Trade thread

[marionbarberthe4th]

Is something all NBA forums have and NFL forums don't. The NFL is really missing on a lot of fan interest, page hits, and year long attention by limiting trade activity contractually.


In the NBA every players salary is known for a fact. Many fans know every players contract status off the top of their head.

In the NFL contract details trickle out at a snails pace and spreads sporadically through the Internet. Many details often slip the grasp of the average fan leading to confusion and general apathy towards the NFL offseason.


In this fantasy, twitter, hoola-hoop era, why not make the NFL offseason more fan friendly?

 

[superpunk]

I can never keep track of who is where in the NBA. I like it this way better than "Oh [random black guy] plays for [random team] now? When did that happen?"

 

[Midswat]

I don't even watch basketball.

Deal with it.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

And you can name how many guys on the Seahawks ?

There's 5 starters and you can recognize most of them on the street, not too hard. The players that matter movements are well publicized and highly anticipated.


In the NFL idiots like hostile don't know signing Ladarius Webb will cost you draft picks . How much fun would it be to realistically discuss miles for drc

 

[superpunk]

And you can name how many guys on the Seahawks ?

There's 5 starters and you can recognize most of them on the street, not too hard. The players that matter movements are well publicized and highly anticipated.


In the NFL idiots like hostile don't know signing Ladarius Webb will cost you draft picks . How much fun would it be to realistically discuss miles for drc

Traitor?

They'd have to redo everything. There are no "trade for Dwight Howard and Turkoglu's contract deals" that you can make in the NFL, it will always hurt the team unloading more I think. Talking total overhaul.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Because in the NFL you don't need to unload bad deals. You can just release a guy and then take an undisclosed cap hit prorated over a certain amount of years known only to 1 guy on the Internet on a site you're banned from.

In the NBA it's. Alright I'll give you a good player, but you need to take this chump off my hands so I have cap room next year.

In the NFL there's cap charges and hiden accelerator bonuses because god forbid 2 teams agree to a trade that helps both teams

 

[superpunk]

something tells me the biggest hinderance is the length of season. In baseball and basketball by midseason if you are 30-50 you are probably ded. This isn't an anomaly where you lost two games in a row at the end of regulation because your coach is a dumbshit. So teams that know they aren't good start dealing in hopes that they can be good down the line because they don't stand a chance this year.

In football, if you're 3-5 at midseason the world is your oyster. You've still got a hell of a chance, maybe you're a good team maybe not but you don't pack it in for 50 guys and say we'll try NEXT year guys cruise control from here on out.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

There's an entire team of espn writers jockeying for the latest tidbit of NBA rumours and it doesn't stop July 1st(the off-season).

I also think it's a visibility thing. There's 5 guys on the floor, you know when you visualize you're team it's easy to say "shit the clippers need a guard. Let me hop on the trade machine and see if I can get Jordan farmar". You can watch every guy and youre pretty sure you know who can do what and who can't.

In baseball there are no variables. It's all there in black and white. Turd ferguson hits 75% or w/e. Old baseball guys like talking about baseball more than actually watching it

In the NFL it's not always that simple. We can't come to a consenus on if the front 7 sucks worse or the secondary. We know we need help and we don't know of that many Guys who can help

 

[UVAwahoos]

Good discussion. Nice to see a thread that goes longer than 3 posts on this site and is actually fun to read.

 

[cmd34]

I wish the NFL would make 2 changes. Make the trade deadline later. No other game is impacted by injuries more than the NFL. Week 6 is too early. It should be week 12.

The second thing, because of the hard cap in the NFL, as opposed to the NBA's soft cap, trades are much harder. I think the NFL should change it so that if a team with little or no cap room wants to acquire a big time player they can, they just have to get under the cap within 30 days of the trade. If they don't, they forfeit a 2nd round pick or something like that.

The trade deadline dates are huge events in the NBA and MLB. I think the NFL should get in on that action.

 

[NoDak]

I've always liked the idea of a soft cap and moving the trade deadline back.

