Scouts' comments on Dallas draft picks

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NFL Scouts' Comments on Cowboys Draft Picks

Bob McGinn of The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is widely considered to have the best connection to NFL scouts across the the league and his information is widely repeated by other (larger) NFL beat writers. I have a family member with access to his reports and I've collected what McGinn gathered from NFL scouts on the guys who eventually became Cowboys this year. I thought it would be interesting to see what scouts were saying about the picks.

Note: McGinn only collected (or at least published) the top 10-15 prospects per positon/category so not all of the Cowboys draft picks are here.

Morris Claiborne

Third-year junior. "Pure cover corner with great ball skills," Philadelphia GM Howie Roseman said. "They're so hard to find." Went to LSU as a WR but moved to CB in 2009, serving as a deep reserve, before teaming with Patrick Peterson in 2010 and then Tyrann Mathieu in '11. "The only thing that would stop him from being great is that he doesn't have a special catch-up gear," one scout said. "In terms of smoothness, athleticism, ball skills, hands, anticipation - he's really good." Started 26 of 33 games, finishing with 11 interceptions and 12 PBUs (passes broken up). Scored just four on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test but scouts say he has a reading disability and learns well in other settings. "He can pick it up," another scout said. "Great kid. Can't read very well. He doesn't take timed tests." Peterson, who had a superb rookie season for Arizona, scored nine the year before. Hails from Shreveport, La. "When I think of guys like Deion Sanders and Charles Woodson and Chris McAlister and Champ Bailey, those guys were a league above this guy," a third scout said. "He's not Patrick Peterson, either. He ends up on the ground some, and I've always been afraid of corners that fell out in space for no reason. But he's a solid cornerback in the NFL."

Tyrone Crawford

Played as a prep in Windsor, Ontario. "You don't see many Canadian kids come ready to play collegiately," one scout said. "This guy probably has more 'get-better' in him. Long, kind of thinnish guy. He's a 4-3 D-end who has enough natural strength to hold the point, but he doesn't really overpower the tackle. He's a really smart football player and a good kid." Former junior-college player who started 11of 25 games in Boise, finishing with 76 tackles (27 for loss) and 13½ sacks. "He's a good, solid, 4-3 defensive end," another scout said. "He's got strength, motor, instinct, up side. He's not going to be a dynamic pass rusher, but he will play."

Kyle Wilbur

Overcame a traumatic home situation as a youth. "We had him in for a visit," one scout said. "He's the best kid I've interviewed in 15 years." Generally stood up in the Demon Deacons' unconventional defense that's a cross between a 4-3 and 3-4. "Boy, he's a good-looking athlete," another scout said. "He can run and really close. I thought he was more finesse than power. I wouldn't question his toughness but I kind of wanted him to let loose a little more in that regard. He will be very attractive to 3-4 teams." Finished with 195 tackles (35½ for loss), 13½ sacks and nine "big" plays in 43 games (36 starts). Out of Apopka, Fla. "He's a good project," a third scout said. "He's kind of reminiscent of (Jeremy) Thompson a few years ago. He never panned out, for whatever reason."

James Hanna

Possesses rare straight-line speed. "Pretty much an all-around guy," one scout said. "I was kind of hoping he'd last a little bit longer." Described by another scout as a "workout phenom." Native of Flower Mound, Texas. Caught 52 balls for 720 yards (13.9) and nine TDs. "He's a real good athlete but he's inconsistent blocking and catching," a third scout said. "He reminds people of the kid that came out of Florida (Hernandez) and the guy that came out of Iowa (Dallas Clark)." Led TEs on the Wonderlic with 36.
 
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What was Wilbers traumatic home situation as a youth? Has that been covered and I completely missed it?
 
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So if Crawford is a 4-3 player why did we draft him?

Is he only playing when we are in the 4-3 look maybe. Unless he's playing outside linebacker in our 3-4.
 

