Archer: Loud Bears fans could be sign of things to come

[Irving Cowboy]

Loud Bears fans could be sign of things to come
October, 4, 2012
By Todd Archer | ESPNDallas.com

IRVING, Texas -- Wherever the Cowboys travel their following is always there, even in New York, Philadelphia and Washington.

In the 2005 season opener at San Diego, Cowboys’ fans were so loud the Chargers had to use a silent count late in the game.

On Monday, Cowboys Stadium was hardly a home-field advantage. Of the 90,080 on hand, a number of them were Chicago fans and let their presence be known. As one “Let’s go Bears” chant broke out late, linebacker Brian Urlacher was seen mouthing, “Wow.”

“Last time we came down here, there’s nothing like hearing the “Let’s go Bears,” chant early and throughout the game,” Bears coach Lovie Smith said after the game. “I thought our fans were outstanding. The Chicago Bear colors were all around, they really were. I’m glad we are able to give our loyal fans that type of effort.”

Jason Garrett was asked about how loud the Bears fans were on Tuesday.

“Oh, the Bears have a great national following,” Garrett said. “They’ve had it for a long, long time, so that doesn’t surprise us. And certainly the way the game went, we gave them some reasons to get fired up. That’s just the nature of it. The Chicago people love their Bears. They have for a long, long time.”

Another visitor to Cowboys Stadium has a great national following, too. Pittsburgh visits Dec. 13. The last time the Steelers came to the area in 2004, Terrible Towels overran Texas Stadium. Cowboys Stadium could be more of the same.

After a 6-2 record to open the $1.2 billion stadium in 2009, the Cowboys have a 7-10 home record.

 

[ZeroClub]

Another visitor to Cowboys Stadium has a great national following, too. Pittsburgh visits Dec. 13. The last time the Steelers came to the area in 2004, Terrible Towels overran Texas Stadium. Cowboys Stadium could be more of the same.

I was at that game. Steelers fans were as vocal as the Cowboys fans. Didn't feel like a home game really. All in all, it pretty much stunk.

 

[Theebs]

Brad sham, babe laufenberg, todd archer, the ticket, espn 1033 and the fan keep bagging on the fans.

and well deserved, but why doesnt anyone tell the real story?

The real story is that when the tickets went on sale in 09 a lot of people were priced out of renewing there seats at the new stadium. They simply couldnt go from 57 to 99 like I did, or 125 to 350 with a huge psl which is what it costs between the 10's. That is most of the stadium.

So what happened is, now there were people not renewing and you were adding nearly 20,000 extra seats anyway....

so a ton of seats became available for sale to the public.

what happened? Business guys and assholes bought blocks of tickets all over the stadium with the intent to sell for a profit. There are a number of seats in my section where there are visiting fans each week and they get them from stub hub or ebay all the time, if not the ticket exchange.

So now you have a good portion of the seats being sold on the secondary market and the people who will pay the premium are the out of town or in town I guess fans of visiting teams. They dont mind paying 250 a seat for a 99 dollar ticket because its the only game they are going to. Bears fans sitting in my section told me they paid 250 for there seats and bought the 6 that are always available in that row....SO the dick that owns those seats made 150 x 6 = 900 bucks. Thats 900 dollars for what cost that person 594.

so, when the bears fans who just dropped 1500 bucks between them come to the stadium they are going to get there money's worth and be rowdy. When they get rowdy the cowboys fans start yelling over them to shut up etc...and then there is all this noise...

it absolutely sucks but this is what has happened. Those of us who actually attend the games and are there supporting the team get called Front running losers by brad sham.

It sucks. On top of all that, a lot of the fans in the stadium are women, and that is not a bad thing its just that most of them when you look around are more concerned with eating and driking while they are in there.

its a bad mix. When cowboys fans buy those tickets from these assholes for games like the giants, eagles, redskins the crowd is good and the stadium gets loud...... but really those are the only games at this point.

I dont know why a guy like Todd Archer does not sit down and write a big article on this pointing it out. Instead he just says the cowboys fans all suck and brad sham calls people like me front running losers.

If anyone cares I am going to buy the name for my blog tonight or tomorrow and start building that thing...Hopefully I can write a clear and concise break down of what happens out there from week to week.

 

[ZeroClub]

You have a great point, Theebs.

Tweet it, blog it, and/or call it in to sports radio shows. Get the media's attention.

If you couched it as a Jerry-bash, do you think it'd get more traction?

 

[bbgun]

The new Yankee Stadium has the same problem: too many on-site distractions/temptations besides sitting in your seat and rooting for your favorite team.

 

[UVAwahoos]

You have a great point, Theebs.

Tweet it, blog it, and/or call it in to sports radio shows. Get the media's attention.

If you couched it as a Jerry-bash, do you think it'd get more traction?

lol it's not earth-shattering news.

