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Yeah, I admit I followed this draft less than any in probably 20 years, but I liked Gallman at Clemson. I know he's not a special athlete and will never be a Zeke Elliott, but I liked the way he ran. Seemed like he brought a lot of toughness to that offense.
Also thought Engram looked great in his highlights. Just don't know how they plan to get him the ball very much with all the options they have plus the fact that he's not big enough to block.
Also thought Engram looked great in his highlights. Just don't know how they plan to get him the ball very much with all the options they have plus the fact that he's not big enough to block.
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I don't doubt that Engram will be a good player. I just think in the long run they might have been better off going OL with that first pick. That's just my opinion though and why I would rate their draft 4th best of the teams in the NFC East. That doesn't mean I hated their draft though. I actually think all of the teams in the NFC East had really good drafts.
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It was by pretty much all accounts a terrible draft for OL. I don't think I would have liked their draft better if they got an OL instead of Engram. I do think we had a good draft... Just don't think it's as strong as others. I thought the Eagles and Redskins drafts were better by quite a bit. Giants is debatable, I agree.
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I said the exact same thing when the Cowboys drafted Travis Fredrick. 3 Pro Bowls later (with 2 all pro season) it was clearly the best pick they could have possibly made.
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Totally disagree on the Eagles.
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Expect to see a lot of bubble screens with Switzer. Reason we don't do it much with Beasley is that he's not the best after the catch. Switzer on the otherhand is a former RB and is much faster.
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To me Switzer looks like a chain mover and play maker. Has that water bug run after catch ability. I have a feeling we end up very happy with this pick.
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I think Allen dropped to the 4skins more because of his back than his shoulder. I wonder about him going forward. It almost seems like Alabama plays peak more often in college. The one I'd really like to have right now from Alabama is Amare Cooper.
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Noah Brown loves to mix it up in the running game. Got to love that. I know the Cowboys value that in their receivers.
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Once Marinelli teaches Charlton about snap anticipation; he's going to be a good one.
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Then there's the case of Chidobe Awuzie falling deep into the second round.
For what it's worth, I'm told lack of height (Awuzie was barely under the magic 6-foot barrier after measuring 5117 at the combine) as well as arm length precipitated his fall. Awuzie's arms measured 30 5/8 inches; the only combine cornerback drafted with shorter arms was Cameron Sutton at 30 inches.
2017 NFL Draft: End Notes | Draft Analyst
For what it's worth, I'm told lack of height (Awuzie was barely under the magic 6-foot barrier after measuring 5117 at the combine) as well as arm length precipitated his fall. Awuzie's arms measured 30 5/8 inches; the only combine cornerback drafted with shorter arms was Cameron Sutton at 30 inches.
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Taco Charlton can keep blockers at an arm's length
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FRISCO, Texas -- The arms, that's what Will McClay noticed first with Taco Charlton.
They were loooong.
Picture an older brother putting his hands on his younger brother's head and the younger brother just spinning his wheels because he could not get close enough to generate any power to break through. That's what Charlton would do to offensive linemen.
He would get to their chest before they could get to his. His 34¼ inch-long arms served as extra protection on the way to the running back or quarterback.
Among the top pass-rushers available in the recent draft, only Myles Garrett, the No. 1 overall pick, had longer arms at 35¼ inches.
A player's tape matters most to the Dallas Cowboys, but there are measurables that matter. For linemen, arm length means a lot. Speed matters too, but arm length can mitigate a lack of speed.
Some analysts said Charlton was not a fit in Rod Marinelli's scheme because he lacks speed. Charlton ran a 4.83 40 at his pro day, which would not qualify as fast considering some of the other rushers. UCLA's Takkarist McKinley ran a 4.59 40. T.J. Watt ran a 4.67 40.
But McKinley is 2 inches shorter than the 6-foot-5 Charlton; Watt 1. McKinley weighs 250 pounds, 27 pounds lighter than Charlton; Watt weighs 252. Had McKinley been available when the Cowboys picked at No. 28 overall, there would have been a solid debate in the draft room. Watt was available but the Cowboys had already decided he was more of a projection as a right defensive end in their system.
"He's got extension," said McClay, the Cowboys senior director of college and pro personnel. "The 40 is one thing, but what's his get off? How quickly does he get from 0 to 10. That's a big thing for us. He had tackles for loss. He always produced sacks even if he wasn't a full-time starter. He shows the ability to get past the tackle with athletic ability and length. You have a guy that runs a 4.5 and has 31-inch arms, he's going to encounter offensive tackles with 34-inch arms. The speed won't matter. [Charlton] has the speed and he can match up with guys physically. He plays faster than that time."
Most rookie pass-rushers come into the NFL with one go-to pass-rush move, usually focusing on their speed. Charlton has had to develop multiple moves for the multiple roles he played along the Michigan defensive line.
He has the long-arm move, a speed rush, a power move, a spin. But the long arm is the go-to
"You see that a lot, a signature move of his is using that long arm of his as a right defensive end and as a left defensive end. When you have that, it's kind of your fastball," coach Jason Garrett said. "Other things come off of that; going up and around the tackle to rush the quarterback, going back inside using the spin move. A lot of things you can counter off of that. Because he has that length and he knows how to use it. There are lot of guys who are long, but they don't know how to use it. You never see it on tape. You see it on tape with this guy."
