Bales: Cowboys need to hit on late round draft picks

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By Jonathan Bales | Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013

Whether or not the Cowboys are currently capable of making a postseason run, the team is filled with really talented players. From Dez Bryant to Sean Lee to Morris Claiborne, there are a number of young building blocks on the roster. They might not have the most gifted group of players in the league, but we all remember the squads from the early parts of the millennium; this team is a far cry from your Quincy Carter-led Cowboys.

The problem is that the roster is top-heavy, composed of a bunch of Pro Bowl-caliber players and not enough quality depth. Teams like the Green Bay Packers thrive by finding eventual starters in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds, while the ‘Boys have struggled mightily when trying to fill out their roster in the middle rounds.

Since 2009, the Cowboys’ top pick after the second round has undoubtedly been DeMarco Murray. But after him, it gets dicey. The team’s next-best mid or late-round pick over that time has probably been Victor Butler—a player who really never got a chance to shine in Dallas.

And how about the rest of that 2009 class? Twelve picks, none of whom are still on the roster. Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, Mike Mickens, Stephen Hodge. Yikes.

To determine just how poor the Cowboys have been with their recent mid and late-round picks, I graded every selection since Jerry Jones took over in 1989 using approximate value per season—a good measure of total production and worth. With that metric, tight end Jason Witten has been the best selection after the second round, by far, followed by linebacker Dexter Coakley and offensive tackle Erik Williams.

Of the 159 post-second round picks the Cowboys made between 1989 and 2011, 31 have recorded an approximate value per season of at least 3.0. That’s a “hit rate” of 19.5 percent—or about one pick out of every five. By the way, the hit rate in the third and fourth rounds—the area where the Cowboys really need to improve their drafting to find eventual starters—has been 33.9 percent.

Over the past four drafts, however, it’s been a different story. Since 2009, there have been 29 picks after the second round, but just one player—Murray—has been even remotely successful. That’s a hit rate of 3.4 percent (and 9.1 percent in the third and fourth rounds alone).

If you want to understand why the Cowboys have failed to cash in on the immense talent at the top of their roster, look no farther than rounds three through seven of recent drafts. Unless this alarming trend comes to a halt, the ‘Boys will continue to underperform.
 
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Those numbers are alarmingly bad. It's early in the Garrett era... typically takes 3 years to accurately judge a draft. But I really really really hope his drafts prove to be better in the long term than do other coaches.

I'm very skepitcal though because he's had a strong voice in the draft since 2007.
 
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We need to carry momentum through a draft. Jerry gets a little full of himself and then he throws picks at guys like Arkin and Johnson because he thinks he nailed earlier picks, so time to be a wildcatter.

Also...generally I am a BPA guy, but the needs of this team are so glaring, we have to address DT and the OL. Even if that means passing on what is considered a better prospect to fill those needs.
 

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It should be pretty easy to hit on late round picks in this draft especially. Doesn't mean the FO is any good, just this draft is fool proof after the 1st round.
 
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Sure, but Jerry likes to show off and pick guys like Johnson and Arkin because that shows he knows all about these small school guys and stuff.
 
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He goes for the small school guys because we hit on some kid from Sonoma State and wherever Erik Allen went to school back in the day. Jerry wants to be the smartest guy in the room.

Plenty of our big program players have flopped as well though, so it's not just the program these kids are coming from.

Jason is partly to blame as well. He's reluctant to give a lot of guys playing time for whatever reason. So they "washout" after X # of years having never really seen the field. Look how long Harris took to get on the field, when Ogletree clearly wasn't doing anything.

And as much as we hear about the team likeing that backup RB's who's name escapese me (not Phillips)... he rarely saw the field while Felix Jones kept taking snaps.
 
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I just look at a guy like Arkin...he came from a small school and really was a need for us. However, we did not do enough homework on him to know that he was not going to be strong enough to play a down his rookie year. That is ridiculous.
 
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I just look at a guy like Arkin...he came from a small school and really was a need for us. However, we did not do enough homework on him to know that he was not going to be strong enough to play a down his rookie year. That is ridiculous.

Yeah, and you're increasing the risk factor exponentially when you're taking a small school prospect who also needs to change positions. Believe he was a T in college. Or am I confusing him with Brewster?

People are saying this is a make or break year for him, but honestly, if he couldn't take snaps with all our line woes last year, then he's got no hope.
 
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I don't want to cut off all small school guys, but we need to take a closer look before we draft them. Skill guys...WRs, RBs, CBs, positions like that I think are easier to translate to the NFL from a small school. Most of that is based on their athleticism. OL and DTs in particular have to have the strength to make that transition. That is why I don't view a guy like Terron Armstead as highly as some do.
 

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I just look at a guy like Arkin...he came from a small school and really was a need for us. However, we did not do enough homework on him to know that he was not going to be strong enough to play a down his rookie year. That is ridiculous.

Its another of those hindsight things though IMO. There were quite a few of the draft gurus who loved this guy as a middle round pick.

I suspect this is the make or break camp for him this year. If he doesnt look any better, he will likely be gone for sure.
 
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Its another of those hindsight things though IMO. There were quite a few of the draft gurus who loved this guy as a middle round pick.

I suspect this is the make or break camp for him this year. If he doesnt look any better, he will likely be gone for sure.

It is not a hindsight thing, I did not like the pick then...mostly because I had no idea who the guys was...and it is apparent they didn't either. I hope he does work out, but I don't have much enthusiasm for that to happen.
 

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It is not a hindsight thing, I did not like the pick then...mostly because I had no idea who the guys was...and it is apparent they didn't either. I hope he does work out, but I don't have much enthusiasm for that to happen.

I agree it doesnt look promising for him now.

But I dont agree they had no idea who he was or what he had done. Alot of people knew who he was and had him graded as a solid middle round prospect. He just hasnt adapted well at all and isnt working out. Its unfortunate, but it happens.
 

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Pretty sure Parcells said something about being careful about taking the trench guys from small schools because usually they would be by far the best lineman on their team, and a lot of times the coaches focused on everyone else who wasn't physically dominant. Something like that.

I do think Armstead might be a little different because I heard he went to UA-bumfrick partly because he insisted on doing his track and field also and they were about the only school who gave him the okay on that. (Or he could be another project who can't play at the next level. :errr)

Also... I think one reason these lower picks maybe don't stick around is that Jerry gives the coaches so much input on these players, and when a new coach comes in the new guy naturally wants to flush out all those replaceable guys and put "his" guys in... Because they don't fit his scheme or he just thinks he's a better talent scout than the last guy. This wouldn't happen so much in a stable organization like Pitt or the Giants where draft pick input isn't passed around in such a haphazard manner.
 

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Pretty sure Parcells said something about being careful about taking the trench guys from small schools because usually they would be by far the best lineman on their team, and a lot of times the coaches focused on everyone else who wasn't physically dominant. Something like that.

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Oh, guess that explains why he hated Larry Allen so much.
 

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Jerry or Jason definitely said that Jason has been the voice in the draft building the offense since he got here.
 
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