The never-ending POTUS Election thread....

[Scot]

I listen to a podcast by a chef named David Chang, it was enjoyable until the last few months when it’s gone political where he rants about the evils of Trump and the Republicans but I continue to listen to hear the opposite sides views and hope he’ll eventually get back on topic. What’s funny is he speaks in the same way many Trump supporters do but toward Trump. You could literally switch the terms dem for rep or Trump for Biden in the statements and never realize you were duped

anyway, he said something that I found peculiar. They were talking about turning states blue and said he wasn’t willing to move to West Virginia or some other state which came across like it was a coordinated effort being communicated to democrats. This left me wondering how that message is being communicated.

Does anyone know if youre an active democrat whether you get memos, etc encouraging stuff like this?

what was also frustrating as hell is to hear him and his cohorts and a reporter named alex wagner go off on Trump, et al but never said anything specific about what his policies where and why they were a problem. It was always he’s an idiot, racist, asshole, I hate him, etc, etc...all feelings but no substance

it made (& makes) me want to puke, emotions seem to be driving people’s behaviors and beliefs along with peer pressure to comply with the Trump outrage. There are plenty of worthy examples to justify opposing Trump but when I ask people why they hate him, all they ever say is stuff like he’s a racist and then I ask why do you think he’s a racist and they can never explain why.

I don’t care if folks dislike, hate, etc Trump but damn, can it least be based on sound logic and not feelings?

i realize that’s too big of an ask and the answer is “no” so for the first time in my life I’m concerned about this country and where this mentality will take us. It’s shocking to see so many people openly advocating for censorship of thoughts and ideas they don’t like

it makes me wonder where the world will escape to when there is no longer an America to run to

The left doesn’t need facts or logic

CNN/MSNBC said orange man bad, that’s enough for the left

 

[Doomsday]

The left doesn’t need facts or logic

CNN/MSNBC said orange man bad, that’s enough for the left

They worked from Jumpstreet to try to delegitimize Trump's presidency. That's a fact. And right now I can't see the difference, is Giuliani and company actually trying to prove massive fraud? Or are they just doing everything they can to try to delegitimize John Gill Biden? Is this just childish infantile tit for tat? Really honestly can't tell.

 

[Scot]

Ok, I’ve been watching the case going on right now as I type this in AZ for over an hour now.

Giuliani has Col. Phil Waldren testifying who is the former head of some cyber security task force having to do with elections (I don’t know if he is a former or current head of said task force because I didn’t catch his introduction)

Using his testimony Giuliani has laid out an iron clad absolutely amazing case proving that this election could have been hacked along with how it could have been hacked.

His testimony proves that we should have NEVER allowed the use of these Dominion voting machines and why we should never use them again for any election in any state for any reason. Period! They have proven the numerous ways in which these machine can be penetrated and how votes can be easily switched. These machines are vulnerable from start to finish and can be penetrated all along the way.

I must say, the testimony is completely damning and pretty fucking impressive.

But....

The one thing they haven’t proven is that any votes were tampered with in this election. They have only proven that they could have been.

Maybe the actual proof of voter fraud is coming later, I’ll wait and see

 

[Dodger12]

Ok, I’ve been watching the case going on right now as I type this in AZ for over an hour now.

Giuliani has Col. Phil Waldren testifying who is the former head of some cyber security task force having to do with elections (I don’t know if he is a former or current head of said task force because I didn’t catch his introduction)

Using his testimony Giuliani has laid out an iron clad absolutely amazing case proving that this election could have been hacked along with how it could have been hacked.

His testimony proves that we should have NEVER allowed the use of these Dominion voting machines and why we should never use them again for any election in any state for any reason. Period! They have proven the numerous ways in which these machine can be penetrated and how votes can be easily switched. These machines are vulnerable from start to finish and can be penetrated all along the way.

I must say, the testimony is completely damning and pretty fucking impressive.

But....

The one thing they haven’t proven is that any votes were tampered with in this election. They have only proven that they could have been.