Every new stadium has priced out many old-school fans and led to the same situation. It's worse in Dallas because the stadium is so big that it cannot possibly sustain the type of local following needed to keep visiting fans out. The only way would be if the team were consistently winning and generating a buzz.

 

[ZeroClub]

lol it's not earth-shattering news.

Every new stadium has priced out many old-school fans and led to the same situation. It's worse in Dallas because the stadium is so big that it cannot possibly sustain the type of local following needed to keep visiting fans out. The only way would be if the team were consistently winning and generating a buzz.

Sounds like DFW media are blaming local fans. Apparently they (the local media) haven't figured out what you, Theebs, bb, etc. already know.

 

[Hoofbite]

Brad sham, babe laufenberg, todd archer, the ticket, espn 1033 and the fan keep bagging on the fans.

and well deserved, but why doesnt anyone tell the real story?

The real story is that when the tickets went on sale in 09 a lot of people were priced out of renewing there seats at the new stadium. They simply couldnt go from 57 to 99 like I did, or 125 to 350 with a huge psl which is what it costs between the 10's. That is most of the stadium.

So what happened is, now there were people not renewing and you were adding nearly 20,000 extra seats anyway....

so a ton of seats became available for sale to the public.

what happened? Business guys and assholes bought blocks of tickets all over the stadium with the intent to sell for a profit. There are a number of seats in my section where there are visiting fans each week and they get them from stub hub or ebay all the time, if not the ticket exchange.

So now you have a good portion of the seats being sold on the secondary market and the people who will pay the premium are the out of town or in town I guess fans of visiting teams. They dont mind paying 250 a seat for a 99 dollar ticket because its the only game they are going to. Bears fans sitting in my section told me they paid 250 for there seats and bought the 6 that are always available in that row....SO the dick that owns those seats made 150 x 6 = 900 bucks. Thats 900 dollars for what cost that person 594.

so, when the bears fans who just dropped 1500 bucks between them come to the stadium they are going to get there money's worth and be rowdy. When they get rowdy the cowboys fans start yelling over them to shut up etc...and then there is all this noise...

it absolutely sucks but this is what has happened. Those of us who actually attend the games and are there supporting the team get called Front running losers by brad sham.

It sucks. On top of all that, a lot of the fans in the stadium are women, and that is not a bad thing its just that most of them when you look around are more concerned with eating and driking while they are in there.

its a bad mix. When cowboys fans buy those tickets from these assholes for games like the giants, eagles, redskins the crowd is good and the stadium gets loud...... but really those are the only games at this point.

I dont know why a guy like Todd Archer does not sit down and write a big article on this pointing it out. Instead he just says the cowboys fans all suck and brad sham calls people like me front running losers.

If anyone cares I am going to buy the name for my blog tonight or tomorrow and start building that thing...Hopefully I can write a clear and concise break down of what happens out there from week to week.

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[UVAwahoos]

Sounds like DFW media are blaming local fans. Apparently they (the local media) haven't figured out what you, Theebs, bb, etc. already know.

Well--it's a local problem--just for every city. The Colts used to have such a strong home field at the RCA Dome that opponents were claiming they piped in crowd noise. That's not a problem at all anymore. The new stadium in Indy priced out all those diehard, loud fans and now it's just a cesspool for oil execs to quietly discuss the market over crumpets on Sundays.

Cowboys fans in general are just lame, so I don't think the issue here is similar. Revisionists want to rewrite Texas Stadium as some historically loud abode for only the most raucous 63k fans on Earth. Hell no. That stadium also had the same prissy little polite Dallas locals. Sure, it might have gotten loud for a select few big games (or big plays during a game), but what stadium doesn't?

Simmons wrote a great article on this subject a few years ago. Here's are a couple excerpts:

Suddenly, it was harder to get there and harder to park. Many die-hards were nudged to the third level of the stadium, with their noise drifting toward the sky instead of the field. The lower seats and suites were dominated by some die-hards and an inordinate amount of laid-back, well-connected fans who weren't exactly painting their faces before games.

Team Buggy now tailgates on the other side of Route 1 for $50, crammed between a zillion other cars in a miasma of charcoal fumes. It takes them 35-40 minutes to walk from this space and find their seats inside. It takes them another 90 minutes to get home because common fans can't use the special access road for high rollers. Suddenly, it's an 11-hour commitment -- and a relatively expensive one -- to hang out and support their favorite team in an increasingly somber stadium.

"We used to stand for every big down and every big drive," Bug says wistfully. "Now people yell at us to sit down. The old stadium was a dump, but we felt like we were at a football game, you know? Now we're at ... I don't know. The fans don't affect the game anymore. It's really sad. Grover calls it the wine-and-cheese crowd. We've become the fans we always made fun of."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/partone/081121

 

[ZeroClub]

Right. The home field advantage at Texas Stadium wasn't pronounced. But things are even worse (and significantly so) at the Jerry's new palace.