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Not really. Take Megatron out of the equation and then see how much of a 'beast" he truly is. Megatron makes Stafford better and not the other way around.
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If you throw the ball nearly 700 times and have a WR like Johnson, those numbers would not be all that hard to obtain.
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You wouldn't happen to know Thorn from DCC would ya?
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[h=2]Rapoport: Dallas Cowboys still have plans for disgruntled CB Mike Jenkins[/h]
Dallas Cowboys still have plans for disgruntled CB Mike Jenkins
By Ian Rapoport
NFL.com and NFL Network
IRVING, Texas -- The focus of the Mike Jenkins saga has exclusively been off the field.
The Dallas Cowboys' disgruntled cornerback is skipping organized team activities, asking for a trade and trying to find a new home. Though teams such as the Indianapolis Colts have expressed interest, Cowboys sources have privately echoed what coach Jason Garrett said publicly last week: "We're not gonna trade him."
The murky situation could linger until training camp and beyond. But let's turn our attention on the field. Let's, for a moment, take the Cowboys at their word. Let's assume there is no offer that makes their eyes pop, no deal where they could recoup significant value. If that's the case, Dallas has a contingency plan for the secondary that involves putting four cornerbacks on the field on a regular basis, including Jenkins.
While Jenkins is frustrated that the Cowboys effectively replaced him this offseason, members of Dallas' coaching staff view it differently. They believe they can put big-ticket free agent Brandon Carr, No. 6 overall pick Morris Claiborne, slot corner Orlando Scandrick and Jenkins on the field together. While a nickel look featuring four corners would be considered a departure from normalcy, it is an adjustment to a game already tilted toward the pass.
"This league has become a passing league," Cowboys defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson said. "Look at what the quarterbacks are doing and how the game is kind of evolving a little bit, how they protect the quarterbacks, and rightfully so. The more cover guys you have, the better off you'll be on defense. So any time we can put cover guys on the field in a pass situation and let those guys match up, I think it helps our defense. We'll look to do that some if the opportunity presents itself."
Owner Jerry Jones first mentioned the suggestion a few weeks ago, and it has merit. It also explains why Jones said Jenkins has "a very critical role in what we want to do defensively."
The Cowboys, who improved from the 31st-ranked scoring defense in 2010 to No. 16 in 2011 under new coordinator Rob Ryan, hope to take the next step in 2012. They envision a defense where stellar coverage leads to more sacks, more takeaways, fewer third-down conversions and more wins.
The Cowboys have tried to make clear their belief that pressure hasn't been the problem. They think they have enough to get after the quarterback, with DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer and others. Thanks to injuries and ineffectiveness, they simply haven't covered well enough. The emphasis on improving this area was evident in free agency, when they grabbed Carr from the Kansas City Chiefs, and during the draft, when they traded up for Claiborne's services. It sets up for a high-priced group of defensive backs that, according to Jones, "can go get the football when it's not thrown perfect."
This year, there will be times when it's four corners and safety Gerald Sensabaugh trying to make it happen.
"I don't know what they have planned," Scandrick said. "I feel like the best players are going to play, regardless of ... who you are."
That's the idea.
Though it's not a perfect solution.
Playing four corners and leaving out one physical safety (likely free agent Brodney Poole) creates a void in run stuffing and puts more pressure on a wanting linebacker group. If opponents feature a burly tight end, more than one safety may be needed.
But with 24 quarterbacks averaging 30 or more attempts per game last season, passing is the norm. And it's not like they'd be the first team to use an unconventional look as their main defense.
Last year, before they played the Jets, the New England Patriots inserted cornerback Sterling Moore into the starting lineup as a "safety" and simply instructed him to cover. Later, it was former Pro Bowl corner Devin McCourty at safety.
According to data compiled by the analytical website ProFootballFocus.com, teams used four cornerbacks for 1,627 snaps last year, a small number that was mostly limited to dime packages. Of that number, the look was used in nickel packages -- as the Cowboys would -- 365 times, and almost all of that was the Arizona Cardinals and Patriots. For Arizona, it was cornerback Richard Marshall playing safety. The Chicago Bears also used the scheme against the Carolina Panthers eight times, with Charles Tillman, D.J. Moore, Tim Jennings and Zack Bowman joining safety Brandon Meriweather.