Maybe the actual proof of voter fraud is coming later, I’ll wait and see

Thanks for this Scott and I listened to the Colonel but very late in his testimony. Quite honestly, as I was listening to him, I was thinking about your comment earlier (re: evidence) that I responded to. I was also thinking how different his testimony was in comparison to the 60 minutes interview of Krebs. This guy was in the weeds and comes across as very knowledgeable. He knows his subject matter, unlike what I heard last night.

Although I missed most of his testimony, the one thing that struck me as odd is that he made reference to the real time additions and subtractions of votes that we witnessed election night. The news media gets real time feeds. If this is the case, how are votes subtracted from one candidate and the exact number of votes added to the other in live feeds and literally right before anyone's eyes? How does this happen? How are votes applied to a candidate subtracted and why?

There's a lot of fire here and, yes, this is evidence. I also get the feeling the Colonel has a qualified team of experts who can look at the machines and hardware if he can get his hands on them.

 

[Scot]

Thanks for this Scott and I listened to the Colonel but very late in his testimony. Quite honestly, as I was listening to him, I was thinking about your comment earlier (re: evidence) that I responded to. I was also thinking how different his testimony was in comparison to the 60 minutes interview of Krebs. This guy was in the weeds and comes across as very knowledgeable. He knows his subject matter, unlike what I heard last night.

Although I missed most of his testimony, the one thing that struck me as odd is that he made reference to the real time additions and subtractions of votes that we witnessed election night. The news media gets real time feeds. If this is the case, how are votes subtracted from one candidate and the exact number of votes added to the other in live feeds and literally right before anyone's eyes? How does this happen? How are votes applied to a candidate subtracted and why?

There's a lot of fire here and, yes, this is evidence. I also get the feeling the Colonel has a qualified team of experts who can look at the machines and hardware if he can get his hands on them.

There have been voting irregularities to be sure. But they still have to prove it.

And this Col. also testified in another state last week about the same thing. So he appears to be the expert they bring out to set up the idea that voter fraud may have occurred.

And yes, he certainly knows his shit. And yes he has his team, and yes they have looked at the votes according to him. But he stopped short of saying what actually happened. He made it seem like his team can easily root out the voter fraud. But he hasn’t done so yet. So that is a little concerning.

He was certainly an impressive expert witness and I can see why he’s the one they appear to be trotting around the country to set the stage so to speak. He’s tossing out the layup for the other witnesses with first hand accounts of election night to slam dunk this case home.

Let’s hope they can!

 

[Scot]

If anyone else wants to watch the AZ case as it unfolds you can watch it on YouTube live



They are about to take an hour lunch break right now

 

[Dodger12]

He made it seem like his team can easily root out the voter fraud. But he hasn’t done so yet. So that is a little concerning.

I agree with your whole post....as to the quoted part, what's even more concerning is why the states don't want to get to the bottom of it. Again, I understand your argument about evidence. But you've got some pretty good witnesses, even the poll watcher that testified before the lunch break. She was straight forward and came across as honest and some of the things that were happening like people voting from out of state or in-state residents who can prove their residency were turned away. Oh, and they were Republicans....what a coincidence. And the Dems had a guy there in Nevada from California whose job it was to "turn the state blue." GTFOH....

There's plenty of evidence and solid eye witnesses for the states to investigate the integrity of their election(s).

 

[Doomsday]

There's plenty of evidence and solid eye witnesses for the states to investigate the integrity of their election(s)

Enough for a judge to reasonably say there is probable cause to consider the voting machines and the tallying machines, crime scene evidence and as such ordered locked down immediately. Of course the other side would immediately try to get an injunction against that, it's expected. But this gets it in the federal courts for fair hearing.

This is the kind of meat I have been expecting. Thanks, Scot for bringing it here.

It's not that some of us didn't want to listen, it's that some of us didn't want to listen to bullshit.