Allow teams to pay their own drafted players whatever. UDFA would also fit into this, since they've never been on another NFL team at this point. The cap counts towards guys picked up off waivers, trades, FA, etc... It would reward good drafting, and allow teams to build right. Not to mention fan loyalty to homegrown players would again make an appearance.

As for moving the trade deadline back to around week 12, it would cause excitement every year. Teams in the playoff chase could make a trade that might push them over the top. Or a top team that suffers an injury could compensate for the stretch run instead of being dead in the water. Of course, the traded players would have to fit into the soft cap mentioned above. That would stop somebody like D. Snyder from trading all his draft picks trying to build an instant winner.

 

[UVAwahoos]

It would reward good drafting, and allow teams to build right.

In other words, Dallas would not be involved.

 

[NoDak]

In other words, Dallas would not be involved.

I realize it's fun and hip to think this, but actually they would. Guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff, Austin, Free, Lee, Bryant, Smith, Jenkins, etc... wouldn't count againt our soft cap. And we could have held on to a guy like Gurode another year or two until we found a better replacement than Costa.

 

[UVAwahoos]

The soft cap is a better system overall, but there are NFL teams that have done just fine consistently with the hard cap structure. Pittsburgh, NE, NYG, Baltimore, etc have all managed to develop players and have the depth to get around Gurode-like issues for a whole decade now. It speaks a lot that our grand plan was to role with Costa and try to convince the world that we'd be just fine at center. It's also funny how teams like Pittsburgh and NE were way worse off at OL further along in the season, but managed to patch together something respectable. We were aware of our shitty OL situation in August, and were more than happy to let it roll. Ginger even bragged about how they were just gonna stack some good practice days on top of each other and turn Costa into a boss.

Jerry hasn't firmly grasped the nuances of a soft cap system in over 20 years. He'd be equally as confused in a hard cap, and would just play more fantasy football if given the flexibility.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

I've always liked the idea of a soft cap and moving the trade deadline back.

Allow teams to pay their own drafted players whatever. UDFA would also fit into this, since they've never been on another NFL team at this point. The cap counts towards guys picked up off waivers, trades, FA, etc... It would

My idea has been that when re-signing your own draftees you get a break on his cap number. So if we re-sign Spencer to a 4 yr/$32M deal, his base per year would be $8M. But against the cap it counts at only let's say 85%. So his base per year for only counts $6.8M against the cap. Giving us incentive to keep him over an outside FA. And making other teams gave to significantly beat our offer to get him.

This kind of rule would be in place of a franchise tag since you have a built-in advantage already. And would really only mesh with a a straight base salary system. No more moving base salary into bonuses.

So if you're eliminating signing bonuses then you obviously need to move to a more guaranteed contract system.

It may seem like a lot of "if it ain't broke" but I think it A) rewards good drafting B) keeps homegrown talent in town C)streamlines the whole FA process.

In this Internet age many fans want to learn about the cap and the transaction portion of the NFL and really aren't able to. Asking them to turn the NFL part of their brain off isnt possible

 

[NoDak]

I hadn't really thought about it in depth, only that something like that would be ideal.

This sounds good. Forward this plan to Hostile so we can get this ball rolling.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

I hadn't really thought about it in depth, only that something like that would be ideal.

This sounds good. Forward this plan to Hostile so we can get this ball rolling.

If you didnt feel like reading it you could've said so.


Tlr

Instead of accelerators, moving bonus money, cap hit etc. You simplify it

Romo signs a 5/$60M deal and it's all going to be on our books, or someone else's if he's traded. That number won't change. We know what his yearly contract is and we know if we can fit Carl nicks in b/c he wants $11M per year and we have let's say $25M in cap room. No contractual tricks or anything. Base salary and fit the guy in your cap.

Now to offset the actual dollar amounts being paid the team can cut any player and pay out 50% of the contract over the same time period. The redskins get penalized for shitty signings and we know for exactly how much.



What this does is it creates more incentive to trade a guy rather than release him. Since you get something in return and no dead money. And we as fans can appropriately discuss trades because we know Miles is a $7M per year guy and DRC is a $6M per year guy.

 

[superpunk]

If we do it your way what will we need adam for?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

His personality

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Bump
Anybody for a clue how much cap room they'll have?