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Didn't Jerry say that Mo was their highest-rated CB coming out of the draft since Deion? Now, that's not the same as saying he's as good as Deion, but this scout also contends that Mo's not in Woodson's, McAlister's, Peterson's, or Bailey's league either. That's worrisome if true.
 
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Great information, BB. Thanks!

Didn't Jerry say that Mo was their highest-rated CB coming out of the draft since Deion? Now, that's not the same as saying he's as good as Deion, but this scout also contends that Mo's not in Woodson's, McAlister's, Peterson's, or Bailey's league either. That's worrisome if true.

Yeah, that caught me eye too.

I wasn't gung-ho on giving up a 1st and 2nd round choice on a CB, especially after signing Carr, but at least I could understand the team's thinking if they were getting a truly elite, HOF-caliber CB. If Mo isn't truly elite, I'm hating the move.
 

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Great information, BB. Thanks!



Yeah, that caught me eye too.

I wasn't gung-ho on giving up a 1st and 2nd round choice on a CB, especially after signing Carr, but at least I could understand the team's thinking if they were getting a truly elite, HOF-caliber CB. If Mo isn't truly elite, I'm hating the move.

If true, that would make my criticism of the move even more valid. Hope it's not though for the team's sake.
 

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So if Crawford is a 4-3 player why did we draft him?

Is he only playing when we are in the 4-3 look maybe. Unless he's playing outside linebacker in our 3-4.

alot of guys who "look" like 4-3 players end up playing DE in a 3-4, and do quite well at it.

virtually every draft pub said this guy was an ideal 3-4 DE prospect
 

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Didn't Jerry say that Mo was their highest-rated CB coming out of the draft since Deion? Now, that's not the same as saying he's as good as Deion, but this scout also contends that Mo's not in Woodson's, McAlister's, Peterson's, or Bailey's league either. That's worrisome if true.

Thats actually not what he said, he said the scouts rated Claiborne as having the best ball skills of any CB since Deion, and said Claiborne was the highest rated CB by the team in quite some time.

Jerry said our scouts did have a higher grade on Claiborne than Peterson in terms of pure CB skill.
 

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Thats actually not what he said, he said the scouts rated Claiborne as having the best ball skills of any CB since Deion, and said Claiborne was the highest rated CB by the team in quite some time.
Right, and in terms of ball skills alone, that might not be far off.

Claiborne's challenge will be when he's manned up on the truly elite athletes of the league because he's not the fastest or most explosive guy.
 

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Claiborne's challenge will be when he's manned up on the truly elite athletes of the league because he's not the fastest or most explosive guy.

He definitely never looked slow in the games I watched.

Its not like I saw all their games, but I dont ever recall seeing someone run away from him in the games I did watch.
 
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Didn't Jerry say that Mo was their highest-rated CB coming out of the draft since Deion? Now, that's not the same as saying he's as good as Deion, but this scout also contends that Mo's not in Woodson's, McAlister's, Peterson's, or Bailey's league either. That's worrisome if true.

But he's a solid cornerback in the NFL."


Trading up to 6th to take a CB, he better be a can't-miss player in the elite category and not just a "solid CB".
 

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No kidding. Mike Jenkins is a "solid cornerback" when healthy. Mo's supposed to be on another level. He better be.
 

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Whoever said he was "solid" is probably pissed we traded up and got him.
 

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Bailey's a likely HOFer, so I can live with that comparison.
 

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But he's a solid cornerback in the NFL."


Trading up to 6th to take a CB, he better be a can't-miss player in the elite category and not just a "solid CB".

pretty sure if you had the chance to talk to all 32 teams, they'd have all said Claiborne was a top 4,5,6 player on their board.
 

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I have a bad feeling about Wilbur and don't really know why. Everything you read about his is glowing. I think it's just that he doesn't really strike me as a true pass rushing OLB. More of an all around guy that'd probably fit better in a 4-3......or inside in a 3-4.
 
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