Today we learned...

[dbair1967]

ok dooms...its useless with you dude

he wouldn't be a "nowhere man" if it hadn't been for foot surgery, anybody that tries to claim otherwise is either fucking stupid beyond belief or just trolling

 

[Doomsday]

ok dooms...its useless with you dude

he wouldn't be a "nowhere man" if it hadn't been for foot surgery, anybody that tries to claim otherwise is either fucking stupid beyond belief or just trolling

But..... He's a Nowhere Man for entire halfs, three quarters, when healthy. Again, allowing the D to take Dez away ain't all Dez, it's mostly gutless, "risk averse" coaching.

My POINT is Dez has lots to work on and lots of room for improvement.

 

[bbgun]

there's no evidence that he's hampered or impaired by the foot surgery. no limp, no nothing. and the foot doesn't explain bad drops in Tampa and GB.

 

[Doomsday]

and the foot doesn't explain bad drops in Tampa and GB.

Sure it does!

 

[Doomsday]

there's no evidence that he's hampered or impaired by the foot surgery. no limp, no nothing. and the foot doesn't explain bad drops in Tampa and GB.

Dbair coaching up Dez: "Baby you're the greatest, don't change a thing!" -- Umm, wait nevermind. We already have Garrett coddling him.

 

[dbair1967]

there's no evidence that he's hampered or impaired by the foot surgery. no limp, no nothing. and the foot doesn't explain bad drops in Tampa and GB.

I agree there is no excuse for the drops, but he has been nowhere near as explosive as he usually is...he's never looked right this year...first it was the hamstrings in camp, then the foot and then he injured his knee making that TD grab vs Philly

No question a nightmare season for him (and the team) but you guys need to quit acting like he's a JAG or something

 

[Doomsday]

I agree there is no excuse for the drops, but he has been nowhere near as explosive as he usually is...he's never looked right this year...first it was the hamstrings in camp, then the foot and then he injured his knee making that TD grab vs Philly

No question a nightmare season for him (and the team) but you guys need to quit acting like he's a JAG or something

His TD last night came from a for once, good play call. They were playing off him by 5-10 yards in the red zone, something really stupid to do, and they threw the quick WR screen to him and he bulled his way into the end zone.

There's no doubt he has the advantage over most DBs in open field running. After that they choked up on him the rest of the night and took their chances we wouldn't throw deep.

It's the coaching, mostly, that are his problems. The coaching allows teams to take him away, and doesn't often enough take advantage of his advantages and strengths. The coaching allows his foibles to continue.

BUT - he is a fucking adult and it is high time he grew the fuck up and took responsibility for himself.

you guys need to quit acting like he's a JAG or something

Hyperbole. Nobody is, or has.

 

[bbgun]

Dez is a big physical guy who can out-muscle you for the ball but "explosive"? no. like Irvin, he has functional speed but that's it. he rarely makes catches with the defender 5 or 10 yards behind him.

 

[Dodger12]

That Weeden can play, and win.

That Christine Michael can play and be productive.

What else did we learn today that the Dallas coaching morons didn't know?

Yeah, but they can't dress for shit. That has to account for something. Remember, it's not whether you win or lose that counts, but how good you look doing it.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

It was a good 24 hours. Jerry lost to two former coaches, Bowles and Gailey. Zimmer (and Norv) won big to get to 9-5 without a great QB. Weeden won a game as a third stringer after coming in to a 10-0 deficit.

Hopefully Jerry is absolutely furious.

 

[Dodger12]

It was a good 24 hours. Jerry lost to two former coaches, Bowles and Gailey. Zimmer (and Norv) won big to get to 9-5 without a great QB. Weeden won a game as a third stringer after coming in to a 10-0 deficit.

Hopefully Jerry is absolutely furious.

Good point but I don't think Jerry's brain works with this type of detail. There's just too much going on for him to filter and comprehend to come to the conclusion you did. I really believe that. Jerry lives in the moment, consequences be damned.

 

[cmd34]

Yeah, he probably thinks of it as justification and vindication. Jerry was right and helped groomed those fine young coaches

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Today we've learned ---- or had it re-enforced, that COACHING MATTERS. Always had, and always will.

Every coach from Landry on to this POS has proven that for good or for bad.

No matter how well you stock the roster, it will never be enough over the long term to overcome bad coaching.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

#COACHINGMATTERS

 

[Omegasupreme]

Vastly improved from what? His rookie year? He's still got a lot to improve on from the technical aspects. He is not polished at all, still basically muscles his way through.

Blame injuries, blame quarterbacking. Keep defending the dumb player. But he was a Nowhere Man this year regardless - and the great ones never are.

What are you talking about? How are you measuring his route running? There are 9 routes and he runs them all just like any other WR would. The problem is he does get doubled and he's not really a Coryell WR so the "separation" portion (that by the way NO ONE can get) is limited. He has to catch passes while covered generally because a) the Garrett playbook is fairly easy to anticipate and b) he's just not Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison or Charlie Joiner. He's more of a tiger than a cheetah. The Garrett play book does not have any routes that someone could truly say are not "run" well - unless it's T-Willy who might just run out of bounds and fall. These are the Coryell routes.



No one is doing double moves or wheels or anything that requires slick deception and cuts. This is vanilla. But Dez has insane body control that makes him open even when the cb is running the same route as him (only Beasley who is technically the fastest WR other than Butler on the team can run the 9 routes and average the most separation per route) and Dez with 9.75" hands can generally catch anything not thrown in the year 2015. Yes he would be a better fit in an offense that matched his physical style but the route running critique is nonsense. It's like criticizing a hot dog vendor for not being a very good gourmet cook.

 

[cml750]

OH - we also learned that yet another team can lose its starting, franchise quarterback, and still win with a unknown, inexperienced backup. Bengals today, anyone? They join this season's LONG list of teams who keep on winning after they lose their starting QB.

What?? That can't be possible. I read on CowboysZone teams cant win with backup QB's!!