Jones says Garrett making all decisions on staff

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Don't feel like re-reading the thread... but if your questions why we think Jerry is lying when no former employees called him a feggit publicly, then I'm going to have to ask you to re-read post #39.
 
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Yeah I don't think Jerry Jones is telling the truth here.

But no ones called him a liar.

Well, no. Professional courtesy and you don't burn bridges. Besides, Jimmy Johnson has called him a liar.

JIMMY JOHNSON DOESNT COUNT

Why?

Cuz

Huh?

YOU GOT NOTHING

No u
 
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Jerry's prior comments and actions tell us he's lying...

Don't need Bill Parcells to magically become a gossip in the media to corroborate that.
 
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I think there is some truth to what Jerry is saying, but you have to read between the lines. Now I don't believe that Garrett made all of these hires himself and remember, Jerry stripped him of ultimate play-calling responsibilities (yes, he'll ultimately have the final decision, but Callahan will get to implement his own stuff into the game-plan). However, I think Jerry is giving Jason Garrett the Bill Parcells' type walk-around head coaching role and Jason either sinks or swims with it.
 
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It could be anyone. Bill's not our only former employee. Jimmy wasn't the only one corroborating his stories.

I'm saying there's a chance they're all telling the truth. You're saying nothing's changed in 20 years and everyone is lying. No idea why I should believe that.
 
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superpunk said:
He didn't just say that, he has spoken glowingly of his time working with Jerry.

Again, we're just assuming that EVERYONE is lying based on our preconceptions. Jimmy and co. trashed the shit out of Jerry, that's how we know how things went down back then. Alot of people have run through here since then, why do we just default to disbelieving what they have to say?

That doesn't address the point that Jerry has basically stripped himself of all credit here with his own words. And yet we still insist that he's completely motivated by the need to get credit for our success, and that he's calling all the shots. I'm just saying the picture of the egomaniacal control freak who craves attention and credit while at the same time constantly downplays his role in the organization doesn't make alot of sense. Maybe he's telling the truth?

Ultimately it doesn't matter, because nothing we've done works. And it won't matter if it starts working either, because we'll just be happy and who cares who gets credit?
Keep reading...

Until Jerry removes all the football titles from his name, I'm forced to disbelieve your sentiment.
 
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I actually bet Jerry is a great guy to work for and a great guy to play for. I even think he's probably genuinely well liked and respected (at least a businessman). You never hear former players say much about him because he treats them well and, I think, really cares about his players. Maybe too much....which we see when extends Ratliff, hangs onto a guy too long, etc.

I do think the "walking on eggshells" thing is telling though. I think Parcells probably made it pretty clear up front on that plane in Jersey what he would and would not be doing. I think Jerry just sort of had to grin and bear it to get the team back in contention and drum up support for his stadium. I mean, that is basically what he said in a drunken stupor.

And I do think they probably do a lot of things by consensus. And I think the guys who is most convincing or gets Jerry's ear last probably has the most influence on his decisions. However, he has no clue how to build a football team. That is apparent as time goes on and he switches coaches, schemes, players, etc. The team has no real identity.

You need some acrimony in a front office. In Holley's book (The War Room) he talked about how the GM and the higher level scouts would constantly grill and challenge the lower level scouts to be sure they got the best information from them.

And as far as Garrett.....of course Jerry wants him to succeed, he picked him. He desperately wants to be known as the guy that picked up this former Cowboys back up and molded him into a successful coach. I wouldn't be surprised if, after the season, he really felt that changing play callers was a good idea (and it is), but between now and then, Garrett worked on him a bit and he's changing his tune.
 
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superpunk said:
So you guys are effectively saying that not only is Jerry lying to make himself look good, but everyone who's worked for him since Jimmy is also lying in order to protect their prospects in the league - even ones with a history of skewering owners who will never look for a job in the league again? Why should I believe that?

From the time Kraft overruled Parcells and took Terry Glenn til they split you knew there was a problem. Once Parcells got out it all came out.

It's like conspiracy theorists. Fucking truthers want me to believe that EVERYONE who was involved with this shit is lying for the sake of the cover up? Why should I believe that? Isn't the simpler answer that everyone is telling the truth, things work just like they say they do, we just suck? Why do we also have to believe the Jerry is a lying control freak business?
Keep reading...

Are you referring to Parcells here?
 
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superpunk said:
It could be anyone. Bill's not our only former employee. Jimmy wasn't the only one corroborating his stories.

I'm saying there's a chance they're all telling the truth. You're saying nothing's changed in 20 years and everyone is lying. No idea why I should believe that.
Keep reading...

You're going to believe what you want. If Jerry has earned your trust - which is a laughable notion in the first place - then by all means....

The reality is, none of us have sat in on any meetings between the two (Jason/Jerry). We don't know what was said, or who is making what decisions.

But here is what we do know:

  • Jason said immediately after the season that it was in the teams best interest for him to remain the playcaller.
  • Jerry swore to make it a very uncomfortable offseason at Valley Ranch.
  • Jerry went on hiatus, and confided with people he trusts.
  • Lacewell, being one of them, let it slip during a radio interview that "we tried it Jasons way and it hasn't worked."
  • Jerry was unhappy with John Garrett on the staff.
  • John starts applying at refridgerator colleges around the country and eventually takes a demotion to work as a positions coach in Tampa
  • We're hiring a lot of coaches with whom Jason has no prior association with.

That is what we know.


Now... if you want to believe that Jason is making all these decisions then you can live in that world. No skin off my back.


But I don't really think you believe that. You're too smart for that.
 
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Garrett has a connection to the new special teams coach and uh, we almost hired Dooley to coach WRs...kinda

so, there.
 
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You don't need to sit in on any meetings to figure out that Jerry is in it for the credit that would accompany a Super Bowl win. Naming himself GM and President of Football Operations is a dead giveaway.

That's a fag get Hostile tactic anyways.
 
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Midswat said:
But I don't really think you believe that.
Keep reading...

Ya think?

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