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Newton, Gogoan, Gesek, Tuinei- yep...absolutely they were over achievers Allen and Big E were outstandng physical talents, how you could dispute that is pretty much beyond rationale. They had power and movement ability that few in the game could match. Stepnoski was HIGHLY rated as a technician...

right now, who at DE is providing any sort of real pass rush threat....thanks Thats not what the coaches were saying Huh? Everybody knew who this kid was. Some even said he might sneak into the first round. Not sure why you think he came out of nowhere. OK

dude...just stop

He isnt right out of college anymore

Just because they were no names to you, doesnt mean they were no names to scouts. Williams was an elite physical talent as well as Allen, the only reason they went in the 3rd and 2nd rounds was due to the school they went to. Stepnoksi was a highly regarded C/G prospect from Pitt, which at the...

I think the fact he struggled with the protections and didnt really do much on ST hurts him, perhaps thats stuff he is picking up on now.

Linehan was just quoted the past week or so in a couple of articles as saying Garrett told him that was what they wanted going forward (when he was hired)

He's not on the active roster right now. He wasnt in TC very long, but I dont recall anyone saying he was abused...in fact it was rather the opposite, that he looked alot better overall and against the run than they expected, and thought he'd probably win the starting RDE job.

No way I'd trade anything except a very late rd pick or conditional pick for Ingram...Randle and Dunbar are doing a good job, and we still have Ryan Williams on the PS

They were extremely well coached. Tony Wise and then Hudson Houck were elite OL coaches and got a ton out of those guys. The other thing with them is the RB and QB were both exceptional and were never given the credit they deserved for helping the OL look good. That said, Stepnoski, Erik...

Are Leary and Fred better now or are they same as last yr as first yr starters? Come on dude, I know you arnt this weak.

WTF? You drinking this morning? Dude, there is a MASSIVE difference between Martin and Bernadeau. There's also a significant difference between a rookie starting C and a guy who had an another offseason and TC in the same system starting the next year. Leary was also a first yr starter last yr...

Agree with most of this, but to me its still comical to read things like the bolded because the vast majority of people said adding Linehan would make the pass heavy playcalling WORSE, not better. (For the record, I was not one of those however)

League office loving them some Payton Manning

we know

ok who's the fucking troll that bet on the Redstinks

No

I didn't vote

Looking around for safety help wouldn't be a bad idea either, especially if its somebody that can cover a lot of ground and make plays on the ball

Teams like the Jets, Raiders, Vikings, Bucs, Titans and Falcons will all probably be called about some of their guys. Tampa wants to keep him bad, but Gerald McCoy would look awfully nice with a Star on his helmet. I would think about offering a late rd pick for Quinten Coples from the Jets...