If the Cowboys used four cornerbacks in their base package, it would be unique. If they used it as a sub package, it would still be rare, and one would wonder how they would specifically be aligned.
Ryan, who has used looks with no down linemen, has never been conventional. Think the quirky coordinator wouldn't embrace the opportunity to use a quirky base look? Think having four corners on the field wouldn't make life a little harder on a passing offense? The Cowboys may find out.
"All those players, we'd like to use them interchangeably and be versatile," Henderson said. "And the offense can't predict what they get. We'd like to create a certain level of uncertainty week to week as far as how are they're going to match us up this week, how are they going to attack us this week. So it's not always us waiting for them. We also get a little say in how we match up with them."
By Ian Rapoport
NFL.com and NFL Network
IRVING, Texas -- The focus of the Mike Jenkins saga has exclusively been off the field.
The Dallas Cowboys' disgruntled cornerback is skipping organized team activities, asking for a trade and trying to find a new home. Though teams such as the Indianapolis Colts have expressed interest, Cowboys sources have privately echoed what coach Jason Garrett said publicly last week: "We're not gonna trade him."
The murky situation could linger until training camp and beyond. But let's turn our attention on the field. Let's, for a moment, take the Cowboys at their word. Let's assume there is no offer that makes their eyes pop, no deal where they could recoup significant value. If that's the case, Dallas has a contingency plan for the secondary that involves putting four cornerbacks on the field on a regular basis, including Jenkins.
While Jenkins is frustrated that the Cowboys effectively replaced him this offseason, members of Dallas' coaching staff view it differently. They believe they can put big-ticket free agent Brandon Carr, No. 6 overall pick Morris Claiborne, slot corner Orlando Scandrick and Jenkins on the field together. While a nickel look featuring four corners would be considered a departure from normalcy, it is an adjustment to a game already tilted toward the pass.
"This league has become a passing league," Cowboys defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson said. "Look at what the quarterbacks are doing and how the game is kind of evolving a little bit, how they protect the quarterbacks, and rightfully so. The more cover guys you have, the better off you'll be on defense. So any time we can put cover guys on the field in a pass situation and let those guys match up, I think it helps our defense. We'll look to do that some if the opportunity presents itself."
Owner Jerry Jones first mentioned the suggestion a few weeks ago, and it has merit. It also explains why Jones said Jenkins has "a very critical role in what we want to do defensively."
The Cowboys, who improved from the 31st-ranked scoring defense in 2010 to No. 16 in 2011 under new coordinator Rob Ryan, hope to take the next step in 2012. They envision a defense where stellar coverage leads to more sacks, more takeaways, fewer third-down conversions and more wins.
The Cowboys have tried to make clear their belief that pressure hasn't been the problem. They think they have enough to get after the quarterback, with DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer and others. Thanks to injuries and ineffectiveness, they simply haven't covered well enough. The emphasis on improving this area was evident in free agency, when they grabbed Carr from the Kansas City Chiefs, and during the draft, when they traded up for Claiborne's services. It sets up for a high-priced group of defensive backs that, according to Jones, "can go get the football when it's not thrown perfect."
This year, there will be times when it's four corners and safety Gerald Sensabaugh trying to make it happen.
"I don't know what they have planned," Scandrick said. "I feel like the best players are going to play, regardless of ... who you are."
That's the idea.
Though it's not a perfect solution.
Playing four corners and leaving out one physical safety (likely free agent Brodney Poole) creates a void in run stuffing and puts more pressure on a wanting linebacker group. If opponents feature a burly tight end, more than one safety may be needed.
But with 24 quarterbacks averaging 30 or more attempts per game last season, passing is the norm. And it's not like they'd be the first team to use an unconventional look as their main defense.
Last year, before they played the Jets, the New England Patriots inserted cornerback Sterling Moore into the starting lineup as a "safety" and simply instructed him to cover. Later, it was former Pro Bowl corner Devin McCourty at safety.
