Breer: Sense of entitlement changes which players Cowboys pursue

[ZeroClub]

I do think it is possible that the team (perhaps Garrett) is now placing more emphasis on acquiring non-knuckle heads. Maybe it will pay off. If the idea is to build a roster that more closely resembles the Patriots' ... that may not be a bad thing.

Honestly, I did like the things that Garrett said during this past draft. To me, his stated approach reminded me some of Parcells.

My main objection to Breer's article is that Breer is contends that the Cowboys changed to this philosophy five years ago. I'd argue that it is a much more recent phenomenon.

I can see some reason for guarded optimism regarding the franchise becoming more discerning in which sort of players it does and does not pick up.

 

[Jon88]

I do think it is possible that the team (perhaps Garrett) is now placing more emphasis on acquiring non-knuckle heads. Maybe it will pay off. If the idea is to build a roster that more closely resembles the Patriots' ... that may not be a bad thing.

Honestly, I did like the things that Garrett said during this past draft. To me, his stated approach reminded me some of Parcells.

My main objection to Breer's article is that Breer is contends that the Cowboys changed to this philosophy five years ago. I'd argue that it is a much more recent phenomenon.

I can see some reason for guarded optimism regarding the franchise becoming more discerning in which sort of players it does and does not pick up.

It's definitely not been five years. Try two years.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Cowboys need to keep bringing in guys like Demarco Murray, Tyron Smith and Sean Lee. They can handle the big stage and it doesn’t go to their head.

 

[Midswat]

5 years. 2 years.

Who have been the uber talened players we've had access to, that we've passed on for more safe, blue collar type guys instead?

Last time we were in that position that I can think of, we traded up for Dez Bryant. A top 10 talent sliding because of character concerns.

 

[ZeroClub]

5 years. 2 years.

Who have been the uber talened players we've had access to, that we've passed on for more safe, blue collar type guys instead?

Last time we were in that position that I can think of, we traded up for Dez Bryant. A top 10 talent sliding because of character concerns.

You are exactly right. If a change has occurred, it'd have begun no earlier than the 2011 draft.

 

[junk]

I think the screwed up front office structure in Dallas certainly leads to some of that entitlement. Play well, get overpaid. Dallas has been pretty bad at evaluating talent so they tend to overrate their own.

I do think getting rid of James and Newman will help. I never cared much for their special brand of "leadership".

 

[lons]

If Dallas was still in that mode, no way we cut all those "Pro Bowl" lineman last year.

I've liked what I've seen from our drafts the past few years.

And Dez with Character issues. Please. Show me a 22 year old that was given whatever amount of millions he did and all they did was buy to much bling or walk with saggy pants (like pretty much every other NFL player or guy on the street from his back ground) and I'll show you a pretty alright kinda kid.

Look at Blackmon. Warren Moon said he was Dez with a brain. Well I guy Warren likes boozers with DUI's and twice the legal limit of what is legal to be behind the wheel. I could go on. Dez improved by almost double last year. I would expect he do the same this year in year 3 like most Wide Outs.

 

[Theebs]

Warren moon is a boozer with wife beating issues so pay no attention to him.

Btw he is in the hall of fame for what reason exactly? Vinny testaverde has similar numbers to him.

 

[Jon88]

Warren moon is a boozer with wife beating issues so pay no attention to him.

Btw he is in the hall of fame for what reason exactly? Vinny testaverde has similar numbers to him.

I think you know the answer to that.

 

[Theebs]

I think the screwed up front office structure in Dallas certainly leads to some of that entitlement. Play well, get overpaid. Dallas has been pretty bad at evaluating talent so they tend to overrate their own.

I do think getting rid of James and Newman will help. I never cared much for their special brand of "leadership".

It starts with Jerry and Stephen. Always has.

Look at the things they say when they draft or sign a player, they go up for claibourne and they can't stop congratulating themselves and say he is like Deion sanders......why would u put that kind of label on a young player?

It's stupid.

Hard knocks, making excuses for Owens and pacman, trading too much and then giving a big contract to Roy williams, having training camp in California 1500 miles away from the teams fan base so that they can sell merchandise and keep ahold of the NFL less Los Angeles area......

