Bales: Cowboys need to hit on late round draft picks

[carphalen5150]

I agree it doesnt look promising for him now.

But I dont agree they had no idea who he was or what he had done. Alot of people knew who he was and had him graded as a solid middle round prospect. He just hasnt adapted well at all and isnt working out. Its unfortunate, but it happens.

If they knew who he was and still drafted him then that is worse. I am not killing Jerry for this, but I just wish we'd go safer. A guy like Pinkston was there, who was able to start every game as a rookie. I'd like to see us go with guys like this who we know come from big conferences and have faced competition in the trenches that are comparable to the NFL. The strength and conditioning programs are way ahead as well.

 

[Midswat]

I've read you say it.

I guess thats all we need to know.

http://www.dallascowboysuniverse.co...than-Wade-Phillips&highlight=Jason+Wade+draft

"The facts are that we have the most continuity on the offensive side of the ball that I can remember, except maybe back when we had Ernie Zampese," Jones said Sunday in Oxnard. "You’ve got to realize that Jason has been the key guy with Romo for five years. The facts are that Jason, for the last five years, has been very influential with how we drafted and how we picked up offensive football players. Very influential for five years. Because Wade was a real delegator. So he had a lot of input in where we are. I like that. That’s a big plus for us.”

 

[cmd34(work)]

Its another of those hindsight things though IMO. There were quite a few of the draft gurus who loved this guy as a middle round pick.

simply not true.. but carry on the defend at all costs mantra

 

[dbair1967]

simply not true.. but carry on the defend at all costs mantra

Remember when you spouted off about this same type of thing with Wilbur and got owned?

Its about to happen again. Maybe you will learn your lesson. (eventually)

 

[dbair1967]

http://www.dallascowboysuniverse.co...than-Wade-Phillips&highlight=Jason+Wade+draft

"The facts are that we have the most continuity on the offensive side of the ball that I can remember, except maybe back when we had Ernie Zampese," Jones said Sunday in Oxnard. "You’ve got to realize that Jason has been the key guy with Romo for five years. The facts are that Jason, for the last five years, has been very influential with how we drafted and how we picked up offensive football players. Very influential for five years. Because Wade was a real delegator. So he had a lot of input in where we are. I like that. That’s a big plus for us.”

Duly noted.

 

[cmd34(work)]

Remember when you spouted off about this same type of thing with Wilbur and got owned?

Its about to happen again. Maybe you will learn your lesson. (eventually)

you cited one whole draft site that liked him. Nobody got owned mouthpiece.

by the way, it's the same site who is now saying Geno Smith is the 9th best QB in this draft, even though everyone else has him #1. Goes to show all of these "draft guru's" have different opinions and they are wrong all of the time. The only person more wrong is you and your constant mindless defending of all things Cowboys.

Here's how you tell a guy was overdrafted. You put him on the field and he can not play. Wilber is the very definition of a tweener and did not have the skillset to be drafted as high as we drafted him. Would someone else have drafted him in the 4th? Very possible. Still doesn't mean he wasn't overdrafted.

Tell me again about Robert Brewster and the entire 2009 draft... and we'll see who got owned.

 

[dbair1967]

you cited one whole draft site that liked him. Nobody got owned mouthpiece.

I didn't cite anything, somebody else did after I said the guy had a mid rd grade by virtually every draft guide I saw.

Just as fyi though I do keep every draft mag/guide I buy, so I can easily check on Wilbur and Arkin (or anyone else)

by the way, it's the same site who is now saying Geno Smith is the 9th best QB in this draft, even though everyone else has him #1. Goes to show all of these "draft guru's" have different opinions and they are wrong all of the time. The only person more wrong is you and your constant mindless defending of all things Cowboys.

Not really sure how pointing out the obvious (that the guy had a mid rd grade) is mindless defending of anything, it only shows you being wrong.

Here's how you tell a guy was overdrafted. You put him on the field and he can not play. Wilber is the very definition of a tweener and did not have the skillset to be drafted as high as we drafted him. Would someone else have drafted him in the 4th? Very possible. Still doesn't mean he wasn't overdrafted.

Well duh genius. And alot that is hindsight. Otherwise Tony Romo wouldn't be undrafted and guys like the Tim Couch's of the world be be late rd picks or go undrafted themselves.

Tell me again about Robert Brewster and the entire 2009 draft... and we'll see who got owned.