According to data compiled by the analytical website ProFootballFocus.com, teams used four cornerbacks for 1,627 snaps last year, a small number that was mostly limited to dime packages. Of that number, the look was used in nickel packages -- as the Cowboys would -- 365 times, and almost all of that was the Arizona Cardinals and Patriots. For Arizona, it was cornerback Richard Marshall playing safety. The Chicago Bears also used the scheme against the Carolina Panthers eight times, with Charles Tillman, D.J. Moore, Tim Jennings and Zack Bowman joining safety Brandon Meriweather.
If the Cowboys used four cornerbacks in their base package, it would be unique. If they used it as a sub package, it would still be rare, and one would wonder how they would specifically be aligned.
Ryan, who has used looks with no down linemen, has never been conventional. Think the quirky coordinator wouldn't embrace the opportunity to use a quirky base look? Think having four corners on the field wouldn't make life a little harder on a passing offense? The Cowboys may find out.
"All those players, we'd like to use them interchangeably and be versatile," Henderson said. "And the offense can't predict what they get. We'd like to create a certain level of uncertainty week to week as far as how are they're going to match us up this week, how are they going to attack us this week. So it's not always us waiting for them. We also get a little say in how we match up with them."
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[h=2]Watkins: Why the Cowboys won't trade Mike Jenkins[/h]
By Calvin Watkins
The Indianapolis Colts are interested in cornerback Mike Jenkins. I heard the Detroit Lions are, too. But there are other teams that want nothing to do with him.
Reality set in for me Friday when I was told, again, the Dallas Cowboys are not interested in trading Jenkins.
There are several reasons why. Let's explore.
1. Injuries. Jenkins battled through shoulder, neck and knee issues last season and still tied for the team lead with 10 pass breakups. In some ways, Jenkins was the Cowboys' best corner last season given how badly Terence Newman played down the stretch and Orlando Scandrick's own inconsistencies. But the Cowboys played five cornerbacks last season. The names? Jenkins, Newman, Scandrick, Alan Ball and Frank Walker. Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick -- the top corners on the team -- missed a total of nine games due to injuries last season. You can never have enough cornerbacks on your team considering how fragile the position can be. Morris Claiborne, Dallas' first-round pick, hasn't practiced yet with his new team while he recovers from wrist surgery. Scandrick battled ankle problems last season. You need depth on your team, and keeping Jenkins adds that.
2. Jenkins was good. He did make the Pro Bowl in 2009 as an injury replacement, so the Cowboys know he can play at a high level. His inconsistencies bother them, but Jenkins is good in man and zone coverage. He's got the speed to run with speedy receivers and his size is good enough to take on taller receivers, too. The issue Jenkins faces is not being a physical corner. Jenkins isn't afraid to mix it up with receivers and tight ends in tight spaces, but he doesn't do it as much as he used to. Some NFL teams wish he would do it more. The question you have to ask yourself is, is Jenkins better than Scandrick?
3. The Cowboys' trade needs. A front office source said the Cowboys want something significant for Jenkins if they deal him. What does significant mean? A fourth-round pick? Fifth round? Seventh round? It's doubtful the Cowboys are getting a first- or second-round selection for Jenkins. Not because Jenkins isn't worth it, but because he's in the final year of his contract and he's coming off shoulder surgery. The Cowboys don't have much leverage. If you just want to give him away, you can always get a seventh rounder for him. But keeping Jenkins could also mean gaining an compenstatory pick in next year's NFL draft.
By Calvin Watkins
The Indianapolis Colts are interested in cornerback Mike Jenkins. I heard the Detroit Lions are, too. But there are other teams that want nothing to do with him.
Reality set in for me Friday when I was told, again, the Dallas Cowboys are not interested in trading Jenkins.
There are several reasons why. Let's explore.