The Cowboys have not used a first-round pick on a pass-rusher since Anthony Spencer in 2007. They have put second-round resources into the spot with DeMarcus Lawrence (2014) and Randy Gregory (2015). Lawrence had an eight-sack season in 2015 but had just one last year because of suspension and injury. Gregory is suspended for the season.
Some see Charlton as similar model to what they already have on the roster.
"I think he's a little bit different because of his athleticism and length," McClay said. "He's bigger and longer than D-Lawrence. He's a former basketball player. You watch him spin move, one arm. You see some different things from him and also that adds value to the other guys. If a team has to worry who's at right end or who's playing left end or matchups or subbing [inside] and out -- athlete guys. It's a valuable piece for a defense."
The defensive ends most often mentioned as Marinelli guys are Simeon Rice and Julius Peppers. Rice was more the speed rusher. Peppers had the blend of speed and length. Charlton has found himself watching Peppers more and is excited to be able to work with Marinelli.
"I think I can really be a dominant player," Charlton said. "If you watch a lot of the big games, I was able to take over those games and make big plays and be an impact player. And I think I can do that in Dallas."
Todd Archer
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FRISCO, Texas -- The arms, that's what Will McClay noticed first with Taco Charlton.
They were loooong.
Picture an older brother putting his hands on his younger brother's head and the younger brother just spinning his wheels because he could not get close enough to generate any power to break through. That's what Charlton would do to offensive linemen.
He would get to their chest before they could get to his. His 34¼ inch-long arms served as extra protection on the way to the running back or quarterback.
Among the top pass-rushers available in the recent draft, only Myles Garrett, the No. 1 overall pick, had longer arms at 35¼ inches.
A player's tape matters most to the Dallas Cowboys, but there are measurables that matter. For linemen, arm length means a lot. Speed matters too, but arm length can mitigate a lack of speed.
Some analysts said Charlton was not a fit in Rod Marinelli's scheme because he lacks speed. Charlton ran a 4.83 40 at his pro day, which would not qualify as fast considering some of the other rushers. UCLA's Takkarist McKinley ran a 4.59 40. T.J. Watt ran a 4.67 40.
But McKinley is 2 inches shorter than the 6-foot-5 Charlton; Watt 1. McKinley weighs 250 pounds, 27 pounds lighter than Charlton; Watt weighs 252. Had McKinley been available when the Cowboys picked at No. 28 overall, there would have been a solid debate in the draft room. Watt was available but the Cowboys had already decided he was more of a projection as a right defensive end in their system.
"He's got extension," said McClay, the Cowboys senior director of college and pro personnel. "The 40 is one thing, but what's his get off? How quickly does he get from 0 to 10. That's a big thing for us. He had tackles for loss. He always produced sacks even if he wasn't a full-time starter. He shows the ability to get past the tackle with athletic ability and length. You have a guy that runs a 4.5 and has 31-inch arms, he's going to encounter offensive tackles with 34-inch arms. The speed won't matter. [Charlton] has the speed and he can match up with guys physically. He plays faster than that time."
Most rookie pass-rushers come into the NFL with one go-to pass-rush move, usually focusing on their speed. Charlton has had to develop multiple moves for the multiple roles he played along the Michigan defensive line.
He has the long-arm move, a speed rush, a power move, a spin. But the long arm is the go-to
"You see that a lot, a signature move of his is using that long arm of his as a right defensive end and as a left defensive end. When you have that, it's kind of your fastball," coach Jason Garrett said. "Other things come off of that; going up and around the tackle to rush the quarterback, going back inside using the spin move. A lot of things you can counter off of that. Because he has that length and he knows how to use it. There are lot of guys who are long, but they don't know how to use it. You never see it on tape. You see it on tape with this guy."
The Cowboys have not used a first-round pick on a pass-rusher since Anthony Spencer in 2007. They have put second-round resources into the spot with DeMarcus Lawrence (2014) and Randy Gregory (2015). Lawrence had an eight-sack season in 2015 but had just one last year because of suspension and injury. Gregory is suspended for the season.
Some see Charlton as similar model to what they already have on the roster.
"I think he's a little bit different because of his athleticism and length," McClay said. "He's bigger and longer than D-Lawrence. He's a former basketball player. You watch him spin move, one arm. You see some different things from him and also that adds value to the other guys. If a team has to worry who's at right end or who's playing left end or matchups or subbing [inside] and out -- athlete guys. It's a valuable piece for a defense."
The defensive ends most often mentioned as Marinelli guys are Simeon Rice and Julius Peppers. Rice was more the speed rusher. Peppers had the blend of speed and length. Charlton has found himself watching Peppers more and is excited to be able to work with Marinelli.
"I think I can really be a dominant player," Charlton said. "If you watch a lot of the big games, I was able to take over those games and make big plays and be an impact player. And I think I can do that in Dallas."
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Sources say the reason why Kaaya slid was a combination of bad tape and questions about his personal makeup. Teams felt that Kaaya's junior year tape was very shaky, and as a result, he was graded in Day 3 for many. Kaaya demonstrated poor vision and mobility, which led to a lot of taken sacks. Teams also felt that Kaaya lacked leadership skills, and all teams want leaders at quarterback. Sources didn't like that Kaaya was very focused on his draft standing last fall rather than being focused on winning the next game for his team. All of those factors combined to Kaaya being a late sixth-round pick.
WalterFootball.com: Why the Slide?: Brad Kaaya
WalterFootball.com: Why the Slide?: Brad Kaaya