By the way when we voted for the stadium part of it was that they were going to build facilities and fields in order to have camp in Arlington. Oh well I guess.

So when Stephen sits there and says they are looking for the rkg I find it laughable. Jerry and Stephen were already taught this method by parcells and it was working, it required patience and the jones's do not have any. So they brought in a head coach from Texas w they knew the locals would eat up and they spat on parcells way of doing things. Stephen, Jerry and wade repeatedly took shots at the methods of parcells especially in 07. They just couldn't pat themselves on the back enough.

Now a few years later they are telling us this is the way to go? Jerry and stephen can fuck off quite honestly. They are like drunks who get sober and one week into it they are preaching to everyone else about having a drink.

If they don't want the cowboys to be so high profile they could make it that way by toning everything down a little. But they don't want that because even if we are bad if there is some sort of draw the team will still make lots of money.

It's not hard to be low key, but it takes work to always be talked about and that is what the jones family is best at.

 

[Jon88]

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Midswat]

Theebs bringin' the thunder!

 

[ZeroClub]

It starts with Jerry and Stephen. Always has.

Look at the things they say when they draft or sign a player, they go up for claibourne and they can't stop congratulating themselves and say he is like Deion sanders......why would u put that kind of label on a young player?

It's stupid.

Hard knocks, making excuses for Owens and pacman, trading too much and then giving a big contract to Roy williams, having training camp in California 1500 miles away from the teams fan base so that they can sell merchandise and keep ahold of the NFL less Los Angeles area......

By the way when we voted for the stadium part of it was that they were going to build facilities and fields in order to have camp in Arlington. Oh well I guess.

So when Stephen sits there and says they are looking for the rkg I find it laughable. Jerry and Stephen were already taught this method by parcells and it was working, it required patience and the jones's do not have any. So they brought in a head coach from Texas w they knew the locals would eat up and they spat on parcells way of doing things. Stephen, Jerry and wade repeatedly took shots at the methods of parcells especially in 07. They just couldn't pat themselves on the back enough.

Now a few years later they are telling us this is the way to go? Jerry and stephen can fuck off quite honestly. They are like drunks who get sober and one week into it they are preaching to everyone else about having a drink.

If they don't want the cowboys to be so high profile they could make it that way by toning everything down a little. But they don't want that because even if we are bad if there is some sort of draw the team will still make lots of money.

It's not hard to be low key, but it takes work to always be talked about and that is what the jones family is best at.

I think your appraisal is well stated and on the mark as to what has happened.

But does anyone have the sense that things may have changed a bit recently?

To me, it is entirely possible that Garrett is, in fact, preaching for the rkg and that the organization is, in fact, listening.

If you look at the past two drafts, they weren't so crazy. Heck, in Smith they picked a level-headed OT in the first round. That's not Jerry-like. And even if they traded up to draft "a WOW player" this past draft, they traded up for a rkg "WOW player."

Clearly the Cowboys as a franchise have underachieved over the past many years. That's on Jerry. But as Jerry gets older and has less energy for day to day operations, the front office dynamic likely has changed some.

I'm not a fan of Garrett in most ways and I get disgusted by how he calls a game, his weaknesses in time management, etc. But just because he has weaknesses in these major areas doesn't preclude him from having other strengths. I think there is a decent chance that he'll assemble a quality team of the rkgs ... and in this way will improve the team.

I'm more concerned about whether Garrett can develop into a decent game day coach. He's clearly not there yet.

 

[Theebs]

I agree with zc.

I think Garrett is enforcing this currently and the staff that is here also probably had a big say in it.

My problem lies with why did it stop after it started in 03? They were taught how to do this in 03.

The jones's should not be talking about entitlement to anyone. They should be quiet and invisible. If this is garrett's thing then let him preach it and make sure everyone knows he is in charge of the supposed change.

Those two never did anything but restate what parcells said duruing his time here and they never stated it first. That was because parcells had control and that is why guys like Ekuban, Bryant, Galloway, Matt Lehr etc found themselves on different teams very shortly.

If it's garret's show let him run it. No need to hear from the jones's.