 

[Scot]

And there in lies the problem

They can bring up 1000 witnesses to state that the election wasn’t handled properly in one way or another in each district at each and every polling location across the entire country

All that will do is raise doubts to the validity of the election, (which already exists for Trump supporters and is being ignored by the left) but it won’t change a damn thing other than hopefully ban the use of the dominion voting machines in the future. And that’s a good thing

But until they bring up a witness that can state specifically that I saw this person change votes from Trump to Biden, or this person remove votes for Trump (or whatever specific fraud you want to use, take your pick) then they don’t have a case. Plus they will have to show that the severity of the fraud is significant enough to overcome whatever Biden’s lead in the vote count is in that state. That a HUGE ask.

Again, I sure as hell hope they can

But so far all they have proven is that voter fraud could happen and that the election process was not handled appropriately at one single polling location. But they did not prove fraud at that same polling location.

 

[Scot]

And by the way, what I can easily see happening and I fully expect to happen is that Trumps team will be able to create enough doubt in each of the battleground states to warrant the lockdown of the voting machines and to stop the wiping of voting records. Like they just did in Georgia. Georgia already wanted to wipe them clean so they could use them in a run off election in the upcoming weeks. Imagine that.

But my fear and what I fully expect to happen is that even with the wins Trumps team may have to get the lockdown in place is that it will somehow, some way, mysteriously be too fucking late, and ALL the machines will have already have been “mistakingly” wiped clean. Ooops, did I do that? As Steve Urkel would say. Then it will be too late, case closed, nothing to see here, move along!

 

[Scot]

They are back from lunch

Here is the live feed for anyone interested

Watch: Arizona State Legislature Holds Public Hearing on 2020 Election With Giuliani

Members of President Donald Trump's legal team have scheduled a public hearing with select members of Arizona's legislature to gather and examine any evidence of election irregularities and fraud in the state. Monday's hearing will be at the Hyatt Regency in downtown Phoenix. Trump's personal...

www.realclearpolitics.com

They are currently hearing from a statistician who is discussing the results of the election in AZ in graph form. He goes on to explain that they have the ability to change variables to try to match the graph from election night. They tried a number of scenarios, but nothing that could have actually happened matched the graph.

Then they tried scenarios that couldn’t possibly happen and they finally found a match.

The scenario that matched the graph perfectly is if you change Biden’s vote to count for 30% more than 100% (meaning it’s being counted at 130% instead of the 100% that it should be counted at) and that Trumps votes counted for 30% less than 100%. With those variables in place both of the lines on the graph matched the election night perfectly.

Wow, fucking amazing! Then the statistician goes on to say that this would be the only explanation for these results. And continues to say that the independent votes were not counted in his tabulations. When asked if the missing independent votes could possibly explain the Election Day results he answered yes.

So while his theory was amazing, he in essence just admitted that he didn’t use all the data points (which included the independent votes) to create his graph. He went on to say that the independent votes (if cast for Biden) could create the same results. So in essence he debunked himself.

When I started watching again at 1pm they had already started interviewing a new witness before this statistician guy.

I don’t know who it was or what he testified about. But what I did hear is one of the AZ Senators thank that witness for providing the smoking gun and blood splatter that everyone has been looking for. So I have no idea what the testimony/evidence presented had to do with, but it really impressed one of the AZ Senators. Hopefully we will hear more about what that may have been later.

 

[Scot]

With all of this information being provided today in this case it blows me away that AZ did not certify their election results until this morning and before today’s testimony regarding voter fraud

 

[yimyammer]

If anyone else wants to watch the AZ case as it unfolds you can watch it on YouTube live



They are about to take an hour lunch break right now

what is this event?

There was a prayer at the start (about the 1:50 mark) of this thing that would have caused peoples heads to explode (not mine) had it been at a government venue. So this leads me to think this isn't a formal legal proceeding and anyone testifying isn't under oath, etc

 

[Scot]

what is this event?

