jones’ word for it that Bobby Wagner would’ve been the Cowboys’ pick in the second round had the team not made the move up for Claiborne. But I wonder what that means about Carter, last year’s second rounder. At every opportunity the Cowboys have said they liked how Carter progressed last season off a torn anterior cruciate ligament, that he met every goal they planned knowing that he was injured. Well, now he’s healthy and I wonder if he’s really a fit. The Cowboys added Dan Connor in free agency to a two-year deal and Jones said they would’ve taken Wagner, an inside linebacker. That would seem to be a little redundant, unless Rob Ryan is drawing up some sort of special scheme or maybe Wagner could play outside. There will be a lot of eyes on Carter during the organized team activities and minicamp.

Seems like over-thinking to me. If Jones said they would have taken Wagner, and yet they didn't, maybe that means the team likes Carter enough not to draft Wagner (after all, they didn't draft Wagner).
 
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If they really had Claiborne graded the way they said they did, I don't think they were thinking about who they might have taken in the second round when the opportunity to snag Claiborne was there.

As far as the Conner signing goes, I think that's as much about having an insurance policy as much as anything else. Whatever potential Carter might have, he's not much more than a rookie when it comes to game day experience. You still need some kind of veteran presence in the middle and since they cut James and Brooking loose, that was lacking. Lee was great last year but he still has less than two full seasons under his belt, we don't know if he'll stay healthy long term and who else do we really have inside? Shoot, look at the LB corps as a whole and almost all of our experience is at OLB. We've got four LBs with three or more years experience: Ware, Spencer, Conner and Butler. Without Conner, we only have Lee with any significant starting time inside, everyone else is pretty much untested.
 

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Seems like over-thinking to me. If Jones said they would have taken Wagner, and yet they didn't, maybe that means the team likes Carter enough not to draft Wagner (after all, they didn't draft Wagner).

They didn't have the opportunity too. They said they would have if they still had the 45th pick. But they traded that away.
 
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Maybe Jerruh just remembers that Wagner was the highest guy on the board when pick 45 rolls around.

Maybe we would've gone in another direction anyway.
 
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If they really had Claiborne graded the way they said they did, I don't think they were thinking about who they might have taken in the second round when the opportunity to snag Claiborne was there.

As far as the Conner signing goes, I think that's as much about having an insurance policy as much as anything else. Whatever potential Carter might have, he's not much more than a rookie when it comes to game day experience. You still need some kind of veteran presence in the middle and since they cut James and Brooking loose, that was lacking. Lee was great last year but he still has less than two full seasons under his belt, we don't know if he'll stay healthy long term and who else do we really have inside? Shoot, look at the LB corps as a whole and almost all of our experience is at OLB. We've got four LBs with three or more years experience: Ware, Spencer, Conner and Butler. Without Conner, we only have Lee with any significant starting time inside, everyone else is pretty much untested.

It didn't bother me to see Brookings go. He lost a step anyways. James we could of used another season. Not having that veteran leadership might hurt us, but Connor and Lee will be fine in that role.

Someone needs to step up and I think it's Lee and Connor.
 

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It didn't bother me to see Brookings go. He lost a step anyways. James we could of used another season. Not having that veteran leadership might hurt us, but Connor and Lee will be fine in that role.

Someone needs to step up and I think it's Lee and Connor.

It didn't bother me to see James go. He wasn't that good.
 
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It didn't bother me to see James go. He wasn't that good.

I know we needed to replace James, but maybe keeping him around another year would of given us some depth, until one of these younger guys developed.
 

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I know we needed to replace James, but maybe keeping him around another year would of given us some depth, until one of these younger guys developed.

Gee, that's a horrible idea!
 

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I know we needed to replace James, but maybe keeping him around another year would of given us some depth, until one of these younger guys developed.

I disagree. I think we needed to get rid of a lot of the older players like Brookings and James to allow some of these young guys to become the leaders of this defense.

I think we're gonna be fine with Lee, Conner, and Carter.
 
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Not having that veteran leadership might hurt us, but Connor and Lee will be fine in that role.

Which is it?

Not having veteran leadership might hurt us? Or Lee and Connor will be fine in that role?




I know we needed to replace James, but maybe keeping him around another year would of given us some depth,

Which is it?

You know we needed to replace James?

Or maybe keeping him around would've been a better?



Get your shit all in one sock, and then post.
 

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It didn't bother me to see Brookings go. He lost a step anyways. James we could of used another season. Not having that veteran leadership might hurt us, but Connor and Lee will be fine in that role.

Someone needs to step up and I think it's Lee and Connor.

Dispensing with the "leadership" that James and Newman brought to the team will help the defense quite a bit I think.

I think the hardest James hit anyone in his time here was the time he knocked that fan's glasses off outside of VR.
 
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