I just get the feeling that anytime he feels like it Jerry will do or say whatever he wants and there isn't the respect there from Jerry. So I hate this rkg entitlement stuff, if and when jerry wants to sign questionable guy I get the sense he will and no one will stop him. That is why Garrett has me worried.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

If there's less entitlement, I think it's due more to Stephen taking over more, and the simple fact that we've gone 6-10 and 8-8 the last two years. People aren't going to be blowing sunshine up your ass when you're coming off two consecutive losing seasons vs two out of three years of winning the highest-profile division in the NFL.

But just watch, if we get off to a good start this year, ESPN and NFLN will be talking us up as much as ever. And that's out of the team's hands.

And theebs, you've posted yourself vids of Ciskowski talking about this rkg stuff back in 2008 or whenever it was, years ago. I don't think it's new.

I do agree that Jerry can and will jump up whenever he wants. And I don't blame Garrett for that -- Jerry is the boss. The coach can only do what Jerry allows him to. Problem is that Jerry was frozen out by Jerry and he hated that. Every local media guy has said that.

 

[ZeroClub]

Something I think about -- Jerry is about to turn 70. People change as they age. What chafed Jerry several years ago (e.g., sharing control of day-to-day operations) may not be a problem to him today.

Sure, Jerry is clearly still in the room and clearly has the final say so, but I do think Jerry is more likely to agree with his inner circle today than he was before. And in that way, I think Garrett has a whole lot of say in what happens now. More than Gailey, Campo, or Phillips did.

If Jerry wasn't drinking it, it doesn't matter what Ciskowski was pouring back in 2008. What matters now is what Jerry is drinking now. I think Jerry is drinking the Garrett Kool-Aid -- which contains high amounts of rkg. Again, the past two drafts do seem kind of different in that way. I shook my head when the franchise went after Nnamdi Asomugha, but regardless as to whether he would have been a good acquisition, it is clear that Asomugha is an rkg.

 

[ZeroClub]

I agree with zc.

I think Garrett is enforcing this currently and the staff that is here also probably had a big say in it.

My problem lies with why did it stop after it started in 03? They were taught how to do this in 03.

The jones's should not be talking about entitlement to anyone. They should be quiet and invisible. If this is garrett's thing then let him preach it and make sure everyone knows he is in charge of the supposed change.

Those two never did anything but restate what parcells said duruing his time here and they never stated it first. That was because parcells had control and that is why guys like Ekuban, Bryant, Galloway, Matt Lehr etc found themselves on different teams very shortly.

If it's garret's show let him run it. No need to hear from the jones's.

I just get the feeling that anytime he feels like it Jerry will do or say whatever he wants and there isn't the respect there from Jerry. So I hate this rkg entitlement stuff, if and when jerry wants to sign questionable guy I get the sense he will and no one will stop him. That is why Garrett has me worried.

I agree about 2003. The T.O. signing was problematic too.

Jerry has shown much poor judgement over the years. To the extent that Jerry is now more willing to defer to others, the team is probably better off.

He'll still run his mouth from time to time. Given how difficult he is to understand now, though, I'm not sure it has the impact that it used to.

 

[Jon88]

I agree about 2003. The T.O. signing was problematic too.

Jerry has shown much poor judgement over the years. To the extent that Jerry is now more willing to defer to others, the team is probably better off.

He'll still run his mouth from time to time. Given how difficult he is to understand now, though, I'm not sure it has the impact that it used to.

I was very disappionted by the TO signing. He disgraced the the franchise when he was with the 49ers and Eagles. Plus he was a headcase drama queen. He should never have been considered, IMO.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Not only did we go after a cb who tried to kill people, we went after a mediocre cb who tried to kill people. And it wasn't like they took a gamble on a lost kid. They had to jump through hoops for him. They had to haggle with the titans, they had to beg goodell to reinstate him. They had to hire babysitters just so he didn't kill anyone. And he wasn't even good. They saw his name in the headlines and thought he was a star.

You know who's not a star? Jonathan joeseph. If we dumped Newman for joeseph the giants don't win the SB and maaaaybe we win a playoff game?

 

[Jon88]

I always thought it was wierd that his twin brother was a 4th rounder and he was a 7th rounder.

They're supposed to be identical.