There was a prayer at the start (about the 1:50 mark) of this thing that would have caused peoples heads to explode (not mine) had it been at a government venue. So this leads me to think this isn't a formal legal proceeding and anyone testifying isn't under oath, etc

It’s a public hearing held by the AZ legislature into the 2020 election for the purpose of allowing Trumps legal team to present evidence/witness testimony into their claims of voter irregularities and voter fraud during the election.

 

[yimyammer]

It’s a public hearing held by the AZ legislature into the 2020 election for the purpose of allowing Trumps legal team to present evidence/witness testimony into their claims of voter irregularities and voter fraud during the election.

doesnt that seem weird?

Why not just take it to court?

Feels like they're playing games when time is of the essence

 

[Scot]

doesnt that seem weird?

Why not just take it to court?

Feels like they're playing games when time is of the essence

Yes

I completely agree and have no idea why they haven’t filed already. They seem to have enough to prove that voting irregularities have occurred in AZ.

I think the problem is that they have eyewitness accounts that some hinky shit was going on, but no actually proof of real voter fraud. At least not from what the witnesses testified to today that I saw.

 

[Scot]

One thing I found interesting is that the Col. was asked by one of the Senators if any of the information that he was testifying to was turned over to DHS and he stated “yes, and a whole lot more, they have everything” (or something along those lines, I’m paraphrasing here)

But he’s basically saying that DHS already has ALL the proof that the Trump legal team has uncovered in the different states

the way he made it sound was that they clearly had enough proof to take the appropriate actions.

 

[Dodger12]

Yes

I completely agree and have no idea why they haven’t filed already. They seem to have enough to prove that voting irregularities have occurred in AZ.

I think the problem is that they have eyewitness accounts that some hinky shit was going on, but no actually proof of real voter fraud. At least not from what the witnesses testified to today that I saw.

doesnt that seem weird?

Why not just take it to court?

Feels like they're playing games when time is of the essence

Filing a law suit won't help them, as there's simply not nearly enough time. Lin Wood and Sidney Powell have already done that and that's why the administration split with Powell. Two different strategies. The argument the administration is making will be a constitutional argument that will go the SCOTUS. Their argument is that the states violated the Constitution's Election Clause by making changes to state voting laws outside the legislative process. Only the state legislatures can make laws pertaining to voting, as per the US Constitution. The governor, nor the State Supreme courts, can extend voting dates or loosen signature validation laws. It's a solid argument but it's going to take courage to rule in the administration's favor. If they (SCOTUS) do, then the state legislatures, the majority of which are Republican led, get to pick the electors and Trump will win.

The only thing Rudy and the witnesses are doing is laying out the evidence that there was some type of fraud that occurred and that the governor and SoS's should not have certified the elections in some of these states with so many questions surrounding the process.

A lawsuit will mean depositions, discovery, etc. and may take years.

 

[Dodger12]

This is a great synopsis for those that that think Trump supporters are delusional. A lot of questions are floating around out there. One of my favorites and totally unexplainable.....

"We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes."

Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling

Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling

To say out-loud that you find the results of the 2020 election odd is to invite derision. You must be a crank. Well, count me one

spectator.us

To say out-loud that you find the results of the 2020 presidential election odd is to invite derision. You must be a crank or a conspiracy theorist. Mark me down as a crank, then. I am a pollster and I find this election to be deeply puzzling. I also think that the Trump campaign is still well within its rights to contest the tabulations. Something very strange happened in America’s democracy in the early hours of Wednesday November 4 and the days that followed. It’s reasonable for a lot of Americans to want to find out exactly what.

First, consider some facts. President Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.

Trump’s vote increased so much because, according to exit polls, he performed far better with many key demographic groups. Ninety-five percent of Republicans voted for him. He did extraordinarily well with rural male working-class whites.

He earned the highest share of all minority votes for a Republican since 1960. Trump grew his support among black voters by 50 percent over 2016. Nationally, Joe Biden’s black support fell well below 90 percent, the level below which Democratic presidential candidates usually lose.