1. Injuries. Jenkins battled through shoulder, neck and knee issues last season and still tied for the team lead with 10 pass breakups. In some ways, Jenkins was the Cowboys' best corner last season given how badly Terence Newman played down the stretch and Orlando Scandrick's own inconsistencies. But the Cowboys played five cornerbacks last season. The names? Jenkins, Newman, Scandrick, Alan Ball and Frank Walker. Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick -- the top corners on the team -- missed a total of nine games due to injuries last season. You can never have enough cornerbacks on your team considering how fragile the position can be. Morris Claiborne, Dallas' first-round pick, hasn't practiced yet with his new team while he recovers from wrist surgery. Scandrick battled ankle problems last season. You need depth on your team, and keeping Jenkins adds that.
2. Jenkins was good. He did make the Pro Bowl in 2009 as an injury replacement, so the Cowboys know he can play at a high level. His inconsistencies bother them, but Jenkins is good in man and zone coverage. He's got the speed to run with speedy receivers and his size is good enough to take on taller receivers, too. The issue Jenkins faces is not being a physical corner. Jenkins isn't afraid to mix it up with receivers and tight ends in tight spaces, but he doesn't do it as much as he used to. Some NFL teams wish he would do it more. The question you have to ask yourself is, is Jenkins better than Scandrick?
3. The Cowboys' trade needs. A front office source said the Cowboys want something significant for Jenkins if they deal him. What does significant mean? A fourth-round pick? Fifth round? Seventh round? It's doubtful the Cowboys are getting a first- or second-round selection for Jenkins. Not because Jenkins isn't worth it, but because he's in the final year of his contract and he's coming off shoulder surgery. The Cowboys don't have much leverage. If you just want to give him away, you can always get a seventh rounder for him. But keeping Jenkins could also mean gaining an compenstatory pick in next year's NFL draft.
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Nope. I was being facetious
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It was tongue in cheek, you are stupid for turning it into an argument.
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Save the drama for the llama
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If you could get a 3rd or 4th or a player (Ijalana or Hughes), take it and move on. If he stays, he is going to be unhappy and won't help the locker room. I don't think the team is truly a Super Bowl contender yet anyway. He isn't likely going to get much PT to showcase himself so he won't get a mega deal that would warrant a high draft pick.
More than likely, if they don't trade him, he goes somewhere on a 1 year "show me" deal then cashes in.
More than likely, if they don't trade him, he goes somewhere on a 1 year "show me" deal then cashes in.
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If he stays here, its on a "1yr show me" deal just same, is it not?
Why would he want to intentionally tank a season and hurt his value for next yr, when if he stays here and plays his ass off (even if its as a reserve) he'll cash in bigtime next year.
There's no reason to trade for a 3rd or 4th unless the team feels thats all he is worth. If they feel he is worth more than that, then trading him just for the sake of trading him is stupid.
We've been handcuffed by poor secondary play for a couple of seasons, why trade away a guy at a position of strength (for once) for less than what you deem as fair value?
If he plays out this yr and leaves, we're likely to get a comp pic of a 3rd or 4th rounder anyway. I'd rather have him here for the year as insurance and quality depth, then get the comp pick down the road, then get the same pick next yr and not have his service.
As for Jerry Hughes and Ben Ijalena. Please.
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Cowboys fans continue to overrate Jenkins. He had 1 year where he was a Pro Bowl alternate who made the game because of injury.
I don't think he's all that great and I'm saying a 3rd or 4th is all I really think he's worth at this point. In fact, Dallas would probably be lucky to get that for him.
This won't be a "show me" year because I doubt the guy starts and probably even really plays all that much.
So, he plays out this season in Dallas as the #4, goes to the FA market and signs a 1 year "show me" deal before signing a longer term deal. Dallas gets nothing in the way of a comp pick in that scenario.
Why are you so against a guy like Ijalana? Yeah, a young guard who can play tackle. Would hate to add that to the team at the expense of a pissed off, injury prone 4th corner who isn't in the team's long term plans.
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Only one 3rd round compensatory pick was awarded last year.
It'd take Jenkins signing a hell of a contract, getting a lot of playing time(not getting hurt every 12 snaps), and we'd gave to make a very small splash in free agency.
Rather than turn a 1st rounder who I didn't think sucks ass into like a 5th I'd rather just play this season out with these 4 guys and see what happens. Carr and claireborne aren't guaranteed to stat healthy anyway. And if this is Ryans philosophy then let's not take a piece away.