What do you want me to say? The draft was a monumental flop. But not every player was "overdrafted" at the time they were picked.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you cited one whole draft site that liked him. Nobody got owned mouthpiece.

by the way, it's the same site who is now saying Geno Smith is the 9th best QB in this draft, even though everyone else has him #1. Goes to show all of these "draft guru's" have different opinions and they are wrong all of the time. The only person more wrong is you and your constant mindless defending of all things Cowboys.

Here's how you tell a guy was overdrafted. You put him on the field and he can not play. Wilber is the very definition of a tweener and did not have the skillset to be drafted as high as we drafted him. Would someone else have drafted him in the 4th? Very possible. Still doesn't mean he wasn't overdrafted.

Tell me again about Robert Brewster and the entire 2009 draft... and we'll see who got owned.

It's all about what you're expecting to get out of the round you select a player in.

If all Wilber ends up doing is becoming a nice, little cog on your team, or someone who can come off the bench and give you quality snaps; then I think you did alright, considering that he was taken in the 4th round.

There's nothing wrong with building your team from the inside out, so to speak. I don't know if that was the plan last year, or not, but still.

 

[cmd34(work)]

I am officially quitting from arguing with dbair, it's a complete waste of time, but I will say this. I have no idea how any "fan" of this team has seen the recent trend of blown 4th and 5th round picks, and still defends this Front Office. Wilber was way over his head last year and the coaches, who usually sunshine pump everyone, were critical of him.

New coaches, new scheme so hopefully he steps it up this year but right now, he very much looks like a blown pick just like AOA, Josh Thomas, Steven McGee, Robert Brewster, Brandon Williams, Jason Williams, etc.

 

[superpunk]

Here's how you tell a guy was overdrafted. You put him on the field and he can not play.

That's hindsight though.

Obviously in hindsight, Robert Gallery was overdrafted. But at the time, noone would argue that the Raiders overdrafted Gallery, they took him exactly where he was expected to go. I think that's dbair's point. These guys may not work out, but it's not like they're a reach where we took someone a few rounds before he was expected to go, like the Dolphins did with Pat White a while back iirc.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've noticed lately that cmd doesn't know how to use the English language.

What the deal is?

 

[cmd34(work)]

but it's not like they're a reach where we took someone a few rounds before he was expected to go, like the Dolphins did with Pat White a while back iirc.

while that could be said about Wilber, we have seriously overdrafted some players recently. McGee, Robert Brewster, Matt Johnson all went much higher than almost everyone predicted and in the end, proved they were overdrafted (Matt Johnson pending).

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Yeah, and you're increasing the risk factor exponentially when you're taking a small school prospect who also needs to change positions. Believe he was a T in college. Or am I confusing him with Brewster?

People are saying this is a make or break year for him, but honestly, if he couldn't take snaps with all our line woes last year, then he's got no hope.

AOA anyone? We take a guy from a small school that was a CB, and try to convert him to a FS, while passing up on a guy that was already a FS in Kam Chancellor, who was drafted in the 5th round, and is a Pro Bowler.

 

[dbair1967]

I am officially quitting from arguing with dbair, it's a complete waste of time, but I will say this. I have no idea how any "fan" of this team has seen the recent trend of blown 4th and 5th round picks, and still defends this Front Office. Wilber was way over his head last year and the coaches, who usually sunshine pump everyone, were critical of him.

New coaches, new scheme so hopefully he steps it up this year but right now, he very much looks like a blown pick just like AOA, Josh Thomas, Steven McGee, Robert Brewster, Brandon Williams, Jason Williams, etc.

You should quit arguing about this because in this case, you were wrong. Period.

I have no problem with saying after the fact that Draft Pick A or B ended up being awful, but if you look at where guys are rated before the draft, and then they are drafted in that general area they are not "overdrafted"

The comment you made about "overdrafting" was clearly a hingsight is 20/20 take.

 

[dbair1967]

while that could be said about Wilber, we have seriously overdrafted some players recently. McGee, Robert Brewster, Matt Johnson all went much higher than almost everyone predicted and in the end, proved they were overdrafted (Matt Johnson pending).

Pretty sure McGee had a mid round grade, but am happy to go back and look that up for you.

Brewster was in Gooselin's top-100 the day before the draft. I know what your take on this is, and I don't agree with it. To suggest that Gosselin (who for 15-20 years or whatever its been was tops in top-100 accuracy) put a guy in the top-100 solely because the Cowboys rated him there and tipped him off (a team he annually questions decision making on) is ludicrous IMO.