Trump increased his share of the national Hispanic vote to 35 percent. With 60 percent or less of the national Hispanic vote, it is arithmetically impossible for a Democratic presidential candidate to win Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. Bellwether states swung further in Trump’s direction than in 2016. Florida, Ohio and Iowa each defied America’s media polls with huge wins for Trump. Since 1852, only Richard Nixon has lost the Electoral College after winning this trio, and that 1960 defeat to John F. Kennedy is still the subject of great suspicion.

Midwestern states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin always swing in the same direction as Ohio and Iowa, their regional peers. Ohio likewise swings with Florida. Current tallies show that, outside of a few cities, the Rust Belt swung in Trump’s direction. Yet, Biden leads in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because of an apparent avalanche of black votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states, which is highly unusual for the presidential victor.

We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.

Victorious presidential candidates, especially challengers, usually have down-ballot coattails; Biden did not. The Republicans held the Senate and enjoyed a ‘red wave’ in the House, where they gained a large number of seats while winning all 27 toss-up contests. Trump’s party did not lose a single state legislature and actually made gains at the state level.

Another anomaly is found in the comparison between the polls and non-polling metrics. The latter include: party registrations trends; the candidates’ respective primary votes; candidate enthusiasm; social media followings; broadcast and digital media ratings; online searches; the number of (especially small) donors; and the number of individuals betting on each candidate.

Despite poor recent performances, media and academic polls have an impressive 80 percent record predicting the winner during the modern era. But, when the polls err, non-polling metrics do not; the latter have a 100 percent record. Every non-polling metric forecast Trump’s reelection. For Trump to lose this election, the mainstream polls needed to be correct, which they were not. Furthermore, for Trump to lose, not only did one or more of these metrics have to be wrong for the first time ever, but every single one had to be wrong, and at the very same time; not an impossible outcome, but extremely unlikely nonetheless.

Atypical voting patterns married with misses by polling and non-polling metrics should give observers pause for thought. Adding to the mystery is a cascade of information about the bizarre manner in which so many ballots were accumulated and counted.

The following peculiarities also lack compelling explanations:

1. Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers

2. Statistically abnormal vote counts were the new normal when counting resumed. They were unusually large in size (hundreds of thousands) and had an unusually high (90 percent and above) Biden-to-Trump ratio

3. Late arriving ballots were counted. In Pennsylvania, 23,000 absentee ballots have impossible postal return dates and another 86,000 have such extraordinary return dates they raise serious questions

4. The failure to match signatures on mail-in ballots. The destruction of mail-in ballot envelopes, which must contain signatures

5. Historically low absentee ballot rejection rates despite the massive expansion of mail voting. Such is Biden’s narrow margin that, as political analyst Robert Barnes observes, ‘If the states simply imposed the same absentee ballot rejection rate as recent cycles, then Trump wins the election’

6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing

7. Non-resident voters. Matt Braynard’s Voter Integrity Project estimates that 20,312 people who no longer met residency requirements cast ballots in Georgia. Biden’s margin is 12,670 votes

8. Serious ‘chain of custody’ breakdowns. Invalid residential addresses. Record numbers of dead people voting. Ballots in pristine condition without creases, that is, they had not been mailed in envelopes as required by law

9. Statistical anomalies. In Georgia, Biden overtook Trump with 89 percent of the votes counted. For the next 53 batches of votes counted, Biden led Trump by the same exact 50.05 to 49.95 percent margin in every single batch. It is particularly perplexing that all statistical anomalies and tabulation abnormalities were in Biden’s favor. Whether the cause was simple human error or nefarious activity, or a combination, clearly something peculiar happened.

If you think that only weirdos have legitimate concerns about these findings and claims, maybe the weirdness lies in you.

 

[This Bud's 4U]

They worked from Jumpstreet to try to delegitimize Trump's presidency. That's a fact. And right now I can't see the difference, is Giuliani and company actually trying to prove massive fraud? Or are they just doing everything they can to try to delegitimize John Gill Biden? Is this just childish infantile tit for tat? Really honestly can't tell.

At least Julie has a fuckton of circumstantial evidence...What evidence did the RUSSIA! loons have?