It'd take Jenkins signing a hell of a contract, getting a lot of playing time(not getting hurt every 12 snaps), and we'd gave to make a very small splash in free agency.
Rather than turn a 1st rounder who I didn't think sucks ass into like a 5th I'd rather just play this season out with these 4 guys and see what happens. Carr and claireborne aren't guaranteed to stat healthy anyway. And if this is Ryans philosophy then let's not take a piece away.
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He was pretty good last yr, even while playing hurt. And he was damn good in 2009. He made the probowl as an alternate, but he should have been voted in anyway. And apprently other teams DO want the guy, which is ideal if they want to trade him. let other teams drive up his price tag via demand.
Fine, if they believe he's only worth that and thats the offer, then trade him. But I doubt they feel that way.
First, when was the last time we didnt have any injuries? Second, 3rd and 4th CB's play a ton now.
Pretty sure this isnt true. Its based on a formula net gain vs net loss of true free agents.
Because Jenkins is a far better player than he is.
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It is based upon the following
So, if he signs a 1 year, low dollar deal.....which let's be honest, is very likely, he isn't going to garner a high pick.
As MB4 noted, the highest last year was a 3rd, so a 3rd is going to be as good as you get for a comp pick.
Right at this very moment? Sure. I just don't see this huge upside from Jenkins. We've seen what he is. So have the Cowboys. They were so impressed they moved up to draft his replacement.
Ijalana is a young guy who can play 3 positions on the OL with a ton of upside who just happens to fill a huge position of need on the team. Plus he's on his rookie deal for a few more years.
I'd move the guy who is on his way out for the young, long term piece if I had a chance.
Unfortunately, they probably hold on to him, he walks and they end up getting nothing for him. That's probably better than a 5-7th.
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Net gain vs net loss is part of the equation.
And you dont know that he'd only get a 1yr deal. He's a young player who's been to the probowl and still has a great deal of upside, that plays a position of great demand. If he's healthy, its almost a certainty he'd get a multi yr deal on the open market because there will be a great deal of interest in him to drive up the price. He can easily start for alot of teams.
Because they probably felt like paying 50+ mils to keep 2 CB's was a bit extreme and had a chance to get a higher rated player (and healthy) for alot less money.
Then why would a dreadful team thats full of holes like Indy trade him? Their OL is terrible. if he's any good, they have zero incentive to move him.
Doubt he's a long term answer to anything. Looks like a JAG to me, and trading him for a probowl calibar CB who's still young with upside is stupid.
He may end up playing quite a bit this year, you have no idea.
I'm all for trading Jenkins if it lands a premium pick or a sure fire starter at a position of need. You havent thrown that scenario out there however.
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I doubt they do trade him. He isn't even being rumored. I'm just saying I'd jump if offered.
OK, just admit you're pulling this out of your ass. When, exactly, have you seen enough of him to determine he's a JAG? Unless you are a Villanova season ticket holder, you can just go ahead and back out of this one.
As far as Jenkins being a young, Pro Bowl caliber CB with upside.....I'd say the team's actions speak for themselves. He's a dead man walking. He either gets moved or he plays out the string with Dallas and he moves on.
Although I applaud them for being proactive about filling a position of need, they are in a no win situation with Jenkins this year. They will never get what they deem fair value and they won't really get fair value out of Jenkins playing unless someone gets hurts.
Here is where your Cowboys homerism is blinding you. Do you think a team would really trade a premium pick for Jenkins in any scenario? I'm not sure they would much less when he has been injury prone and is in the last year of his deal. I think Dallas fans are seriously overrating the guy.
He may play a lot this year. Very true. However, right now he looks to be the 4th corner and, barring injury or Claiborne being a bust, I doubt he plays all that much.
As far as a sure fire starter, I'd take Ijalana over basically anyone Dallas has competing on the inside right now. Livings is a better player, but he is older with less upside. I like Ijalana way, way better than Nagy, Costa, Kowalski, Bernadeau, Arkin or any of the other scrubs Dallas is trotting out there.